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I have no idea what you're talking about. 

of course you know exactly what I'm talking about



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I have no idea what you're talking about. 

Bum, why do you always play the fool (it is an act right?)

1.  You've indicated in this thread that you don't believe Craigs denial about being gay or at least engaging in questionable activity
2.  In the past you've repeatedly asserted that "being gay" is a CHOICE

back to the question: 

Why do you you think Craig CHOSE to engage in homesexual activity given how much he has to lose?

You could obviously say you have no idea but why PRETEND you don't even understand the question??


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Bum, why do you always play the fool (it is an act right?)

1.  You've indicated in this thread that you don't believe Craigs denial about being gay or at least engaging in questionable activity
2.  In the past you've repeatedly asserted that "being gay" is a CHOICE

back to the question: 

Why do you you think Craig CHOSE to engage in homesexual activity given how much he has to lose?

You could obviously say you have no idea but why PRETEND you don't even understand the question??


I try and avoid answering dumb disingenuous questions.  Hope this helps. 

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I try and avoid answering dumb disingenuous questions.  Hope this helps. 

you haven't used that bullshit in awhile.

I thought you said you didn't know what I was talking about

You've stated that you believe that being gay is a choice

You've suggested that you don't believe Craig's denial

What's the problem??

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you haven't used that bullshit in awhile.

I thought you said you didn't know what I was talking about

You've stated that you believe that being gay is a choice

You've suggested that you don't believe Craig's denial

What's the problem??

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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055662/

just more proof that when you're challenged to discuss what you truly believe and why you believe it you can't handle it. First you pretend that you don't get it and then call the topic disingenious

Would you agree that by choosing to engage in this activity shows that Craig has very poor judgement and can't be trusted in a position of power and influence.   Also, because he's a closeted gay he exposes himself to blackmail and extortion which presents a potential threat to our national security


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Senator losing support in Idaho, Washington
NEW: "We're disappointed," White House spokesman says

BOISE, Idaho (CNN) -- Sen. Larry Craig, who was arrested for allegedly soliciting sex in a public restroom, is losing support among conservatives in his home state of Idaho, and the White House also is expressing disappointment with the situation.

A police mug shot of Sen. Larry Craig after he was arrested at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport in June.

 "We're disappointed in what's going on. It's a matter for the senator and the Senate Republican leadership to address," deputy White House press secretary Scott Stanzel said.

"We hope that it will be resolved quickly, as that would be in the best interests of the Senate and the people of Idaho," Stanzel said.

State GOP officials in Idaho are standing by Craig in their public comments, but some privately say that the senator is ruined.

One conservative leader, though, was unequivocal:

"I believe he should resign because I believe character is an extremely important qualification for public service," said Bryan Fischer of the Idaho Values Alliance. "And I believe the senator, by his own admission, has acknowledged that he has fallen short of the standard that we should expect from public servants."

Likewise, the head of a conservative advocacy group in Washington had strong words for Craig:

"Senator Craig admittedly engaged in illegal activity that brings serious disrepute to the public office he holds," Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said Wednesday. "He should seriously consider resigning."

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/29/craig.arrest/index.html

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Perhaps the reason he choose to have sex with anonymous men in public restrooms is because as a child Senator Craig's father never showed him his penis in the shower or had him pound a square peg into a square hole.

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Breaking News:

U.S. Sen. Larry Craig was arrested in June on lewd conduct charges in a Minneapolis airport bathroom--D'OH!!!

Holy crap man, the list of republicans engaging in not so family values is getting longer than fuck...  I doubt I can fit the list in to one post :D

It'll be a longer list if you include the shitbag hypocrites from BOTH parties.

That sick bastard needs to get help.



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Hypocrisy 101

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/28/1999-video-republican-larry-craig-calls-bill-clinton-a-nasty-bad-naughty-boy/

Ouch, Matthews ripped Craig to shreds with his comments at the end of the video.

