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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #550 on: September 08, 2007, 12:54:34 PM »
hey colie, welcome to the thunderdome, bitch >:(

give your ass sniffing friend PT a call and ask him if he's been hanging out at the courthouse, staring at the British chick like all the other Portuguesians.

nah big c....

PT wouldn't be near ANY couthouses mate..... why do ya think he is in the hills of the algarve?


and did u see those pics he posted?   beautiful place to be....away from the rat race... (i'm gonna ask him for a lend of his pad for a week......bet he shoots his mosburgh over my head a few times...lol)
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« Reply #551 on: September 08, 2007, 02:30:40 PM »
Seeing as 'NYCbull' thinks we are going 'OT' a bit...................he re is some more satire, what with 9/11 ( year 6 )  in three days.

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« Reply #552 on: September 08, 2007, 03:00:24 PM »
Seeing as 'NYCbull' thinks we are going 'OT' a bit...................he re is some more satire, what with 9/11 ( year 6 )  in three days.

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Oh, god. Don't tell me you are a "Truther".

Did you know the Titanic disaster was an inside job, too? Go check it out here: Unfastened Coins

The moon landing was fake, too.  ::)


You are a funny guy, but you may be slightly developmentally disabled. Have you ever been tested by a social worker or teacher? Just curious.  ;)

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« Reply #553 on: September 08, 2007, 05:15:46 PM »
Have you ever been tested by a social worker or teacher? ;)

Have you ever been blown by anyone other than your mother, who felt sorry for you each Valentine's Day?


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« Reply #554 on: September 08, 2007, 05:17:17 PM »
Have you ever been blown by anyone other than your mother, who felt sorry for you each Valentine's Day?


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Yeah, your sister. She wanted to see what her shit tasted like after I fucked her ass.  ;D

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« Reply #555 on: September 08, 2007, 05:43:03 PM »
You've stooped to my level, Dustbuster!

Shame on y'all!


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« Reply #556 on: September 08, 2007, 05:45:24 PM »
You've stooped to my level, Dustbuster!

Shame on y'all!


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No my friend. I've stepped UP to your level.  ;)

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« Reply #557 on: September 08, 2007, 06:43:35 PM »
Ah! I stand corrected!

Good one, MB!


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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #558 on: September 08, 2007, 07:07:32 PM »
what the hell is going on here?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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« Reply #559 on: September 08, 2007, 07:24:41 PM »
Maybe Master Blaster and I have combined our might into a double-edged Sword with which to run you through.

You'd have to ask MB.


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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #560 on: September 08, 2007, 07:46:58 PM »
Maybe you guys should team up and be a broom and dust pan.


I think MB may nip heels if provoked ;)
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« Reply #561 on: September 09, 2007, 01:36:53 AM »
It is in the details of this evidence for the Apollo landings that the doubts
begin to accumulate.

Initially it might be sensible to outline what is not in doubt.

The Apollo programme must be viewed in the context of the time.  The 1960s were
a period of great political upheaval.  It was the height of the Cold War and the
Vietnam War was turning very unpleasant.  

In the Space Race The USA had been beaten to every major space first by the
Russians. America does not have the option of coming second to anyone hence the
dramatic challenge issued by JFK, in an address to the joint houses of Congress
May 1961, to 'land a man on the Moon before the decade is out'.  When JFK issued
his challenge no American had even been into orbit, yet there was already a
timetable in place for the challenge to be completed.

Astronauts from the Mercury and Gemini programmes have been sent into earth
orbit since John Glenn in 1962.  Similarly Russians cosmonauts spent many months
in extended earth orbit. Earth orbit is around 250 miles above the surface but
all flights and experiments are conducted well below the two Van Allen radiation
belts.  (There is a third belt now which was created by the extensive nuclear
tests known as Operation Starfish Prime, carried out by the USA in late 1962 at
a height of 250 miles above Johnston Island in the Pacific.  The largest was 1.4
Mton.  The USSR also conducted many tests at a similar height over Siberia).

