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I am about to start a 15week cycle with a show on week 16.

Week 1-5 40mg of dianabol ed
Week 1-6 300mg of Nandrolone Phenylprop
Week 1-10 500mg of Karachi sust
Week 7-15 600mg of Eq
Week 9-15 300mg of Tren
I might run winstrol for 5 weeks at 50mg a day havenīt deceided yet.

For fat burning I will be running T3, Clen and ECA I will run T3 for two sessions of four weeks starting my first session on week 5-8 and my second on week 11-14


Week 5-8 T3 7days x 25mcg 5x50mcg 4x75mcg 5x50mcg 7x25mcg
Week 5-6 clen starting at one tab working my way up.
Week 7-8 eca
Week 9-10 clen
Week 11-14 T3 same as above
Week 11-12 eca
Week 13-14 clen.

I have nolva on hand both for the cycle and the pct.
My Pct will start about two weeks after my last shot it will contain hcg, clomid and nolva.

Please let me know what you guys think

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I dont compete, Aj and Luv and some others be interesting to hear from...

Only thing I'd ask is if you've prior experience w/ how much water you'll retaining off the SUS?
In my experience not as much as TE, But thats me.

Too much = smooth.... not enough = Flat.

Are shorter acting stuff (Than SUS) easier to fine tune if necessary at the end...?

I like Karchi SUS, but its a 21 day ride...and it IS real 4 ester, not TE or TC labled as SUS.
It will be there for 3 weeks minimum after last shot of it...

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I don't compete but make sure your diet is in check. That'll help more then drugs.

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First of all good luck to you. However, I don't like this cycle at all, and I mean I really don't like it. I'll just list the problems I see...I'm not going to make slight changes or anything because I would change the whole thing.

*The cycle should run right up until show time...you don't pull all the drugs a wk before a comp...you might drop some of them and adjust others, but completely coming off everything a wk out could easily spell disaster.

*Test should be in the entire cycle. You may end up pulling it a few days prior to the show, but that's it. Plus, have you ever run tren before? You have it set up to be run without test, most guys cannot handle this. Plus, without any test, and while in a big time calorie deficit, your not going to be feeling all that great IMO. Why make things harder then they need to be?

*I'd rather see the EQ in the front part of the cycle, say wks 1-8 or 12, finishing off with the tren, winny and test.

*This is the big one that I don't like...the t-3 schedule. You absolutely do not want to run your t-3 in sections like this...once your on t-3 stay on t-3 or you will suffer some rebounding effects guaranteed. Further, since you should be staying on it from the point you start, yes ramp up but do not ramp down so much until after the show...you should be at your highest dose of t-3 by the wk of the show...continue t-3 for a bit after the show ramping down. Start your t-3 at 25mcg/ed and ramp up 12.5mcg every wk or 2 as needed.

*Clen and t-3 should be run up until show date just like other things, i.e. winny, tren. You should be taking these things even on the actual day of the show.

*These next things are just personal preferences. I prefer running clen the entire time, not the 2wk on 2wk off way...I've done both and the former works better IMO...no, it doesn't stop working after 2wks, this is simply myth. I also don't like ECA, simply because I'm not a stimulate fan...bad on cortisol levels.

*Nandrolone Phenylprop, I don't have too much to say about this, simply because I've never used it in a cycle. Even so, I know what it is and don't' see it as the best option for this cycle or any cycle for that matter...but it's not the end of the world or anything.

With all that in mind, I'd suggest you take the things I've said and what others may say and try to formulate a new and improved cycle. Once you do that, come back to this thread and post it up for critique.

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I am about to start a 15week cycle with a show on week 16.

Week 1-5 40mg of dianabol ed
Week 1-6 300mg of Nandrolone Phenylprop
Week 1-10 500mg of Karachi sust
Week 7-15 600mg of Eq
Week 9-15 300mg of Tren
I might run winstrol for 5 weeks at 50mg a day havenīt deceided yet.

For fat burning I will be running T3, Clen and ECA I will run T3 for two sessions of four weeks starting my first session on week 5-8 and my second on week 11-14


Week 5-8 T3 7days x 25mcg 5x50mcg 4x75mcg 5x50mcg 7x25mcg
Week 5-6 clen starting at one tab working my way up.
Week 7-8 eca
Week 9-10 clen
Week 11-14 T3 same as above
Week 11-12 eca
Week 13-14 clen.