There is just something so outrageously pathetic about a Conservative anti-gay senior senator getting caught propositioning men for sex in a public restroom. Craig's political agenda is almost entirely anti-gay yet he enjoys sucking off strange men on the weekends at the local truck stop restroom. What a piece of human trash.

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There is an audio link of his police interview on FoxNews.com.  Don't know how to post the link.  Here is a link to the written transcript.  http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295329,00.html

I listened to the whole interview.  Sounds like a guilty man to me. 

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Ouch, Matthews ripped Craig to shreds with his comments at the end of the video.

There is just something so outrageously pathetic about a Conservative anti-gay senior senator getting caught propositioning men for sex in a public restroom. Craig's political agenda is almost entirely anti-gay yet he enjoys sucking off strange men on the weekends at the local truck stop restroom. What a piece of human trash.

There are tons of guys who think like him (many quite conservative).  They will suck cock with strangers over and over, but do not consider themselves gay.  Remember Ted Haggard?

Is there anything more pathetic than hearing him proclaim that he is not gay and never has been gay and watching him place his arm around his wife while he said it.   ::)

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Yep, really sucks, really glad nothing happend to Barney Frank and his well known prostitution ring he was running and the other Dems that got caught for far worse similar things that Craig was caught for, yep, the Libs keep their jobs and careers and this guy gets caught and loses everything........see the hypocrisy?

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Yep, really sucks, really glad nothing happend to Barney Frank and his well known prostitution ring he was running and the other Dems that got caught for far worse similar things that Craig was caught for, yep, the Libs keep their jobs and careers and this guy gets caught and loses everything........see the hypocrisy?

Excellent, here comes Mr. Hate to chime in with a completely rational post. Good job.

You realize of course that Craig's whole political career is built around anti-homosexual policy don't you Mr. Hate?

You see the incredible hypocrisy in a Conservative anti-homosexual Senior Senator having sex with anonymous men in public restrooms don't you Mr. Hate?

Of course you don't Mr. Hate, in your warped point of view the whole Craig scandal is probably the fault of the Liberals.

BTW, I forgot maybe you can enlighten us, did Frank run on an anti-homosexual platform? Were his political beliefs based on anti-homosexual agendas?
 
The Republicans are distancing themselves from Craig like rats fleeing a sinking ship and all you can do is talk about Liberals, nice work sticking to the delusional rhetoric.

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Excellent, here comes Mr. Hate to chime in with a completely rational post. Good job.

You realize of course that Craig's whole political career is built around anti-homosexual policy don't you Mr. Hate?

You see the incredible hypocrisy in a Conservative anti-homosexual Senior Senator having sex with anonymous men in public restrooms don't you Mr. Hate?

Of course you don't Mr. Hate, in your warped point of view the whole Craig scandal is probably the fault of the Liberals.

BTW, I forgot maybe you can enlighten us, did Frank run on an anti-homosexual platform? Were his political beliefs based on anti-homosexual agendas?
 
The Republicans are distancing themselves from Craig like rats fleeing a sinking ship and all you can do is talk about Liberals, nice work sticking to the delusional rhetoric.

Junior, I know he ran on a anti- homo agenda, but at the same time there are ALOT of conservative homosexuals who have anti-homosexual agendas, I'm not sticking up for Craig, personally I could care less.........but Frank and his cohorts do something 10X's worse and they keep their careers. So the dude might be a closet homosexual, thats not illegal.

Another thing, get off the "Mr. Hate" thing fuckhead everytime I come on here and express my point of view, trust me, you're the only "Mr. Hate" here.

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Junior, I know he ran on a anti- homo agenda, but at the same time there are ALOT of conservative homosexuals who have anti-homosexual agendas, I'm not sticking up for Craig, personally I could care less.........but Frank and his cohorts do something 10X's worse and they keep their careers. So the dude might be a closet homosexual, thats not illegal.

Another thing, get off the "Mr. Hate" thing fuckhead everytime I come on here and express my point of view, trust me, you're the only "Mr. Hate" here.

