Actually you are right...the fatburners they manufacture these days truly suck!...People criticize Muscletech, but I tell you one thing, nothing beats the old Hydroxycut (with ephedra) they used to sell...it was awesome and I used to burn fat off my mid-section like you wouldn't believe!...Iwhile on them, I went from 248 lbs to 218 in a little over 30 days...the fatburners now are crap and don't work for those of us who have very heavy appetites...I used to use Hydroxycut and I wouldn't be hungry all day... I could also feel myself trembling all over due to the stimulant effects...and sleeping was a bitch...but I tolerated the lack of sleep since I was losing weight...I bought the new Hydroxycut and it was a rip-off...also tried HotRox since I heard raves about it and it was even worse...no effects at all...nothing...I urge everyone out there to never buy another rip off fatburner again!...If regular weight-loss drugs made by the pharmaceuticals don't work, then nothing will...(besides steroids)