I have nolva on hand both for the cycle and the pct.
My Pct will start about two weeks after my last shot it will contain hcg, clomid and nolva.

Please let me know what you guys think

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One thing I would do for sure if I was you, is take an aromatase inhibitor the whole way at a pretty good dose.  I like letrozole but arimidex would also be another option.  If you use letro take 1.5mg ED and see how that works.  The last thing you need getting ready for a show is a bunch of estrogen floating around in you.  Estrogen means fat and water retention.

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I am about to start a 15week cycle with a show on week 16.

Week 1-5 40mg of dianabol ed
Week 1-6 300mg of Nandrolone Phenylprop
Week 1-10 500mg of Karachi sust
Week 7-15 600mg of Eq
Week 9-15 300mg of Tren
I might run winstrol for 5 weeks at 50mg a day havenīt deceided yet.

For fat burning I will be running T3, Clen and ECA I will run T3 for two sessions of four weeks starting my first session on week 5-8 and my second on week 11-14


Week 5-8 T3 7days x 25mcg 5x50mcg 4x75mcg 5x50mcg 7x25mcg
Week 5-6 clen starting at one tab working my way up.
Week 7-8 eca
Week 9-10 clen
Week 11-14 T3 same as above
Week 11-12 eca
Week 13-14 clen.

I have nolva on hand both for the cycle and the pct.
My Pct will start about two weeks after my last shot it will contain hcg, clomid and nolva.

Please let me know what you guys think

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Some just like to make it much more complicated than it really is. **First make sure your diet is in check, this is the most important part of prep without it your nothing. I really really really like the palumbo diet, i get ripped to the bone and dont get hungry at all while on it. Now gear, sust, npp, dbol are bulking drugs that make you hold tons of water and thats not something were in liu of precontest. 16 weeks is a long time out and gear isnt necessary until the diet really tightens up around 12weeks out. Save yourself the cash and due 12 weeks instead, spend it on sirloins and almonds ;D
1-6 anavar 50mg+
3-12 tren ace + test prop (100mg each 75mg on tren ok too)
6-12 add either winny50mg/masteron100mg or halo ( I prefer all and halo if you can manage to hunt some down.)
*I like letro as my ai and also run nolva 20mg throughout.
*eca can be run from 14 weeks to the show and should be kept consistant not cycled. Even if you dont feel it, its there. No need for the clen.
T3, every body has their own way and its a pain in the ass if you have never used it. You have to figure out how you take to it. This is what works for me. Stuff will eat you alive, and leave you as flat as a board if you cant figure it out. I would practice some other time and use it later on down the road if you havent used it yet.
6 weeks
days
taper up
1-2 50mcgs
3-4 75mcgs
rollin
5-11 100-125mcgs
11-13 100-125mcgs ( or whatever max)
14-16 100
17-19 75mcgs.
my taper down
20-22 50mcgs
23-28 37.5 mcgs
29-33 25mcgs
34-42 12.5

Good luck brother, remember bodybuilding is an individual sport and this is what works for me. But in my experiences i have learned to, stay simple. Keep it basic and their is much less room for error. Diet and cardio is the only way i can lose weight, and thats how it is for most of us. No magic pills, shots, etc... Just good ol fashioned discipline. Out train them, out diet them and you will be at 100%

 
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One thing I would do for sure if I was you, is take an aromatase inhibitor the whole way at a pretty good dose.  I like letrozole but arimidex would also be another option.  If you use letro take 1.5mg ED and see how that works.  The last thing you need getting ready for a show is a bunch of estrogen floating around in you.  Estrogen means fat and water retention.
Agreed, I shouldn't have left that part out...good catch.


I really really really like the palumbo diet, i get ripped to the bone and dont get hungry at all while on it.
Best dieting method on the planet...why some can't see this is beyond me???????



Now gear, sust, npp, dbol are bulking drugs that make you hold tons of water and thats not something were in liu of precontest.
 