The reported figure of 400,000 people who worked on the Apollo programme were
doing the very best job they could.  They were trying to fulfil their, by then,
dead President's challenge of 'landing a man on the Moon before the decade is
out and returning him safely to the Earth' (JFK, May 1961). They were building
the best rockets, landers, rovers, control centers, engines and all the many
thousands of items needed for a Moon landing.  All these are real and could do
the job they were designed to do to the extent that anyone understood the
conditions they were intended to operate under.

Getting to the Moon was not a problem, it was getting astronauts back alive that
was the difficult part.

The Saturn V rocket was certainly powerful enough to launch a 50 ton payload
into lunar orbit.  The launch of each Saturn V was observed by millions of
spectators.  Those launches were real enough as were the 3 astronauts strapped
into their CSM on the top of the rocket.  The recovery operation when the Apollo
module descended on its 3 parachutes into the Pacific was also as recorded.

The original unmanned craft sent to survey the Moon: the Ranger, Surveyor and
Orbiter craft did what was reported.  Incidently the Orbiter craft carried
cameras capable of resolving objects on the lunar surface down to 3 feet across,
and this in 1967.  The Clementine satellite launched in 1994 could only record
objects of 'half a kilometer'.

The Space Shuttle and the Space Station are for real as are all the reports
about their flights and construction.  I watched the Space Station orbit over
the UK recently.  


In no particular order the following could be considered some of the doubts:

1. The photographs and cameras.

Many photographs were published and distributed by NASA as evidence for the
Apollo programme in the late 1960s.  Given the conditions we know they were
supposedly taken under they are very good pictures indeed.  As such they could
be considered PR material for NASA to promote their space exploration programmes
to the US public who, through Congress, were paying for it all.  But were they
actually taken on the lunar surface?

It is important here to know the ability of Kodak Ektachrome film to record
details in shadow areas while at the same time recording details in the
highlights.  The accepted exposure range for this film is less than 1 stop.

The very harsh lighting on the Moon, being from the Sun and unfiltered by any
atmosphere, also produces very black shadow areas.  Even on earth photographers
need 'fill in flash' to record shadow detail.  On the Moon this requirement
would surely be even more a necessity.  No additional lighting nor reflectors
were carried on Apollo.  To then say that the reflection from the 'special lunar
surface' is sufficient to 'fill in' does not stand up to scrutiny.  There is an
observable inconsistency in the amount of 'fill in' seen in different
photographs.  Some have dense black shadows on the LM and other objects and some
have well 'filled in' shadow areas.

In the book Full Moon, by Michael Light and Andrew Chaikin, on page 51 there is
a picture of the Apollo 14 lander, Antares.  It is taken with the camera pointed
straight into the Sun yet the shadow side of the craft is fully illuminated and
the directly lit area of lunar surface around the lander is not overexposed.
Note also the 'jerry can' like object on the ground under the lander which is
well illuminated and has a highlight of light on it.  The shadow of the lander
extends for about 70 feet from the craft and is solid black with nothing visible
in it at all.  Other than a light source or reflector near the camera position I
cannot see how this picture could have been taken to show all the detail
visible.

Just a brief reference to the odd direction shadows on the Moon sometimes take.
In Full Moon on page 45 there is a picture taken  by Jack Schmitt (A17) showing
his own shadow as well as that of a small rock to his right.  The shadow of the
rock appears to be at right angles to Jack's shadow.  Assuming it to be
illuminated by the Sun both shadows should be parallel.  Here they are not.  It
is baffling.

I contend that the photographs supposedly taken on the lunar surface were in
fact professionally taken by NASA employees under a controlled environment on
earth to simulate the conditions assumed to exist on the Moon.  Most likely they
were taken during the extensive training and simulation exercises know to have
been carried out.

The cameras used were all Hasselblad 500EL (electric motor drive) made and
modified to NASA's requirements by Hasselblad of Sweden.  They had no
viewfinder, no exposure meter, manual setting of the focus, shutter and aperture
rings, a shutter button on the front of the camera body not visible from inside
a space helmet and  no visible nor audible means of knowing whether a picture
had actually been taken.  The small film counter, measuring about half an inch
in diameter, being on the side of the magazine could not be seen from inside the
helmet.  This camera was operated wearing a space suit with armoured gauntlets
pressurised at 5 psi in the vacuum of space.