Touch a nerve?   :-*   ;D

Sounds like you are defending Craig, apologizing for him like a garden variety liberal in a "Winter Festival Dance"   ::)

 

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Touch a nerve?   :-*   ;D

Sounds like you are defending Craig, apologizing for him like a garden variety liberal in a "Winter Festival Dance"   ::)

 

Not defending him by anymeans, but one persons career get ruined by his actions, it's only fair that anothers should get ruined as well, especially if that offence is alot worse than what Craig was accused for...........the title of this thread should say it all!

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Not defending him by anymeans, but one persons career get ruined by his actions, it's only fair that anothers should get ruined as well, especially if that offence is alot worse than what Craig was accused for...........the title of this thread should say it all!

If you applied that to everything our whole government would come crashing down.   the problem with that kind of thinking is that it's completely unrealistic as there are sure to be many many more people doing much more illegal things or things they shouldn't be doing.

The point here is that he was busted red handed and now is trying to spin his way out of it and no one is buying it.   

Monster example of someone who is not taking responsibility for their actions and have disgrace the office and party they represent.  He was soliciting in a public bathroom......pathetic.

That bastard deserves everything he gets and the Circus of media and criticism deserves their entertainment from it.

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Yep, really sucks, really glad nothing happend to Barney Frank and his well known prostitution ring he was running and the other Dems that got caught for far worse similar things that Craig was caught for, yep, the Libs keep their jobs and careers and this guy gets caught and loses everything........see the hypocrisy?

no comparison - don't conflate the two.

Here's the difference:  Frank reported this to Congress (Craig did not).  Frank was not charged with a crime (Craig was and chose to plead guilty).   House Ethics Committed investigated and found no wrong doing on Franks' part.  Also, Frank is openly gay and therefore not susceptible to blackmail/extortion.


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In 1990, the House voted to reprimand Frank when it was revealed that Steve Gobie, a male escort whom Frank had befriended after hiring him through a personal advertisement, claimed to have conducted an escort service from Frank's apartment when he was not at home. Frank had dismissed Gobie earlier that year and reported the incident to the House Ethics Committee after learning of Gobie's activities. After an investigation, the House Ethics Committee found no evidence that Frank had known of or been involved in the alleged illegal activity.

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Craig Case: Congressional Arrogance at Work
Friday, August 31, 2007 10:21 AM
Author: Ronald Kessler   


Watching Sen. Larry E. Craig’s press conference about his encounter with a police officer in an airport men’s room, I wondered how anyone could be so arrogant as to think he could credibly claim that his only mistake was to plead guilty to the charge stemming from the seamy incident.

Then I remembered "unarresting." Unarresting is not a term you will find in any law. It’s not in any dictionary. But it’s a term known to every officer of the Capitol Police.

Unarresting is what happens when a Capitol Police officer has the misfortune to learn, after having made an arrest, that the person charged is a member of Congress. In that case, a supervisor is called, and he drives the member of Congress home. No record is made of the arrest. In other words, it is covered up.

Of course, if a Capitol Police officer learns before an arrest that the suspect is a member of Congress, the process is much simpler: He never makes the arrest in the first place.

For my book "Inside Congress," former Capitol Police officers described on the record how the process works.

Steven E. Dekelbaum, a former Capitol Police officer who became a metropolitan police detective in Washington, said that one night when he was walking across a street near the Capitol on the green light, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy drove through a red light and almost ran him over.

“He was speeding. The speed limit was 25, and he was well over that,” Dekelbaum told me. “I jumped out of his way. I guess he looked in his rear-view mirror and said, ‘I almost hit a cop.’ He stopped. I approached the car. He reeked [of liquor]. . . I said, ‘Look, senator, you’re pretty drunk, and you almost ran me over.’ I said, ‘I don't want you to get any bad publicity.’ I was pretty diplomatic for a dumb 22-year-old. I knew I would get in trouble otherwise.”

