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Fist of all, I know 300 was written before Bush became president.  It’s the use of the film and the highlighting of specific ideas here and now that makes this film a very intentional work of propaganda. 300 is about as rightwing as it gets so it doesn't come as any kind of shock to see rightwing ideas of the past, being the same notions and ideas we're fighting today. 

The film promotes eugenics, the one flawed baby that survived do to the weakness of his patents went on to be the downfall of the whole.  As much as he wanted to be worthy, he could not.  As Leonidas points out, he would be the weak link that destroys the whole, they fight as a single impenetrable unit.  “a single week spot and the phalanx shatters” “Only the hard and strong may call themselves Spartans, only the hard and strong,”

The film reads like a neocon phrasebook.
“never retreat, never surrender.”
“freedom isn‘t free, it comes with the highest costs, the costs of blood”
“For Freedom to the Death”
“Spartans never retreat, Spartans never surrender”
“No retreat, no surrender, THAT, is Spartan law and by Spartan law we will fight and die”

Much of the film plays like a  recruitment TV advertisement for the military:
“We march for our lands, for our families”
“for honor, for duty, for glory sake, we march”



Diseased old mystics, remnants of a senseless tradition. Tradition that even Lionidas cannot defy He must respect the law that is this tradition.  No Sparta is above the law.  But the tradition is corrupt, sold out to Xerxes and the politicians are sold out to the enemy and only loyal to gain played through politics, they do not represent the people and it is in fact the queen who claims to represent the unheard voices of the military families, a false claim made by King George and his neocons supporters…  neocons also constantly accuse dems of the same betrayals.
“Then what must a king do when the very laws he is sworn to protect force him to do nothing” “It is not a question of what a Spartan citizen should do… instead ask yourself, what should a FREE man do?”  Answer: GO AROUND THE LAW,  and that’s what Lionidas does and that’s what Bush has done.
Justification for Bush’s behavior from beginning to end… I’m sure this movie will be good for a 10 point jump in his approval ratings. 

The movie is openly anti-gay  making several anti-gay statements.  Xerxes is depicted as an androgynous figure… which is strange to see anti-gay Spartans since so many historians say Spartan warriors practiced homosexuality and strange marriage practices that reflected homosexual preferences.

The film is racist:
There has been an attempt by the right to associate African people with Persians… I can only fathom the extremist minds that do this are so bigoted that they see the perfect villainization of a character is to make them black.  Several if not most Persians in the film appear as black and all appear very dark skinned, while the Spartans are all light skinned.   This is not a true reflection of the Persians, the fact is they have closer racial ties to whites than blacks.    It could be argued that there would have been some blacks with such an expansive empire the Persians in 300 looked like they marched out of Africa through Egypt.
Persians http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/135305318/

“I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many people
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
'Aryan', from the Aryan race”

Captain: “I have filled my heart with hate”
Leonidas: “Good”

Good is White, Evil is Black... Xerxes is surrounded by evil imagery, a baphomet like figure plays flute.  Xerxes is kind and repeats he is kind and will allow all the pleasures denied by the conservative greek culture and gods. (effort to depict aspects of Xerxes as liberal and liberal as evil)

Again, there is a complete villianization of the people’s representatives who are in league with the enemy and traitors to the homeland, even going as far as raping the queen and using the situation for personal gain.  The politicians are complete nimrods incapable of seeing the danger until the enemy is revealed splayed out on the floor of the Council or rather there is no political motive for them until they are forced.  The film portrays the politicians as evil as the enemy.

(Neocon style Support the Troops speech and do so with blind faith)The Queen is not at the council to represent the king, she’s there to represent all the people who cannot be heard.  One would think the representatives at the council are there for that too.  Send the army to defend Liberty, Justice, Law and Order, for reason but most importantly for hope. Hope for the truth and that the actions of the council will reflect their bravery.  Basically a support the troops speech, she is there for the 300 families on the front lines fighting that cannot be heard.

We rescue a world from mysticism and tyranny? :-\




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I thought the movie was great

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I thought the movie was great
I confess, I loved the movie...  I cannot help but admire propaganda well done and this is the finest only rivaled by Silence of the Lambs IMO.  By all means in the current political climate this work should have been barfed on...  But works brilliantly in its task.  It's a fine work, entertaining visuals, enthralling action, good acting, drama all leaving you with a strong sense of duty to the motherland.  Well done, there is zero doubt of that.  I loved it and had I not seen it for precisely what it is, would have held it in high esteem right next to my copy of Braveheart.