Hasselblad UK have an example of the Apollo camera at their HQ in London.  I
handled this camera when I appeared on the Big Breakfast (UK TV program) with
Johnny Vaughan a few years ago.  I have also used a regular Hasselblad camera.
At the best of times they are not easy to control, but when mounted on a chest
support would be even more of a problem.  

Yet the pictures supposedly taken with all these limitations of use under what
were very extreme conditions on the Moon are some of the defining images of the
20th Century.  Correctly exposed, accurately focussed, well composed and no
heads cut off.  There are even several panoramas which overlap by just the right
amount.  This is very hard to achieve without a viewfinder to check the overlap.

The known limitations of the Apollo cameras mitigate against the excellent
results obtained with them.

The film used for the still images was Kodak Ektachrome transparency 160 ISO
film. The originals are stored in vaults at Houston.  They were duplicated once.
Every Apollo picture we have seen is taken from those duplicates.  Noone,
including Michael Light for his book Full Moon, has seen let alone handled the
originals.

The Hasselblad cameras all had a screen built into the camera body with 25
crosshairs etched onto it.  The centre crosshair was always the largest and
shows the centre of the picture. On the famous picture showing Aldrin as Man on
the Moon the large crosshair is below his right knee and well below the center
of the picture.  It is only when you look at a duplicated image supposedly
showing the whole film area from the original that you see the picture appears
to have been cropped before it was duplicated.  But this should not have
happened if the dupes were exact copies of the original.

The temperature range on the Moon of +250F to -250F would cause severe damage to
any film.

2. Radiation.  

All radiation in space is produced by the Sun.  Up to and including X-rays and
Gamma rays.  The Sun also throws out flares at unpredictable intervals and
strengths.  Due to the protection offered by the Van Allen radiation belts which
are held in place by the earths' magnetic field and stretch from 500 to 40,000+
miles above the earths surface we humans can live in reasonable comfort and
safety.  So long as we dont spend too long soaking up the rays...

Beyond the Van Allen belts humans are exposed to the full gamut of the Suns
energies and so would require some form of protection to survive.  I understand
that lead is particularly good for this.  We know that no lead shielding was
carried on Apollo so how were 27 astronauts able to survive a journey of several
days to and from the Moon?  To my knowledge none have suffered from any form of
radiation induced illness.

Logically their space suits would offer protection when the astronauts were on
the lunar surface.  So I contacted the manufacturers of the space suits, a
company called Hamilton Standard, and asked them what protection against
radiation was offered.  I also asked them, in view of the obvious success these
suits had in keeping the astronauts alive, could the same suits be used by
technicians to go into Chernobyl or Three Mile Island nuclear reators and clean
up the mess?  They said this would not be advisable in view of the fact that no
radiation protection was built into the suits.  They were made according to the
specification submitted by NASA and I should direct my query to NASA.  No reply.

All photographic film is fogged by exposure to radiation.  A few years ago when
passing through airport X-ray machines it was always advised that film be hand
searched and not put through the machines due to the dangers of fogging.  

In 2002 the producers of the new IMax film, about the construction of the Space
Station, recounted how their cameras with the 70mm film canisters attached had
to be taken up in the Space Shuttle in a lead lined box then passed to the
astronauts who were to do the actual filming for the 2 minutes allowed in each
magazine.  The camera had to be passed back to the Shuttle as soon as possible
'for protection against the dangers of radiation'.  All this was of course
happening below the Van Allen belts.

The Hasselblad cameras used on Apollo also carried 70mm roll film in their 120
exposure magazines.  There was no radiation protection possible on these
camereas nor on the magazines.  As all radiation is contained in the
electromagnetic spectrum it would enter the camera through the lens whenever a
picture was taken.  Yet none of the many thousands of photographs supposedly
taken on the lunar surface show any deterioration or damage due to radiation.
All these pictures were taken beyond any protection offered by the Van Allen
belts around earth and had been carried unprotected in the LM to and from the
Moon.

The Russians had told Bernard Lovell, (A well known UK astronomer) who had
tracked many of their craft in the 1960s with the Jodrell Bank radio telescope,
that they would not be sending any cosmonauts to the Moon until they could
ensure their protection from the dangers of radiation in space.