Not necessarily. You can diet successfully on most any types of drugs, even deca, even dbol or drol. true, some drugs make it easier and help you hold less water, but in the end this comes down to diet, running AI's like L2H mentioned and final prep the few days out. For example, a friend of mine who used to post here but doesn't anymore, last year for his show he ran deca during his contest prep and this brother was as lean and hard as you can be. he didn't have a drop of water on him and although he didn't have his BF checked, there is no way it was much over 3% if that...bro was lean and hard!

16 weeks is a long time out and gear isnt necessary until the diet really tightens up around 12weeks out. Save yourself the cash and due 12 weeks instead, spend it on sirloins and almonds ;D

 
I disagree, if you're going to cycle and if you're going to diet, start both right away...once you go into a caloric deficit you do run the risk of burning up muscle, right from the start...which is pretty easy to prevent with a good cycle.


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for me.... the minute t3/ephedrine is introduced then muscle is at risk. From 16-12 i still have carbs in my diet and i really dont lose size. But whatever works...A lot depends on how much there is to lose in the 1st place. I never go over 12% always somewhat abs
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Hey guys
thank you all for taking time to give your take on my cycle.

First a little on my background. This will be my fifth competition. I have used gear on and off for about 10 years.
I compete at national level and I have always placed top 4 at some of the biggest shows my country has to offer.
This will answer the question about my diet and cardio being in check. Yes it is!!! I do not consider my self and expert on gear use
as I never been going at it on large doses or lots of different gear. Thru my 10 years I have pretty much only used dianabol Deca Sustanon Primobolan and Winstrol. I use nolvadex as anti e and for pct I use hcg clomid and nolva. I have always used "bulking drugs for my cycles and I havenīt experienced any problem with it. I have always cut my test out at around 4 to 5 weeks before the show and only used winny and primo for the last weeks. Lots of years back one of the pros wrote to me that last week before a show there was no need for taking anything but anti e and possible some diuretic so thereīs the explenation to why I didnīt run the cycle all the way up to the show. About my t3 clen and eca. I never used T3 and the info I get is from boards and getting some advice from fellow competitors who are friends of mine. I would really like some more info on how you think I should use it. Clen I have always used 2days on 2days off but figured I try 2weeks on and 2 weeks off running eca on off weeks. Eca I have used non stop with out cycling it before so this 2on 2off would be new to me.

what if I do my cycle like this
Week 1-5 40mg of pink thai ed
Week 1-6 300mg of Nandrolone Phenylprop (I have some left from a bulking cycle and figured I might as well use it.
Week 1-10 500mg of Karachi sust ( should I bump it up to 750mg???)
Week 3-10 600mg of Eq (I would run it for more weeks but I donīt have enough could lower the dose to 400mg to make it last longer???)
Week 10-16 300mg of Tren
week 11-16 100mg of propionate eod
Week 11-16 50mg of winstrol ed
Iīm running nolva at 10mg ed from week 5-13 then 20mg week 14 30mg week 15 and 40mg week 16.

Ok let me know what you think

Jake



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I cant give  help for really  dialing in your contest condition, But 3cc of Karachi is not overdoing it.
Im surprised you use that little. It release slowly over a long time. Not the same as a 750mg shot of TE.
No compare. Its spread over a long time till you've really built it up over the weeks.

Some guys get to that point though, and dont understand how high a build up effect they have going.
(Headaches and High BP etc)


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Hey guys
thank you all for taking time to give your take on my cycle.

First a little on my background. This will be my fifth competition. I have used gear on and off for about 10 years.
I compete at national level and I have always placed top 4 at some of the biggest shows my country has to offer.
This will answer the question about my diet and cardio being in check. Yes it is!!! I do not consider my self and expert on gear use
as I never been going at it on large doses or lots of different gear. Thru my 10 years I have pretty much only used dianabol Deca Sustanon Primobolan and Winstrol. I use nolvadex as anti e and for pct I use hcg clomid and nolva. I have always used "bulking drugs for my cycles and I havenīt experienced any problem with it. I have always cut my test out at around 4 to 5 weeks before the show and only used winny and primo for the last weeks. Lots of years back one of the pros wrote to me that last week before a show there was no need for taking anything but anti e and possible some diuretic so thereīs the explenation to why I didnīt run the cycle all the way up to the show. About my t3 clen and eca. I never used T3 and the info I get is from boards and getting some advice from fellow competitors who are friends of mine. I would really like some more info on how you think I should use it. Clen I have always used 2days on 2days off but figured I try 2weeks on and 2 weeks off running eca on off weeks. Eca I have used non stop with out cycling it before so this 2on 2off would be new to me.