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oh oh oh, wait, this isn't right.... If I'm going to dog a movie for it's flaws and it has pluses, I should point them out too.  The movie is extremely positive toward women portraying the Spartan Women as being equal on many levels which to my understanding is one of the rare truths to the movie--well done...

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Fist of all, I know 300 was written before Bush became president.  It’s the use of the film and the highlighting of specific ideas here and now that makes this film a very intentional work of propaganda. 300 is about as rightwing as it gets so it doesn't come as any kind of shock to see rightwing ideas of the past, being the same notions and ideas we're fighting today. 

The film promotes eugenics, the one flawed baby that survived do to the weakness of his patents went on to be the downfall of the whole.  As much as he wanted to be worthy, he could not.  As Leonidas points out, he would be the weak link that destroys the whole, they fight as a single impenetrable unit.  “a single week spot and the phalanx shatters” “Only the hard and strong may call themselves Spartans, only the hard and strong,”

The film reads like a neocon phrasebook.
“never retreat, never surrender.”
“freedom isn‘t free, it comes with the highest costs, the costs of blood”
“For Freedom to the Death”
“Spartans never retreat, Spartans never surrender”
“No retreat, no surrender, THAT, is Spartan law and by Spartan law we will fight and die”

Much of the film plays like a  recruitment TV advertisement for the military:
“We march for our lands, for our families”
“for honor, for duty, for glory sake, we march”



Diseased old mystics, remnants of a senseless tradition. Tradition that even Lionidas cannot defy He must respect the law that is this tradition.  No Sparta is above the law.  But the tradition is corrupt, sold out to Xerxes and the politicians are sold out to the enemy and only loyal to gain played through politics, they do not represent the people and it is in fact the queen who claims to represent the unheard voices of the military families, a false claim made by King George and his neocons supporters…  neocons also constantly accuse dems of the same betrayals.
“Then what must a king do when the very laws he is sworn to protect force him to do nothing” “It is not a question of what a Spartan citizen should do… instead ask yourself, what should a FREE man do?”  Answer: GO AROUND THE LAW,  and that’s what Lionidas does and that’s what Bush has done.
Justification for Bush’s behavior from beginning to end… I’m sure this movie will be good for a 10 point jump in his approval ratings. 

The movie is openly anti-gay  making several anti-gay statements.  Xerxes is depicted as an androgynous figure… which is strange to see anti-gay Spartans since so many historians say Spartan warriors practiced homosexuality and strange marriage practices that reflected homosexual preferences.

The film is racist:
There has been an attempt by the right to associate African people with Persians… I can only fathom the extremist minds that do this are so bigoted that they see the perfect villainization of a character is to make them black.  Several if not most Persians in the film appear as black and all appear very dark skinned, while the Spartans are all light skinned.   This is not a true reflection of the Persians, the fact is they have closer racial ties to whites than blacks.    It could be argued that there would have been some blacks with such an expansive empire the Persians in 300 looked like they marched out of Africa through Egypt.
Persians http://www.flickr.com/photos/20363431@N00/135305318/

“I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many people
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
'Aryan', from the Aryan race”

Captain: “I have filled my heart with hate”
Leonidas: “Good”

Good is White, Evil is Black... Xerxes is surrounded by evil imagery, a baphomet like figure plays flute.  Xerxes is kind and repeats he is kind and will allow all the pleasures denied by the conservative greek culture and gods. (effort to depict aspects of Xerxes as liberal and liberal as evil)

Again, there is a complete villianization of the people’s representatives who are in league with the enemy and traitors to the homeland, even going as far as raping the queen and using the situation for personal gain.  The politicians are complete nimrods incapable of seeing the danger until the enemy is revealed splayed out on the floor of the Council or rather there is no political motive for them until they are forced.  The film portrays the politicians as evil as the enemy.

(Neocon style Support the Troops speech and do so with blind faith)The Queen is not at the council to represent the king, she’s there to represent all the people who cannot be heard.  One would think the representatives at the council are there for that too.  Send the army to defend Liberty, Justice, Law and Order, for reason but most importantly for hope. Hope for the truth and that the actions of the council will reflect their bravery.  Basically a support the troops speech, she is there for the 300 families on the front lines fighting that cannot be heard.

