Author Topic: Montreal Pro: Milos Sarcev 3 weeks out (Read 126836 times)

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #500 on:** August 25, 2007, 11:12:21 AM »

Quote from: BEAST 8692 on August 25, 2007, 10:54:41 AM

you never did display 'obvious signs of steroid ause (or usage)' apart from extreme muscular development. what's your point?

not everyone shows obvious negative effects (which i assume you are referring to) + there are other remedies for those effects ie zits, water retention, gyno, etc.

no one is going to come along with a testing kit and you know it so don't be silly. to provide for testing all anabolic drugs one would have to have a lot of money (please don't even bother with the natural tets levels crap).

i have no problem at all with your usage of these drugs. everyone uses some type of drugs or another, whether it be alcohol, nicotine, cannabis, stimulants, pain killers, etc, etc, etc. even the food we eat has antibiotics, pestisides, hormones, etc in it.

my issue is the promote insulin with the pitch that this is the only anabolic drug you are using to create the body you have. that is an insult to the very bbers you work with. at least they don't try to deny using steroids, gh, etc. hell you've even nominated them as using them.

i don't know why you lie about these things. is it really necessary to do this to generate business? $:-\$

btw, your wife is a beautiful woman. i'm assuming that she is very patient and tolerant to put up with you.

Interesting my wife is amazed that I do have patience "dealing with kids and idiots on getbig"..but than even she said - some of them are just FUNNY...and I must admit - I do get some good laughs here...

Especially when kids that have no clue try to tell me thing or two...

So, here we are about INSULIN...and statement that - I am not using only insulin - because - I simply MUST USE something else as well...

After all - I am IFBB PRO so in all probability - I am doing what big guys do...?

Hmmmmm?

Fact that I was under 2 years investigation in Federal case - when IF tested positive FOR ANYTHING could and will put me in jail is also not good enough reason to believe that I am at least that smart NOT TO TAKE THE CHANCE....But, off course some of you would still say - whatever...he is doing it for sure...

Are you guys FOR SURE?

Do you want to put money where your mouth is? Really?

It could be arranged VERY EASILY.

Now, did you ever notice my size in last few pics?

Since than I am considerably smaller - but still in shape...as I am doing ONLY WHAT I FIND NECESSARY AT THIS STAGE...as always - I was ONLY USING ANABOLICS WHEN NEEDED...and amounts needed (which is A SMALL FRACTION of what people think...or gh15 reccomands).

I will also challenge gh15 to bring me two identical twin brothers - and he could do whatever he wants with one - but I would train his twin - using only insulin and my methods of training, supplementation and dieting...and I guarantee that my twin will be in every sense physically (off course and mentally - but that's irrelevant in this situation) SUPERIOR...

Now, I am late for legs...got to go...Oooops

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #501 on:** August 25, 2007, 11:13:24 AM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on August 25, 2007, 11:00:38 AM

BUT - I mean to tell you that I am NOT THE ONLY PRO with normal testosterone levels after decades of juicing - I know MANY....and I do mean - MANY.

Well, OK. I guess I'll have to take your word for it. However like you say here in the qfac column I quoted...

Quote

Maaaany bodybuilders have that problem and surely we all know why we have that problem. Our HPTA gets screwed up for some strange, medically unknown reason.

... it's a problem for most and will require quite extensive therapy to restore fully. I don't know if steroid dosage has that much to do with it since even the Olympia cycles you posted will shut you down fully.

A very standard moderate dose cycle can cause recovery problems which can take a couple of years to recover fully from, even if you do clomid etc. That's why you may need the HMG/HCG/Clomid stack you talked about.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #502 on:** August 25, 2007, 11:19:31 AM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on August 25, 2007, 11:12:21 AM

Fact that I was under 2 years investigation in Federal case - when IF tested positive FOR ANYTHING could and will put me in jail is also not good enough reason to believe that I am at least that smart NOT TO TAKE THE CHANCE....But, off course some of you would still say - whatever...he is doing it for sure...

Is this the reason you have held off competing for so long?

Dballn247 · « **Reply #503 on:** August 25, 2007, 11:26:48 AM »

Epic Synthol use.

dearth · « **Reply #504 on:** August 25, 2007, 11:44:03 AM »

It funny how Milos says he is retired, but still uses anabolic steroids.
I guess its for vanity / credibilty as a drug guru.

kyomu · « **Reply #505 on:** August 25, 2007, 11:48:14 AM »

Quote from: Dballn247 on August 25, 2007, 11:26:48 AM

Epic Synthol use.

Which part they use?