Dekelbaum suggested that Kennedy park his car and take a taxi.

“He said, ‘You know, you’re right.’ I said, ‘I don't want you to kill anybody or kill yourself.’ By this time, the sergeant saw what was going on. He sees whom I’ve stopped. The sergeant literally grabbed me by my shoulder. He gave [Kennedy] his keys back. He said, ‘Do you know who that is?’ I said, ‘Yes.’”

The sergeant turned to Kennedy, apologized for the “inconvenience” and told him to get back in his car.

“The senator took off, and the sergeant started yelling at me, cussing me out,” Dekelbaum said. “I said, ‘You’re a f****** asshole. What happens if he goes down the street and kills somebody or kills himself? They’re going to see a cop stopped him. They can make me an accessory.”

“Too f****** bad,” the sergeant said. “Don’t ever do it again.”

“If you find a member doing something wrong, you unarrest him,” said Edward P. Percival, another former Capitol Police officer. “It happens all the time.”

“It was common practice to unarrest people because they were powerful or someone powerful intervened,” Terry Coons, a former Capitol Police officer, said. “You always considered what you were going to do with the idea, ‘If I arrest this person, what will happen later? What will the consequences of an arrest be on me?'”

“Congress never wanted the Capitol Police to be so professional that they would have the ability to investigate [the members],” former Capitol Police Sgt. John A. Gott told me. “If they kept us as their little private guards, we would never be a threat.”

Thus, when Sen. Patrick J. Kennedy, D-R.I., lost of his control of his car at 2:45 a.m. on May 6, 2006, almost rammed into a Capitol Police cruiser, and then hit a security barrier, Capitol Police suspected he was drunk but followed the book when encountering a member of Congress: Even though he was staggering and at one point almost fell over, they did not give him a sobriety test or Breathalyzer test. Nor did they arrest him. Instead, they drove him home.

Any other citizen would have spent the night in jail.

After the incident was leaked to the papers, the Capitol Police were forced to undo the cover-up. They eventually cited him, and Kennedy pleaded guilty to driving under the influence of prescription medication.

Of course, anyone in power is susceptible to arrogance. But members of Congress are a special case because they make the laws. From laws prohibiting employment discrimination and sexual harassment to the Freedom of Information Act, they often exempt themselves from the same rules and oversight they impose on the rest of the government and the country.

To be sure, Congress created its own mechanism for dealing with complaints by its own employees of discrimination and sexual harassment. But it is toothless. Unarresting is but another example of Congress carving out an exemption for itself.

Indeed, jeopardizing their own safety, members of Congress even order Capitol Police officers to let them enter congressional buildings without going through metal detectors or showing identification. Officers are supposed to memorize their faces but most admit they have no idea what the 535 voting members look like.

When one officer did not recognize then-Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., on March 29, 2006, and asked her to go through a metal detector, she slugged him. Even though others witnessed the incident, she accused the officer of inappropriately touching a “female black congresswoman.”

“The ego and the arrogance of some of the members had an impact on me,” John R. Niston, a former Capitol Police officer, told me. “They get to the point where they think the people in the country exist to serve them instead of the other way around.”


© 2007 NewsMax. All rights reserved.

so true!!!!
 

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Junior, I know he ran on a anti- homo agenda, but at the same time there are ALOT of conservative homosexuals who have anti-homosexual agendas, I'm not sticking up for Craig, personally I could care less.........but Frank and his cohorts do something 10X's worse and they keep their careers. So the dude might be a closet homosexual, thats not illegal.

Another thing, get off the "Mr. Hate" thing fuckhead everytime I come on here and express my point of view, trust me, you're the only "Mr. Hate" here.

Bwwaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa a

You are too funny Mr. Hate. Look at how angry you get from something someone you don't know typed on a message board. Look at you defending Craig, what a pathetic spectacle.