We rescue a world from mysticism and tyranny? :-\





Somebody is reading way too much into a mediocre movie. ::)
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why?

Womens rights, slavery, sharia law?

Of course liberal apologist accept such disgraceful characteristics as "culture".
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Somebody is reading way too much into a mediocre movie. ::)
Somebody is reading way to less into Holywood motivations/ambitions.  Nothing new here pal... Listen up devil dog, I've been following holywood filmmaking and what producers/directors attempt to subversively instill in their audiences for quite some time.  It's nothing new...  Directors long to have the kind of effect that Kubrick admittedly attempted on audiences, these directors are known for their subliminal messaging.  every last thing right down to the most minute background are intentional and have an intended purpose.  That's a fact jack :D  Dare me to prove it ;)

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Oh also, it may be medocre by your standards, but it's rented out for over a week straight two rows long... that's propaganda getting out to the masses period...

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Somebody is reading way to less into Holywood motivations/ambitions.  Nothing new here pal... Listen up devil dog, I've been following holywood filmmaking and what producers/directors attempt to subversively instill in their audiences for quite some time.  It's nothing new...  Directors long to have the kind of effect that Kubrick admittedly attempted on audiences, these directors are known for their subliminal messaging.  every last thing right down to the most minute background are intentional and have an intended purpose.  That's a fact jack :D  Dare me to prove it ;)

Hey you may be right. All I saw was a decent, very over the top sword and sandal epic. :)
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I confess, I loved the movie...  I cannot help but admire propaganda well done and this is the finest only rivaled by Silence of the Lambs IMO.  By all means in the current political climate this work should have been barfed on...  But works brilliantly in its task.  It's a fine work, entertaining visuals, enthralling action, good acting, drama all leaving you with a strong sense of duty to the motherland.  Well done, there is zero doubt of that.  I loved it and had I not seen it for precisely what it is, would have held it in high esteem right next to my copy of Braveheart.

I thought it was lame as hell.

Boring shit, simply put fcuking dull.

The movie had no brains, and had a lame ass feeling as far as the machisimo goes.

A good example for a fighting movie would be Gladiator.

This was just crap. An insult to anyone watching it.
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I thought the movie was about as stupid as it gets.

It was a over-board dramatic C-G-I orgy.

The only thing they got right was that Spartans were involved in the battle.   Other then than the movie was grossly inaccurate.

As for the neo-con fascist undertones......Berserke r you are right on the money.

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I thought it was lame as hell.

Boring shit, simply put fcuking dull.

The movie had no brains, and had a lame ass feeling as far as the machisimo goes.

A good example for a fighting movie would be Gladiator.

This was just crap. An insult to anyone watching it.

Did they CGI on those muscles or did they train and do some roids? I went on Internet Movie Database and every guy who was jacked in the movie now had 12" arms.
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Oh also, it may be medocre by your standards, but it's rented out for over a week straight two rows long... that's propaganda getting out to the masses period...

Come on man. Many of the most rented movies are the worst crap Hollywood has to offer. Rentals hardly equate into substance.
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Hollywood doesn't know shit about history.

King Kamali should have had a role in the movie.  ;D

Along with Getbig's very own Xerxes.


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It was a great movie....fun, light and alot of pretty cool screen deaths. Beyond that....Hollywood does indeed try and influence but there will be an avalanch of anti-war movies coming out soon.
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It was a great movie....fun, light and alot of pretty cool screen deaths. Beyond that....Hollywood does indeed try and influence but there will be an avalanch of anti-war movies coming out soon.
I can list an avalanch of war movies but haven't seen much of anything anti-war.  I can't think of one anti-war movie yet?  Some small documentaries like the Fog of War but nothing big...

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Womens rights, slavery, sharia law?

Of course liberal apologist accept such disgraceful characteristics as "culture".
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Womens rights, slavery, sharia law?

Of course liberal apologist accept such disgraceful characteristics as "culture".

Good one, mate.

Something wrong can never be right.