Vince G, CSN MFT · « **Reply #506 on:** August 25, 2007, 11:49:08 AM »

Quote from: Dballn247 on August 25, 2007, 07:24:08 AM

Use Humilin R, the Humalog is too long acting. Depending on your BW 5-10 units should be fine. Just remember to take carbs immediately. 5 unit followed by 50 grams of simple carbs (carbo force works great) And don't forget to take creatine. Normally I'd say you wouldn't get to much out of creatine, but Insulin is the vehicle that shuttles the creatine into your muscles.

Just because Ron gave you blue stars doesn't make you an expert. That is the most retarded post ever and you should know better.

Dballn247 · « **Reply #507 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:19:14 PM »

Quote from: kyomu on August 25, 2007, 11:48:14 AM

Which part they use?

Milos' Bicep.

Quote from: Vince G, CSN MFT on August 25, 2007, 11:49:08 AM

Just because Ron gave you blue stars doesn't make you an expert. That is the most retarded post ever and you should know better.

Epic Jealousy Blue Star Jealousy. I never said I was an expert, but Humalog is a quick way to end up in the ER. You've never even take insulin, so do you even have an opinion Mr. CSN MFT GHB AAS?

I knew I'd have to spell it out for a few morons that believe everything that they read. When I said "Use Humilin R, the Humalog is too long acting." it is because if you read some of the studies of the effects of insulin in regular people with normal pancreatic functions it has been shown that it can sustain elavated levels in plasma just as long as Humalin R.

Humalog is supposed to be quick and easier to control around contest time because it is supposed to start working in 10 min and drop off in 1.5 to 2hrs. which would be the case IF YOU HAVE DIABETES!!!!!!!

Actually use the drug and you'll see a difference. You get more of a steady amount with Humalin R. It like comparing suspension to enanthate. Not to mention you only have to take it twice a day as opposed to 3 to 4 times a day. If you want more sides, Humalog is great for growing guts though.

The only way to find out is to try it. It could be replace the Bee Pollen it your supplement regimen.

Bottom line is Humalog can make you very big because your peak subsides quick and you end up shooting it more, causing you to get bigger. In terms that you would understand....It's like Crack vs Cocaine, they both do the same thing but you would have to do more crack that cocaine. Milos is a trainer that get paid to train and supplement these guys. Do you think he would advocate something that would work as good but cut the frequency in half. If I was the ~~dealer~~ trainer I wouldn't mention that part either.

It is no secret that by using Insulin you basically use half the amount of hormones as Steroid only guys. Insulin is a powerful drug and it's like throwing the dice everytime, whether you choose to throw 2 or 4 times a day is up to you. I don't use Insulin at all anymore as diabetes runs in my family.

honest · « **Reply #508 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:37:34 PM »

dball just drop it bro, you are clearly not well read on this subject, theres plenty of us here that are, and your lack of knowledge is noticeable in this area, hence the insulting attacks on the guy when he owns you, just drop it and save some face, he is a pro after all, his knowledge should be greater, attacking him personally after hes just corrected you just makes you look bitter and to keep going after this would make you look dumb and effect your creditability, just let it go, he will keep coming all day and really unless were learning anything new about the subject the shits just getting old.

theworm · « **Reply #509 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:38:24 PM »

what was your stack like back when competing? just curious.

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #510 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:48:35 PM »

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #511 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:49:22 PM »

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #512 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:50:35 PM »

Forgot to mention - 2 weeks out...

The Squadfather · « **Reply #513 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:51:48 PM »

ripped to shreds.

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #514 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:54:03 PM »

Quote from: theworm on August 25, 2007, 03:38:24 PM

what was your stack like back when competing? just curious.

12 weeks (3 X 4 week combos of certain androgens, certain anabolics...certain hormones of choice - never to exceed IN TOTAL what gh15 takes in ONE WEEK)

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #515 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:55:18 PM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on August 25, 2007, 03:51:48 PM

ripped to shreds.

You are too kind - I am far away from shredded...but THANK YOU for noticing...

The Squadfather · « **Reply #516 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:56:53 PM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on August 25, 2007, 03:55:18 PM

You are too kind - I am far away from shredded...but THANK YOU for noticing...

could've fooled me, you look ripped and ready, what do you think you're going to compete at weight wise?

pumpher · « **Reply #517 on:** August 25, 2007, 03:59:51 PM »

You look great Milos

Forgive me if this was answered already, but I thought you had problems with the IFBB big wigs?

What show(s) are you planning on doing?

garraeth · « **Reply #518 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:01:46 PM »

Quote from: Dballn247 on August 25, 2007, 03:19:14 PM

Bottom line is Humalog can make you very big because your peak subsides quick and you end up shooting it more, causing you to get bigger. In terms that you would understand....It's like Crack vs Cocaine, they both do the same thing but you would have to do more crack that cocaine. Milos is a trainer that get paid to train and supplement these guys. Do you think he would advocate something that would work as good but cut the frequency in half. If I was the ~~dealer~~ trainer I wouldn't mention that part either.

not to break in and disrupt all the fun you guys are having, but 'honest' is right, stop while you're ahead...you don't even know how much slin costs. So you've obviously never used it before...or if you have, you got raped and it was your own fault for not doing the research.