I had always assumed that both NASA and the Russians would have conducted
extensive testing to establish the dangers and levels of radiation in the Van
Allen belts and beyond, possible using monkeys, dogs and other animals as well
as sending geiger counters up.  I cannot find any reports which indicate that
this had happened before humans were sent to the Moon in 1968 on Apollo 8.

In April 2002 the new head of NASA, Sean O'Keefe, stated that one of the two
major objectives of his term in office was to research the dangers of solar
radiation in space to ensure the survival of humans travelling beyond earth.
This appears to be a retrograde step if on Apollo it really was so easy to go to
and from the Moon 'in the shirt sleeve environment' of the CSM, which also had
no protection against the more lethal emissions of radiation and flares from the
Sun.  During the time Apollo 16 was travelling to the Moon several flares were
recorded, certainly powerful enough to have adversely affected unprotected
humans.

3. Temperature.  

Space has no temperature until there is something in space, such as a space
craft, to be affected by the radiant energy of the Sun.  The reports from Apollo
11 that 'it was too cold to sleep' indicates that space is cold.  Yet the LM on
the lunar surface was exposed to the full energy of the Sun for 22 hours and
during the time Armstrong and Aldrin were inside the LM they were in an
breathable atmosphere at 5psi.  Have you tried getting back into your car when
you have left it parked in the sun during a hot summer day for a few hours?  The
interior will be almost too hot to touch.  Is the Moon really so different?

The LM only had a thin skin of aluminium yet was cold but reports from Skylab in
the early 1970s showed that it overheated severely despite spending half its
time in the earth's shadow.  These reported variations do not make sense.

When on the lunar surface the astronauts wore a PLSS which contained all their
life support systems and allowed them to be independent of the LM.  It included
the means to keep them cool.  This used a system of circulating water in pipes
around their body.  How was the heat then removed from the backpack?  One answer
could be the explosive decompression of water by venting it into space.  This
would have produced a very photogenic image around the astronaut, but no such
image exists that I can find.

Because space is a vacuum it is also a very good insulator.  The internal heat
generated by the astronauts just walking around as well as the radiant energy of
the Sun on their suits would very soon cause them to become distressed.  If
water was used to keep them cool it is possble to calculate the volume required
to remove a given amount of heat in order to maintain a reasonable temperature
of 80F inside the space suit.  The PLSS carried at most .5 gallon which would be
sufficient for about 20 mins EVA.  Not the 7 hours we were told Apollo 17
astronauts spent on the lunar surface before returning to the LM.

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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #562 on: September 09, 2007, 01:37:34 AM »
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4. Sound.  

A very well known commentary is that provided by Armstrong and Aldrin as they
landed their LM, the Eagle.  You can hear virtually every word both men speak.
Up to this point no one, including Armstrong had ever successfully flown and let
alone landed the LM.  Yet here they were doing something that was fraught with
extreme danger, their computor had already indicated an overload so Armstrong
had taken over manual control, but their voices were steady, unruffled and calm.  

The point is that you could hear them.  A few feet below them was a 10,000lb
thrust rocket engine (the same power as the engine used on a Harrier Jump Jet).
All rockets when firing are noisy and cause considerable vibrations which would
be transmitted thoughout the LM.  They could not have been wearing their space
suits, the small control buttons and switches on the LM control panel could not
be operated accurately wearing gauntlets, so the cabin of the LM had to have
been pressurised.  Sound travels in an atmosphere, but no hint of the rocket
motor is heard on their commentary nor is there any sign that they were doing
something where their lives could end at any time.  Certainly they were highly
trained and the 'best of the best' in terms of their ability to operate under
adverse conditions but they were still human.

There have been numerous occasions when the Apollo astronauts conducted training
and simulations exercises of all the operations they were expecting to carry
out.  These simulations, in real time, were recorded and filmed for future
reference and debriefings.  There was nothing secret about these training
exercises, in fact a life size replica of part of the Sea Tranquility was built
at Flagstaff AZ and was featured on the BBC TV series The Planets.

