Which of the following was created in God's own image???

[columbusdude82]

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Genesis 1:27.

Which of the following did God create in his own image?

Which of the following is guilty of original sin?

Which of the following has (had) knowledge of good and evil?

Which of the following can have a personal relationship with God, and pray to him?

Which of the following are part of the "whosoever" in "God so loved the world, that he sent His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but shall have life everlasting"? (John 3:16)

Which of the following did Jesus die for?

Which of the following has an eternal soul that will be judged?

Which of the following has an eternal soul that will be saved or damned?

1. Homo Erectus



2. Archaic Homo Sapiens



3. Homo Sapiens



4. Homo Habilis



5.Homo Neanderthalensis




6. Australopithecus

[loco]

You believe all this?

What about all the alleged humanoid fossils that later turned out to be either from a human just like you and I or from an ape?  One even turned out to be from a pig, Nebraska man.

Homo habilis
Homo erectus
Java Man
Peking Man
Piltdown Man
Nebraska Man
Orce Man
The Neandertals

[loco]

If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities.

Did Hitler not believe this crap?  Wasn't this belief what motivated him to exterminate the Jews? Did Hitler not believe that Jews were not human, but a humanoid race that should have long been extinct through evolution? Did he not believe that exterminating them was justified for this reason?

Take a Asian man, a white man and a black man.  They are all different.  So which do you believe came first and which is on his way to extinction?

Again,
"If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities."

[columbusdude82]

So, loco, you think paleontology, archaeology, molecular biology and genetics, the fossil record, ... etc are all "absurdities"?

If so, I am sorry you have not had the benefit of a scientific education.

As for the atrocities, this has nothing to do with eugenics. And how many biologists, archaeologists, and geneticists do you see going around committing mass murder?

Again, my friend, Non Sequitur.

[loco]

So, loco, you think paleontology, archaeology, molecular biology and genetics, the fossil record, ... etc are all "absurdities"?

Not at all.  Only the belief that God did not create us as we are, but that instead we evolved from apes.

If so, I am sorry you have not had the benefit of a scientific education.

I have, in two countries.  One of them being the US...is that bad?     

As for the atrocities, this has nothing to do with eugenics. And how many biologists, archaeologists, and geneticists do you see going around committing mass murder?

Again, my friend, Non Sequitur.

Hitler and many other people believed biologists, archaeologists, and geneticists.  Those beliefs moved them to commit atrocities.

Nut jobs can and have used science as much as they can and have used religion.  It doesn't mean that science or religion are bad.

[columbusdude82]

OK so the first type of religious folks' response to these questions is to deny the evidence and say that these forms of man never existed (except for 3, of course).

Any other religious responders? Or people with thoughts on the question?

Thanks, loco. I am genuinely interested in religious folks' perspectives on these matters.

[loco]

OK so the first type of religious folks' response to these questions is to deny the evidence and say that these forms of man never existed (except for 3, of course).

What about all the alleged humanoid fossils that later turned out to be either from a human just like you and I or from an ape?  One even turned out to be from a pig, Nebraska man.

Homo habilis
Homo erectus
Java Man
Peking Man
Piltdown Man
Nebraska Man
Orce Man
The Neandertals

Any other religious responders? Or people with thoughts on the question?

Thanks, loco. I am genuinely interested in religious folks' perspectives on these matters.

You are welcome, columbusdude82!  Glad I can help!   

[columbusdude82]

Are you saying that there was NO neanderthal man?

[loco]

Are you saying that there was NO neanderthal man?

Neanderthals were just plain people, no more different from people living today than one living nation is different from another.

[columbusdude82]

Neanderthals were just plain people, no more different from people living today than one living nation is different from another.

Then why didn't God send them any prophets or messengers? They went extinct about 30,000 years ago. The God of the Bible didn't come on stage until much later, according to the Bible.

[loco]

Then why didn't God send them any prophets or messengers? They went extinct about 30,000 years ago. The God of the Bible didn't come on stage until much later, according to the Bible.