Not even in Saudi Arabia, Somalia or Venezuela.
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Well, Hedge, John, Nordic, if this is the way you all feel, then you're going to want to see this:

Better look at the Mek, our friends in Iran, treatment of women... It will clearly go from bad, to worse for women if we have our way. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3202405530710426806&q=gunning+for+iran


All Things Considered, January 19, 2004 · Iraqi women activists are outraged over a decision by the U.S.-appointed governing council that cancels what were considered progressive personal-status laws that held sway under the regime of ousted dictator Saddam Hussein. The council has placed "family issues" under the jurisdiction of sharia, or Islamic law. The activists call the move a step backwards. NPR's Anne Garrels reports. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1604991

And in the end, it's up to the people to liberate themselves.  If they can't do that, don't have the will to do that, we're not going to be able to do that for them.  Enough of Team America World Police, NWO garbage...  It's not our business, I think Bush said it best when he said it wasn't our business to run around the world telling people how it should be done, that we would not be nation builders...  Can't fathom that he said that, but he did....

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Well, Hedge, John, Nordic, if this is the way you all feel, then you're going to want to see this:

Better look at the Mek, our friends in Iran, treatment of women... It will clearly go from bad, to worse for women if we have our way. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3202405530710426806&q=gunning+for+iran


All Things Considered, January 19, 2004 · Iraqi women activists are outraged over a decision by the U.S.-appointed governing council that cancels what were considered progressive personal-status laws that held sway under the regime of ousted dictator Saddam Hussein. The council has placed "family issues" under the jurisdiction of sharia, or Islamic law. The activists call the move a step backwards. NPR's Anne Garrels reports. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1604991

And in the end, it's up to the people to liberate themselves.  If they can't do that, don't have the will to do that, we're not going to be able to do that for them.  Enough of Team America World Police, NWO garbage...  It's not our business, I think Bush said it best when he said it wasn't our business to run around the world telling people how it should be done, that we would not be nation builders...  Can't fathom that he said that, but he did....

OK fair enough, leave them to it, kill each other, murder 15 year old girls for having sex or being victims of rape and not having enough men present during the rape to testify.

But, within the nano-second of them stepping of the toes of western civilisation - teach them a lesson they will never forget.
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Well, Hedge, John, Nordic, if this is the way you all feel, then you're going to want to see this:

Better look at the Mek, our friends in Iran, treatment of women... It will clearly go from bad, to worse for women if we have our way. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3202405530710426806&q=gunning+for+iran


All Things Considered, January 19, 2004 · Iraqi women activists are outraged over a decision by the U.S.-appointed governing council that cancels what were considered progressive personal-status laws that held sway under the regime of ousted dictator Saddam Hussein. The council has placed "family issues" under the jurisdiction of sharia, or Islamic law. The activists call the move a step backwards. NPR's Anne Garrels reports. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1604991

And in the end, it's up to the people to liberate themselves.  If they can't do that, don't have the will to do that, we're not going to be able to do that for them.
  Enough of Team America World Police, NWO garbage...  It's not our business, I think Bush said it best when he said it wasn't our business to run around the world telling people how it should be done, that we would not be nation builders...  Can't fathom that he said that, but he did....

Of course.

The situation in Iran is terrible as it is, and could become even worse if radical terrorists were allowed into power.

 But that doesn't change the fact that the current Iran is a teocracy, something that is completely unacceptable.

Iran of today is a place where women don't have equal rights to official positions, and cannot even get around in the same kind of clothes as men.

Simply put: Horrible.


You mention that it's up to the people themselves to liberate.

Horrible.

So it was wrong for the rest of the world to work against the apartheid system in South Africa, it should've been left to the blacks over there?

Bottom line: Iran has little or no democratic traditions, they have very little as far as women's right goes, and the Western World should do anything intellectually possible to support a change to something better, put pressure on Iran and other medieval nations.

Of course, a military intervention is never an option unless there is a Rwanda situation going, ie a genocide or civil war, and then ONLY with a UN mandate (we're civilized, after all).

But I'm a bit surprised to see you give all the responsibility of a change on the oppressed.


I may have interpreted you wrongly though.

And by the way, I don't support the Mek. I only support democracy.
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So it was wrong for the rest of the world to work against the apartheid system in South Africa, it should've been left to the blacks over there?

That's exactly what he believes!

Hey berserker, what you and your KKK buddies upto this weekend lad?
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