Oh, and your insane point that "there are a lot of conservative homosexuals who have anti-homosexual agendas" is asinine. If those people hold public office then they too are outrageous hypocrites and IMO don't deserve to be in positions of power. When you secretly are the thing your beliefs despise the most then you are not fit to hold public office, especially an office as powerful as Senator.

The fact that you attempt to deflect the disgrace that is Craig onto Frank is pure comedy although considering you're a father it's also somewhat sad.

BTW Mr. Hate, "ALOT" isn't one word, the correct way to spell it is to separate the a from lot, it's two words. As in, Mr. Hate has a lot of hate in his rhetoric.

Also, it's "I couldn't care less" not I could care less, saying the latter implies there are things that you care less about.

Craig Case: Congressional Arrogance at Work

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh hhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Look at this, another sad attempt to deflect attention away from the disgrace that is Craig and onto the other party. Notice how it's only Democrats in that article that they refer to? So not one Republican was stopped for speeding or DUI and let go or "unarrested"? Somehow I highly doubt it.

Oh, and you also might ask yourself what exactly that article has to do with a Conservative Senior Senator getting arrested for propositioning anonymous men for sex in a public restroom.

Another shameless and transparent deflection.

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Craig Case: Congressional Arrogance at Work
Friday, August 31, 2007 10:21 AM
Author: Ronald Kessler   


Watching Sen. Larry E. Craig’s press conference about his encounter with a police officer in an airport men’s room, I wondered how anyone could be so arrogant as to think he could credibly claim that his only mistake was to plead guilty to the charge stemming from the seamy incident.

Then I remembered "unarresting." Unarresting is not a term you will find in any law. It’s not in any dictionary. But it’s a term known to every officer of the Capitol Police.

Unarresting is what happens when a Capitol Police officer has the misfortune to learn, after having made an arrest, that the person charged is a member of Congress. In that case, a supervisor is called, and he drives the member of Congress home. No record is made of the arrest. In other words, it is covered up.

Of course, if a Capitol Police officer learns before an arrest that the suspect is a member of Congress, the process is much simpler: He never makes the arrest in the first place.

For my book "Inside Congress," former Capitol Police officers described on the record how the process works.

Steven E. Dekelbaum, a former Capitol Police officer who became a metropolitan police detective in Washington, said that one night when he was walking across a street near the Capitol on the green light, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy drove through a red light and almost ran him over.

“He was speeding. The speed limit was 25, and he was well over that,” Dekelbaum told me. “I jumped out of his way. I guess he looked in his rear-view mirror and said, ‘I almost hit a cop.’ He stopped. I approached the car. He reeked [of liquor]. . . I said, ‘Look, senator, you’re pretty drunk, and you almost ran me over.’ I said, ‘I don't want you to get any bad publicity.’ I was pretty diplomatic for a dumb 22-year-old. I knew I would get in trouble otherwise.”

Dekelbaum suggested that Kennedy park his car and take a taxi.

“He said, ‘You know, you’re right.’ I said, ‘I don't want you to kill anybody or kill yourself.’ By this time, the sergeant saw what was going on. He sees whom I’ve stopped. The sergeant literally grabbed me by my shoulder. He gave [Kennedy] his keys back. He said, ‘Do you know who that is?’ I said, ‘Yes.’”

The sergeant turned to Kennedy, apologized for the “inconvenience” and told him to get back in his car.

“The senator took off, and the sergeant started yelling at me, cussing me out,” Dekelbaum said. “I said, ‘You’re a f****** asshole. What happens if he goes down the street and kills somebody or kills himself? They’re going to see a cop stopped him. They can make me an accessory.”

“Too f****** bad,” the sergeant said. “Don’t ever do it again.”

“If you find a member doing something wrong, you unarrest him,” said Edward P. Percival, another former Capitol Police officer. “It happens all the time.”

“It was common practice to unarrest people because they were powerful or someone powerful intervened,” Terry Coons, a former Capitol Police officer, said. “You always considered what you were going to do with the idea, ‘If I arrest this person, what will happen later? What will the consequences of an arrest be on me?'”