what if I do my cycle like this
Week 1-5 40mg of pink thai ed
Week 1-6 300mg of Nandrolone Phenylprop (I have some left from a bulking cycle and figured I might as well use it.
Week 1-10 500mg of Karachi sust ( should I bump it up to 750mg???)
Week 3-10 600mg of Eq (I would run it for more weeks but I donīt have enough could lower the dose to 400mg to make it last longer???)
Week 10-16 300mg of Tren
week 11-16 100mg of propionate eod
Week 11-16 50mg of winstrol ed
Iīm running nolva at 10mg ed from week 5-13 then 20mg week 14 30mg week 15 and 40mg week 16.

Ok let me know what you think

Jake




If you still respond well to 500mg of test I don't see any problem with dropping the EQ down to 400mg to make it last longer, What I would do though if you have enough is run 500mg of EQ and bump your test up to 600-750 and start the EQ on week one, still stopping it when you start the Tren on week 10.  Also, is your PCT beginning after these 16 weeks or is that week 14-16 of 30-40mg of Nolva supposed to be your PCT? 

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Changes:
Week 1-5 40mg of pink thai ed
Week 1-6 300mg of Nandrolone Phenylprop
Week 1-8 sust 500mg
Week 1-8 600mg of Eq
wk 9-16 prop 100mg/eod
wk 9-16 tren-a 50-75mg/eod
wk 9-16 winny 50mg/ed

If you bump this up to 750mg/wk on the sust, I'd also bump the prop up to 200mg/eod, otherwise that's a pretty dramatic decrease in test all at once IMO.

Also, since this is for comp, the last wk I'd consider bumping the tren up to ed instead of eod and maybe a slightly higher dose of winny that wk as well. On the test prop, that last wk drop it all together a few days out say Tues or wed, but run everything else right up till the show.

I'd drop the nolva during the cycle and get an AI like L2H said...much more effective...arimidex or letrozol will work.

T-3 start with 25mcg/ed and ramp up 12.5mcg per wk every 1-2wks as needed...let the mirror tell you what you need, but I do not advise going over 125mcg/ed max. run up until your show, and after the show start tapering it down. run your standard dose, whatever you ended on the day or 2 after the show, and then drop down 25-50mcg/ed until you get to 25mcg/ed. Run 25mcg/ed for 1wk and then stop all together.







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If you still respond well to 500mg of test I don't see any problem with dropping the EQ down to 400mg to make it last longer, What I would do though if you have enough is run 500mg of EQ and bump your test up to 600-750 and start the EQ on week one, still stopping it when you start the Tren on week 10.  Also, is your PCT beginning after these 16 weeks or is that week 14-16 of 30-40mg of Nolva supposed to be your PCT? 

No my pct is after my 16 weeks. The nolva I use for week14-16 is for my final prep to keep my body from retaining water

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No my pct is after my 16 weeks. The nolva I use for week14-16 is for my final prep to keep my body from retaining water

Jake

Okay, I assumed that was the case but wanted to make sure since you didn't mention a PCT specfically.

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Hey Arnold Jr
Thanks for your suggestion on my cycle I appreciate it.
I am a little confused on your theory on T3 as pretty much all the info I find on it compare to this example I took from another board about the profile on cytomel.


