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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2007, 03:17:06 PM »
well...his career is ruined....so he might as well try to salvage something

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2007, 04:05:15 PM »
he'll go down in history as the single biggest blunder in the league

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2007, 04:13:42 PM »
Moreso than Rae Carruth?

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2007, 04:17:58 PM »
Moreso than Rae Carruth?
nobody knows who that is, so yes. :P
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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2007, 04:20:06 PM »
Moreso than Rae Carruth?

in terms of money squander it's not even close and carruth while a pro bowler did'nt make nearly the impact vick did, vick talentwise was a freak and I seriously doubt we'll see someone with his talent come along for a long long time

with lost endorsments and his contract being null and void now he's probably taking (somewhere in the neighborhood) a 200 million dollar loss here

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2007, 04:21:05 PM »
nobody knows who that is, so yes. :P

I don't even watch football and I know who that is!!

 He shot and killed his pregnant girlfriend, the baby lived, a boy.  Actually he didn't do the actually shooting he hired someone to do it. 

  He was on the Carolina Panthers. 

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2007, 04:22:12 PM »
in terms of money squander it's not even close and carruth while a pro bowler did'nt make nearly the impact vick did, vick talentwise was a freak and I seriously doubt we'll see someone with his talent come along for a long long time

with lost endorsments and his contract being null and void now he's probably taking (somewhere in the neighborhood) a 200 million dollar loss here

True, I was thinking blunder more along the line of stupid things to do. 

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2007, 05:56:14 PM »

I don't even watch football and I know who that is!!

 He shot and killed his pregnant girlfriend, the baby lived, a boy.  Actually he didn't do the actually shooting he hired someone to do it. 

  He was on the Carolina Panthers. 

I'm not particularly a big sports fan...........
a bunch of whiny overpaid........ahem.... ...ghetto types. ;)


but this guy sounds like quite the fucker for having that done to his chick, what kind of life is that baby boy going to have :-\
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2007, 06:04:33 AM »
Did anyone see the Tiki Barber interview last night?  He was saying how what Vick had been doing was a cultural thing in how he was raised that that's just a part of their lives and Tiki seemed more upset that Vick's friends turned against him than he was about Vick's horrific actions.   
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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2007, 07:26:04 AM »
Dog fighting is a black culture thing?   First I have heard of that.   Or was he referring to illegal activity being a black culture thing?   :-\


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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2007, 07:35:13 AM »
Dog fighting is a black culture thing?   First I have heard of that.   Or was he referring to illegal activity being a black culture thing?   :-\



Thats some bullshit that has come from this---they are claiming that dog fighting is a black cultural thing and as a result because its a cultural thing, needs to be looked at as more "allowable".  Its not the persons falt its the culture they are raised in. 

I'm also calling bullshit on all of that crap.   They are making up stupid assed excuses trying to pass the buck. 

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2007, 07:59:10 AM »
Thats some bullshit that has come from this---they are claiming that dog fighting is a black cultural thing and as a result because its a cultural thing, needs to be looked at as more "allowable".  Its not the persons falt its the culture they are raised in. 

I'm also calling bullshit on all of that crap.   They are making up stupid assed excuses trying to pass the buck. 

I would be pretty offended if doing crime was labeled as part of my "culture". 

Talk about holding yourself back. 

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2007, 01:07:47 PM »

I would be pretty offended if doing crime was labeled as part of my "culture". 

 


damned good point

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2007, 12:34:10 PM »
He still faces State charges:

 
Vick May Still Face Charges in Va. Court
By LARRY O'DELL
Associated Press Writer

RICHMOND, Va. — Michael Vick now must wait and worry. Already looking at a possible five years in prison on federal dogfighting charges, the Atlanta Falcons quarterback also could be facing prosecution in Virginia.

Then there is the NFL where commissioner Roger Goodell has yet to determine what punishment Vick will face from the league.

Local prosecutor Gerald Poindexter has said he likely will pursue charges against Vick, who has plummeted from favorite son to a symbol of animal abuse in the four months since authorities raided his Surry County property.

Poindexter did not return messages left by The Associated Press at his office, his cell phone and at his home Tuesday.

Among the state laws Vick could be charged with violating are those against dogfighting and animal cruelty. Both are felonies punishable by up to five years in prison.

"The real question is how much overlap there would be between anything the local prosecutor would charge and what the federal prosecutors charged," said Linda Malone, a criminal procedure expert and Marshall-Wythe Foundation professor of law at the College of William and Mary. "There are some limitations on duplication."