There are no slin dealers. ahhahaha! There's mad cash in slin dealing. lol. not.

Take 30 seconds and google slin to see how much it costs...old people on welfare/SSI can afford it...it's otc in some states and canada.

The Squadfather · « **Reply #519 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:02:53 PM »

Quote from: garraeth on August 25, 2007, 04:01:46 PM

not to break in and disrupt all the fun you guys are having, but 'honest' is right, stop while you're ahead...you don't even know how much slin costs. So you've obviously never used it before...or if you have, you got raped and it was your own fault for not doing the research.

There are no slin dealers. ahhahaha! There's mad cash in slin dealing. lol. not.

Take 30 seconds and google slin to see how much it costs...old people on welfare/SSI can afford it...it's otc in some states and canada.

you're right about that, slin is pretty cheap, it's the other shit that costs.

flexingtonsteele · « **Reply #520 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:05:35 PM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on August 25, 2007, 03:50:35 PM

Forgot to mention - 2 weeks out...

Milos wahts up with the gray hairs?

? When I saw you last year at the O in vegas, there wasnt a gray hair in sight!

And oh yea, good lord your in unbelievable conditioning!, ur in better condition now, than some pros are on stage

Quattro · « **Reply #521 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:13:46 PM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on August 25, 2007, 03:50:35 PM

Forgot to mention - 2 weeks out...

''Im Big Your Small''

Milo's where did you get that top from?

Dballn247 · « **Reply #522 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:40:26 PM »

Yeah slin is only 20 bucks at wallgreens. BFD. Of course there is no mad cash to be made. The money is in the steroids and GH. When you trainer is your nutritionist and supplement supplier they are getting the stuff for you. Do you actually think a pro just walks into walgreens and get the stuff themselves? A certain person supplies them with their stuff not just insulin, that is why he charges so much. These guys arent just taking insulin 4 times a day but usually test prop or susp as well as the GH and IGF-1. Since they are all high frequency injectables. That is where the money is.

You seem to be stuck on peak levels, Go download some of the PDF's on Humalog and look at the graphs of the half lives you can see that even Humalog has about the same levels 12 hrs after injection. It can be debated all day, it's like comparing mustangs and camaros. Go to some of the other boards and this is widely debated. Only here at getbig, and almost everyone hangs off of Milos' nuts. Insulin has been around for along time, Milos just seemed to take it to the next level. It is obvious that he know what he is talking about, he has made some smaller guys like hide and silvio get huge, but how many of them don't have big guts now?

Garaeth, have you tried both? If so what did you like better.

Milos still looking great though, better than the guys he trains.

biceps · « **Reply #523 on:** August 25, 2007, 04:44:55 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on August 25, 2007, 11:13:24 AM

Well, OK. I guess I'll have to take your word for it. However like you say here in the qfac column I quoted...... it's a problem for most and will require quite extensive therapy to restore fully. I don't know if steroid dosage has that much to do with it since even the Olympia cycles you posted will shut you down fully.

A very standard moderate dose cycle can cause recovery problems which can take a couple of years to recover fully from, even if you do clomid etc. That's why you may need the HMG/HCG/Clomid stack you talked about.

It took me 2 years with out of taking Clomaid, after reading medical books and consulting a very good MD, I realised that on of the most important think was to lower my cortisol level down as quick is possible after workouts, now my workout are short, intens and heavy I eat a big breakfast 2 1/2 hr before workout, 15 min before workout (yes I take )essential aminos then I take aminos every 30 min during my workout my post workout is double doze of aminos then in about 30 min I have a big healthy lunch with a dietary supplement which helps to lower cortisol and I take a 1 hr siesta.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #524 on:** August 25, 2007, 05:18:48 PM »

Quote from: Dballn247 on August 25, 2007, 04:40:26 PM

You seem to be stuck on peak levels, Go download some of the PDF's on Humalog and look at the graphs of the half lives you can see that even Humalog has about the same levels 12 hrs after injection.

Could you please link to some reference. What do you mean by "same levels 12 hours after injection"? Do you have a reference that shows Humalog to have different kinetics in people without diabetes like you say?

From knowing many guys who have used Humalog it's really only "active" for about 2 hours, for all practical purposes and intents. Yes, the tail is a bit longer (looking at a graph) but if you haven't gone hypo in the first 2 hours and have eaten up to that point you are generally "safe" after 2 hours. This is just what I've seen so don't anyone take this as advice of any kind. Stay away from it.