Is it possible that whoever came up with those 30,000 years is mistaken?  Do you honestly believe that dinosaur with the soft tissue is 65 million years old?  Is carbon dating 100% reliable?

[columbusdude82]

OK you've made your point. You essentially reject the vast majority of scientific work in geology, paleontology, molecular biology, etc, in favor of creationism.

Other believers, do you have other answers to the first post? Have you considered those questions before? Or are all the believers on here die-hard creationists like loco?

[loco]

OK you've made your point. You essentially reject the vast majority of scientific work in geology, paleontology, molecular biology, etc, in favor of creationism.

Other believers, do you have other answers to the first post? Have you considered those questions before? Or are all the believers on here die-hard creationists like loco?

columbusdude82,  I'm not necessarily a die-hard creationist.  I am open minded and I listen to both sides, and have seen evidence that supports both sides.  There are Christian scientists who are creationists and there are Christian scientists who are not creationists.  Both agree that there is a God and that God created everything.  They just disagree on when and on how God did this.  I happen to be somewhere in the middle at the moment, but I do believe that there is a God who created everything.

Here is an example of Christian scientists who are not creationists:

American Scientific Affiliation
http://www.asa3.org/

[columbusdude82]

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[smoothasf]

you listened but you did not hear 'hannibal lector'

[beatmaster]

good thread

[gcb]

Did Hitler not believe this crap?  Wasn't this belief what motivated him to exterminate the Jews? Did Hitler not believe that Jews were not human, but a humanoid race that should have long been extinct through evolution? Did he not believe that exterminating them was justified for this reason?

Take a Asian man, a white man and a black man.  They are all different.  So which do you believe came first and which is on his way to extinction?

Again,
"If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities."

Funny you should quote Hitler

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/nazi/adolf-hitler/

excerpt:
HITLER'S PUBLIC STANCES

for      

abortion
capital punishment
censorship      
Christianity
eugenics      
euthanasia      
genocide      
gun control      
Leni Riefenstahl films   
racial purity      
vegetarianism      

against

atheism
capitalism
communism
"degenerate" art
democracy
feminism
Freemasonry
gypsies
homosexuals
Jehovah's Witnesses
Jews
labor unions
miscegenation
nudism
pacifism
Poles
pornography
prostitution
psychoanalysis
Slavs
smoking      

point is don't be disingenuous by trying to associate Hitler with evolution, as if somehow that is a mark against it.

[loco]

Funny you should quote Hitler

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/nazi/adolf-hitler/

excerpt:
HITLER'S PUBLIC STANCES

for      

abortion
capital punishment
censorship      
Christianity
eugenics      
euthanasia      
genocide      
gun control      
Leni Riefenstahl films   
racial purity      
vegetarianism      

Hey gcb!  I did not quote Hitler in that post, but simply mentioned his name.  The source of your post is questionable as I can't even get to it from work because it's a "Hate/Intolerance" site.

Hitler wasn't for Christianity other than to try to turn the German Catholics and Lutherans against the Jews.

Of course Hitler used Catholic/Christian rhetoric.  He wouldn't want the Catholic and Lutheran Germans to oppose him.  It was in Hitler's best interest to have them on his side.  But it back fired on him.  The closest that anyone came to assassinating him was Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg, a devout Roman Catholic whose faith would not allow him to do nothing about Hitler's treatment of the Jews.  By the way, a movie about this called "Valkyrie" starring Tom Cruise will be released on October 3, 2008.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0985699/

And then there is German Lutheran pastor and theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer.  In response to Hitler's treatment of the Jews, Bonhoeffer's faith eventually let him to become a participant in the German Resistance movement against Nazism.  He was involved in plots to assassinate Adolf Hitler, including the one above. He was arrested, imprisoned, tortured, and eventually hanged for helping Jews escape the Nazis.