Vick said through a lawyer Monday that he will plead guilty to a federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture. Malone said the state dogfighting charges probably would not be considered duplicative.

"The essence of the conspiracy charge is the agreement" between Vick and his coconspirators, Malone said.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge and said Vick provided virtually all the gambling and operating funds for the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting enterprise. Two of them also said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming dogs, raising the possibility of the animal cruelty charges.

Convictions on eight animal cruelty counts could result in up to 40 years in prison if five-year terms for each count was imposed to run consecutively, but that's seldom done. Each dogfighting count could run the sentence even higher.

Vick also was facing the possibility of additional federal charges from a new grand jury meeting this week in Richmond, but his deal with prosecutors means that's now highly unlikely.

The 27-year-old player will enter his plea agreement Monday. A government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the terms are not final, told The Associated Press prosecutors will recommend a sentence of one year to 18 months. However, U.S. District Judge Henry Hudson is not bound by that recommendation or by federal sentencing guidelines that will call for less than the five-year maximum.

James D. "Butch" Williams Jr., one of Vick's five defense attorneys, said his client is fully aware he could be facing a long stretch in prison.

"Michael's been fully apprised of all angles, all aspects," Williams said.

It's still unclear whether all this will end the career of one of the NFL's most dazzling players.

The league is waiting for a report by its own observers, a group headed by Eric Holder, a former deputy U.S. attorney general.

"The commissioner has not decided on a specific timetable on Michael Vick's status," league spokesman Greg Aiello said Tuesday.

Vick has been barred from training camp by the NFL, and Goodell has asked the Falcons not to take any action until the league rules.

Goodell can suspend Vick under the NFL's personal conduct policy. While the league hasn't said whether a potential suspension would be concurrent with Vick's prison sentence, it probably would take effect once he is released from custody.

That means Vick likely would miss both the 2007 and 2008 seasons.

The Falcons in 2004 signed Vick to a 10-year, $130 million contract, at the time, one of the largest in NFL history. The bonus and guaranteed money he received in his contract totaled $44 million, and the team might try to reclaim part of that.

Vick has also lost lucrative contracts with sponsors. Rawlings, Nike, Reebok and Upper Deck are among the companies that have either ended contracts with him or stopped sales of his merchandise.


 
 

 

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2007, 01:46:50 PM »
sounds like double jeopardy to me

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2007, 02:34:13 PM »
anyone know the state/fed charges deal?

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Re: Vick to plead guilty
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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2007, 09:22:09 PM »
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7144402?MSNHPHCP&GT1=10347
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Embattled Atlanta Falcon Michael Vick has a friend — and fellow doggie disrespecter — in Stephon Marbury.

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"I think we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals," the Knick point guard told Capital News 9, an Albany TV station. "You know, from what I understand, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors.

"I think it's tough that we build up Michael Vick and then we break him down."

Vick agreed last week to plead guilty to federal dogfighting and conspiracy charges.

Some of Vick's teammates shared Marbury's support.
   
"Mike is very human," Alge Crumpler, who who came into the NFL at the same time as Vick, said. "I think this whole ordeal has kind of dehumanized him for the last couple of months. But he's hurting. I do know that. That's a fact. He is hurting."

Others disagreed.

"He's not on the team," running back Warrick Dunn said. "That pretty much makes him an ex-teammate."

Vick is likely to be sentenced to at least a year in prison — and perhaps longer — after he enters his guilty plea next week. He also faces certain punishment from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell under a tougher personal conduct policy that went into effect this year. Vick is expected to miss at least two seasons before he can even think about a comeback.

Coach Bobby Petrino addressed the situation with his players, gauging their feelings and trying to get a handle on how they wanted to express it.

Some wanted to talk. Some didn't.

The Falcons won't be making an immediate decision on Vick's future, having been asked by the NFL to hold off until the league gets a report from its own investigator.

That hasn't stopped some players from trying to reach out to Vick, offering support as he faces the possibility of a lengthy prison term. Crumpler and offensive tackle Wayne Gandy have both been sending frequent text messages, trying to let the quarterback know that he's not alone.

"It's kind of hard," offensive tackle Wayne Gandy conceded. "You don't really know what to say."

"I try to send him a positive note every day," Crumpler added. "I want to make sure he keeps his head up."   
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Re: Vick to plead guilty
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2007, 03:58:19 AM »
http://www.prdifferently.com/2007/07/an-open-letter-.html


 07/30/07
An Open letter to Michael Vick

Dear Mr. Vick:

It would have been very simple to write a brief mention of you, noting that I hope you get the book thrown at you, hoping you get abused and beaten in prison, tortured and eventually left to die just like the animals on whom you wagered… But what would that accomplish?