Generally cycles should be limited to 4-6 weeks tops, I recommend 3 and alternating cycles with 3-week cycles of clenbuterol. But most importantly, to avoid a crash or a shock to the thyroid function doses need to be built up over time and tapered off again. More so for cytomel than for any other drug in existence.
It can be stacked or alternated with clenbuterol. I usually recommend to alternate, three weeks clen with three weeks cytomel, since clen loses most of its benefits after a short period of time and using cytomel for extended time-periods will increase the risk of permanent thyroid failure. Neither drug is terribly expensive so I see no problem in this. Some opt to use them together for 3-4 weeks, and then use an over the counter ECA stack to bridge with for an equal period of time, but I'm not such a big fan of that. Which naturally doesn't mean its not effective, that's just a personal opinion. Running it for three weeks, one could choose for a schedule as follows: 25/25/25/50/50/50/75/75/75/100/100/100/75/75/75/50/50/50/25/25/25 ĩg/day. If taken for 4 weeks, then run each dose for 4 days, 5 weeks then each dose for 5 days and so on. It is extremely important that the doses are tapered on and off and that a cycle never exceeds 6 weeks at the most. As far as adding products, no ancillaries are needed, but its highly recommended that this is only used when anabolic/androgenic steroids are also being used. First of all the extra free calories work with the steroids to enhance results, but also because an increased level of thyroid hormones can be extremely catabolic and the use of anabolic compounds to counter muscle loss is a requirement here.

Arnold not to question your knowledge but does your way of using T3 come from your own experience or have you learned about your way of doing it from researce.

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I have always run it 6 weeks at a time 25mcg increments over a few days with a pyramid to a max of 100mcg.  I know people who have run liothyronine for up to 6 months at a time though.  I haven't seen any studies on long term use so I can't tell you definatively how smart that is, but I can tell you my friend is fine.  The longer you are on though the slower you need to ramp back down.

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Arnold not to question your knowledge but does your way of using T3 come from your own experience or have you learned about your way of doing it from researce.

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It comes from both. I used to run t-3 similar to the way you have it outlined above, and I used to use clen on the 2wk on 2wk off method. Why did I do it this way, well, most of what I read on various message boards like this one and guys I knew at the gym used it this way...you know, just the local gym rat drug users, not people with a whole lot of knowledge...so I just assumed this way was the best...I've since learned this is false.

First off, the thyroid has very remarkable properties about it and the body will not stop producing it's own t-3 and t-4 from use of thyroid meds for a time period...not in most cases. True, there are those that this may happen to, but they are in a very small minority, and if it does happen to them, odds are they were going to have thyroid problems later down the road anyway. Now if you stayed on for years at a time, sure, you might shut down your thyroid permanently, but try to look at like you do your other hormones. When you cycle AAS you shut down your natural test production, but low and behold, it comes right back after you stop. But many studies have shown that those who did stay on thyroid replacement therapy for years at a time, almost always recovered their natural thyrod with in very short periods of time...here are some studies you can take a look at that might help out.

*Patterns off recovery of the hypothalamic-pituitary-thyroid axis in patients taken of chronic thyroid therapy. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1975 Jul;41(1):70-80 Krugman LG, Hershman JM, Chopra IJ, Levine GA, Pekary E, Geffner DL, Chua Teco GN

*Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy. N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4 Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI, Ingbar SH.

As for clen and why I think you should use it non stop once on, check out some of the stuff posted in the clinical studies link at the top of the page.

Last off, if it helps at all, I've used clen and t-3 for up to 16wk straight through and had zero problems coming off...and yes, I burned fat the entire time...the stuff did not stop working. Actually, on the t-3 I've ran this for 20wks straight before, building up to my highest dose duering a 15wk cycle and tapering down the last 4wks after the diet...again, no problems. Am I the only person I know that does it this way? No, not at all. I actually now know several people who do it this way, people I know personally, both men and women. In short, the stuff doesn't stop working after short periods of time...just because you don't feel jittery or what not does not mean your body is unaware that it's in there...your body does become accustomed to it in a manner of speaking to where the "shock" of these drugs is over, but the fat burning properties are still alive and well.

Not sure if all this helps...hope it does.

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ive always found a good dose of orals along with plenty fast acting gear for the last 6 weeks will do u wonders,,,, the weeks before that dont realy matter as much in my opinion,, good oil based test along with decca or eq etc etc

6 to 1  susp 100mg ed, mast 100mg eod, prima 100mg eod,tren 75mg eod

stromba 50mg ed, anavar 50mg ed, dianabol 50mg ed... nolva and arimidex ed

last week keep the same, switch from diababol to halo....