As for Hitler and Darwinism:

“Hitler believed in struggle as a Darwinian principle of human life that forced every people to try to dominate all others; without struggle they would rot and perish … . Even in his own defeat in April 1945, Hitler expressed his faith in the survival of the stronger and declared the Slavic peoples to have proven themselves the stronger.” 
Peter Hoffman, Hitler’s Personal Security (Oxford, UK: Pergamon Press, 1979), p. 264.

“To see evolutionary measures and tribal morality being applied vigorously to the affairs of a great modern nation, we must turn again to Germany of 1942. We see Hitler devoutly convinced that evolution produces the only real basis for a national policy … . The means he adopted to secure the destiny of his race and people were organized slaughter, which has drenched Europe in blood … . Such conduct is highly immoral as measured by every scale of ethics, yet Germany justifies it; it is consonant with tribal or evolutionary morality. Germany has reverted to the tribal past, and is demonstrating to the world, in their naked ferocity, the methods of evolution.”
Sir Arthur Keith, Evolution and Ethics (New York: Putman, 1947), p. 28.

"I assumed that Darwin's theory of evolution and "Social Darwinism" were substantially distinct, and that "Social Darwinism" was a twisting of Darwin's theory in a way that Darwin would not have approved. Then I read Charles Darwin's Descent of Man and realized that my simplistic dichotomy between Darwin and "Social Darwinism" could not be maintained." - Dr. John G. West
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1933859326/ref=s9_asin_image_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0M437Z8APXN5YA2Q1J14&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=278240701&pf_rd_i=507846
 
"Dr. West claims that " the eugenic movement, which led to the sterilization of tens of thousands of Americans against their will, many of whom would not be considered mentally handicapped today, was promoted by evolutionary biologists in the name of Darwinian natural selection." While this may not be factually incorrect, it obscures and omits some rather important details. For example, while many biologists did support eugenic policies, many important biologists did not." - Mark Borrello
http://www.mnscience.org/index.php?id=138

And not just Hitler:

Teen dead who opened fire on Finnish classmates, police say
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html
At least eight people were killed when an 18-year-old gunman opened fire at a school in Finland Wednesday, according to Finnish police...

...In the rambling text posted on the site, Auvinen said that he is "a cynical existentialist, anti-human humanist, anti-social social-Darwinist, realistic idealist and god-like atheist.

"I am prepared to fight and die for my cause," he wrote. "I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection."...

...Sipila said that Finland, which has a population of about five million, has around two million firearms, although gun laws are tough. "We do not know where he got it from," he said

[columbusdude82]

loco, you are still posting those lies about natural selection even though I have debunked them and explained the matter to you several times now.

You prove that you are not interested in debate, only in scoring cheap points by using guilt by association: associating evolution with Hitler.

I am sorry you never took the time to learn what it is you're criticizing, but that is apparently a common thing among religious folks nowadays...

[loco]

loco, you are still posting those lies about natural selection even though I have debunked them and explained the matter to you several times now.

You prove that you are not interested in debate, only in scoring cheap points by using guilt by association: associating evolution with Hitler.

I am sorry you never took the time to learn what it is you're criticizing, but that is apparently a common thing among religious folks nowadays...

They are not lies, columbusdude82.  They are facts.  I am not making this up.  I am posting my sources.  Don't argue with me.  Argue with my sources and show me how they are wrong and how they are deceptive.

[Colossus_500]

loco, you are still posting those lies about natural selection even though I have debunked them and explained the matter to you several times now.

You prove that you are not interested in debate, only in scoring cheap points by using guilt by association: associating evolution with Hitler.

I am sorry you never took the time to learn what it is you're criticizing, but that is apparently a common thing among religious folks nowadays...

There's no bitterness in you whatsoever, is there, C-dude82?

[columbusdude82]

They are not lies, columbusdude82.  They are facts.  I am not making this up.  I am posting my sources.  Don't argue with me.  Argue with my sources and show me how they are wrong and how they are deceptive.

I already have.

There's no bitterness in you whatsoever, is there, C-dude82?

No bitterness. I just get tired of debunking the same lies. "Evolution = Hitler" and "Atheism = Stalin" get old after a while