Rather, I write this, not so much that I hope you’ll read it, but rather, on the chance that millions of other people will see it, and feel the anger, the absolute rage, the disgust that I share the same title as “human being” with something as foul as yourself.

I write this because you’ve failed, Mr. Vick.

You've failed as a person.

You’ve failed as an example to children and adults the world over.

You’ve failed as a sportsman.

You’ve failed as a human being.

You had everything. You had “the life.” You had “the image.” You had the endorsements, you had the backing of the fans. You literally had the world at your feet. You had the gift of being one of the most talented athletes in the world, good enough to earn a $100 million dollar contract with the Atlanta Falcons. You had “Star Quarterback” labeled on you wherever you went.

In fact, the only thing you seemed to be missing was compassion.

You took everything that you had, and rather than do something good with it, thought it better to kill animals for your own amusement.

I’ll say that again. Mr Vick, you are an animal murderer. You sir, murder animals, and you do it under the guise of “sport.”

There is nothing sporting about making animals kill each other for your own personal amusement, Mr. Vick.

You sicken me.

For what reason, Mr. Vick, would you do this? You didn’t need the money. You could have gone to Vegas if you felt the need to gamble. You could have taken drugs if you needed a high.

Instead, you felt the need to murder animals. Animals that had no ability to save themselves. They couldn’t call their assistants to bring the limo around when they wanted to go home. They didn’t have the ability to call a time-out and regroup. They had to fight until they were dead, or so bloody and injured that they prayed for death.

And you gave them death. According to the Associated Press, your dogfighting ring allegedly executed underperforming pit bulls by hanging, electrocution or other brutal means, including slamming them into the ground until they were dead.

Well done, Mr. Vick. Your mother must be so proud of you. The NFL must be thrilled to have you among their ranks. Except that you were uninvited to training camp. So it looks like they’re not.

With a $100 million dollar contract, you couldn’t purchase one person to be a part of your entourage with any soul? Anyone who could have said, “you know, not only is this illegal, but it’s also terribly cruel. Why would you want to get involved in this?”

And don’t give me any stories about how it’s what they do in the projects, or it’s how you were raised, or it’s your culture, or your socio-influence. I simply don’t care. Hurting animals, deliberately, and for your own sick pleasure is wrong. Nothing you can say, can ever, ever, justify that.

Someone in your camp asked how this is any different than a celebrity getting busted for having Cocaine in her pockets… I’ll explain how, Mr. Vick. If a celebrity wants to blow lines until his or her heart explodes, he or she is free to do that. In fact, if they die, it’s probably more proof that Darwin was right. They’re not torturing and murdering animals in the process.

You, however, hurt those that did nothing to you. You didn’t hurt yourself when you forced animals to fight to their deaths. You didn’t hurt yourself when you shoved electrical wires up the anus’s of dogs who didn’t perform “well enough” for you.

But now, Mr. Vick, you’ve hurt yourself.

Nike has dropped you.

Reebok has dropped you.

Upper Deck has dropped you and removed your cards from unsold packs.

No training camp for you.

Your “buddy,” another heartless being, Tony Taylor, turned on you, copped a plea, and is helping the government build a case against you.

Your teammates are saying very scripted things, like “he hasn’t been convicted yet,” and “it’s an unfortunate situation.”

You know what those lines are called in the PR world?

They’re called “distancing one’s self from the situation.”

How does it feel to be a pariah?

Chances are really, really good that you’re going to wind up in jail, Mr. Vick.

And it’s not going to be a quick 15-day-sentence, either.

You’re looking at hard time, Mr. Vick.

Years, possibly. Your career is more than likely over.

I mean, honestly – who would want you, knowing what you do behind closed doors for “amusement?”

They say the universe tends to work itself out as it should. Looks to me, as your friends turn on you, as all your sources of income dry up, and as you’re left out to rot, on your own, with no friends, no team, and no entourage to back you, that the universe is working out just the way it should, indeed.

Perhaps in prison, you’ll learn something about compassion. Perhaps it’ll come at the hands of someone bigger than you one night when the guards aren’t there to protect you. Perhaps someone with an electric plug will teach you about compassion, about love, about feelings, about caring.

Or perhaps you’ll be in so much pain, you’ll be unable to learn. And then you too, just like the dogs you murdered, will pray for death.

But then, it seems to me, as you take stock of the complete one-hundred-eighty degree turn your life has taken in the past fourteen days, you might already be doing that.