“Congress never wanted the Capitol Police to be so professional that they would have the ability to investigate [the members],” former Capitol Police Sgt. John A. Gott told me. “If they kept us as their little private guards, we would never be a threat.”

Thus, when Sen. Patrick J. Kennedy, D-R.I., lost of his control of his car at 2:45 a.m. on May 6, 2006, almost rammed into a Capitol Police cruiser, and then hit a security barrier, Capitol Police suspected he was drunk but followed the book when encountering a member of Congress: Even though he was staggering and at one point almost fell over, they did not give him a sobriety test or Breathalyzer test. Nor did they arrest him. Instead, they drove him home.

Any other citizen would have spent the night in jail.

After the incident was leaked to the papers, the Capitol Police were forced to undo the cover-up. They eventually cited him, and Kennedy pleaded guilty to driving under the influence of prescription medication.

Of course, anyone in power is susceptible to arrogance. But members of Congress are a special case because they make the laws. From laws prohibiting employment discrimination and sexual harassment to the Freedom of Information Act, they often exempt themselves from the same rules and oversight they impose on the rest of the government and the country.

To be sure, Congress created its own mechanism for dealing with complaints by its own employees of discrimination and sexual harassment. But it is toothless. Unarresting is but another example of Congress carving out an exemption for itself.

Indeed, jeopardizing their own safety, members of Congress even order Capitol Police officers to let them enter congressional buildings without going through metal detectors or showing identification. Officers are supposed to memorize their faces but most admit they have no idea what the 535 voting members look like.

When one officer did not recognize then-Rep. Cynthia McKinney, D-Ga., on March 29, 2006, and asked her to go through a metal detector, she slugged him. Even though others witnessed the incident, she accused the officer of inappropriately touching a “female black congresswoman.”

“The ego and the arrogance of some of the members had an impact on me,” John R. Niston, a former Capitol Police officer, told me. “They get to the point where they think the people in the country exist to serve them instead of the other way around.”


© 2007 NewsMax. All rights reserved.

so true!!!!
 


Good article.  I have to add the "unarrested" to my dictionary.   :) 

Looks like he may be gone:

Well-placed GOP sources: Craig likely to quit soon 

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Several well-placed GOP sources in Washington and Idaho have told CNN that embattled Republican Sen. Larry Craig is likely to resign soon, possibly as early as Friday.

Republican Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho was arrested in June at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

GOP sources with knowledge of the situation told CNN's Dana Bash that the Republican National Committee was poised to take the extraordinary step of calling on Craig to resign but held off.

The RNC put the move on hold, the sources said, because top party leaders have received indications that Craig himself is preparing to step down.

Sources have confirmed that high-level meetings on the matter were being conducted in Idaho on Thursday.

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http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/31/craig.arrest/index.html

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Re: Craig Arrested, Pleads Guilty Following Incident in Airport Restroom
« Reply #73 on: August 31, 2007, 10:45:25 PM »
Here’s a clue:

I’m not in the closet so I (like most gay men) have no need to connect in public rest rooms.  I have no problems hooking up in a bar, getting set up by friends, running a personal ad (with my face showing), getting asked out in a gay gym, etc.  Public bathroom sex is for closeted bi--often married--guys who can’t accept their attraction to other men. 

I’m sure you are familiar with the type:  they patronize body building events, buy the magazines & videos and participate in on-line message boards about huge muscle men who oil up, wear thongs, and pose to music for your “entertainment.”  Sound familiar?  Have a look in the mirror... I'm sure you'll recognize him.   ;)
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Headhunter speaking the truth again.   :)  I agree.  Craig is a hypocrite, but he's also an individual, not an institution or a party.  You'll always have people, particularly those with an agenda, trying to make situations like this larger than what they really are.     

This from the man who had a kannipshit over a mutually consentual heterosexual liason that stained a blue dress?
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