5. LM  

The shape of the LM was, to put it mildly, odd.  Lots of flat panels and sharp
corners.  Yet it had to withstand an internal pressure of 5psi in the vacuum of
space.  Compared to the loading limits in a modern warehouse at 200 lb/sqft the
pressure inside the LM was over 700 lb/sqft, using just thin aluminium sheets
and ribs.  The LM did not have to be aerodynamic to operate in space but its bug
like shape really stretches logic to its limits.  A better shape would have been
a sphere, similar to that being proposed by the Russians.


The launch of the LM from the lunar surface was filmed from the TV camera on the
lunar rover remotely operated from Houston.  Aside from there being a 2.5 second
time delay in signals to and from the Moon the LM is seen to take off and the
camera pans upwards to follow it as it returns to the CSM orbiting above.  

Initially there is a blast from the explosive bolts separating the 2 sections of
the LM then presumeably the ascent engine would fire.  It would be reasonable to
expect that a rocket engine when ignited would produce at the very least some
form of heat source visible from below as well as some exhaust gas.  But nothing
is seen coming from the LM.  No flame or visible heat from the rocket and no
exhaust gas.  

The fuel used in both stages of the LM was hypergolic.  There are 2 components
stored in separate tanks which ignite on contact without external aid. They are,
Nitrogen tetroxide, the oxidiser and Aerozene-50 (a blend of hydrazine and
unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine) the fuel.  This are the same components used
today for the Space Shuttle manoeuvering systems.  Flames can clearly be seen
whenever the Shuttle thrusters are fired, so the question must be asked is why
there is nothing visible at all when the ascent stage of the LM was fired and
then tracked upwards on TV.


6. The Rocks.  

Much is made of the rocks as evidence that Apollo went to the Moon and returned
with 840 lbs of Moon rock.  Many universities around the world examined these
'rocks' and reported in various detailed technical summaries their findings.  I
have read some of these reports.  What is not so widely known is that each team
received just a small sample of dust weighing a few grams.  It was received from
NASA in a box marked Moon Rock and NASA paid for the research time and
facilities used.  At least 600lbs of the Apollo rocks are still locked in the
vaults at Houston and have never seen the light of day.  Close examination of
some of the many meteorites recovered from Antartica has shown their origin as
being from outside earth.

It is not in dispute that the Russians did successfully send unmanned craft to
the Moon which returned with a total of 300 grams of lunar material.  Much of
the evidence for the differencies between Moon rock and Earth rock could very
well have a scientific basis.  It is possible that the material examined was
Russian and not American.  

7.  Where are all the Lunar Rovers?  

This was the title of an article in The Sunday Times by Jeremy Clarkson.  It is
a good question.  There are no independantly verifiable pictures of any of the 6
landers, 3 rovers or any of the other equipment supposedly left on the Moon by
the Apollo programme.  There are no pictures taken from the orbiting CSM of the
LMs showing a before and after image of the LM on the surface.  None from the
Clementine satellite.  None from Hubble.  None from any ground based telescopes.
In fact there is nothing to show any landings on the lunar surface ever took
place....except that offered by NASA.

It is now 30 years since Apollo 17 and noone has been near the Moon again.  It
really is not very far away (compared to Mars) and if Apollo was such a
straightforward exercise using the technology of the 1960s it is most surprising
that nothing has been planned since.  It is rather like Chistopher Columbus
coming back from rediscovering America in 1492 and everyone else then saying,
"Oh well, now that Chris has been there's not much point in anyone else going.
Nothing new to find.  Let's all stay at home and watch the Inquisition."  We
know that is not what happened.  What is different about humans going to the
Moon?

So why didn't the Russians blow the whistle?  This is the question I get asked
most often when I do presentations of this material.  

Who in the Russian space programme would have had, not only the technical
knowledge to know that what was broadcast by the USA was more than likely to be
a fabrication, but also the political access to the Politbureau of the time and
be able to persuade them of his information?  The communist system of government
was very different from the democracies of the West.  What would they have said?

Sergei Korolev, the 'Chief Designer' behind the success of so much of what had
already taken place, had died suddenly in 1967.  The whole Russian space
programme was now stalled and riven with competing factions trying to gain
ascendancy.  Noone had reached the top.  Most likely there was noone in a
position to argue the fairly detailed case for there being a fraud committed on
the whole world.

You may also recall that at around the same time the Russian wheat harvest had
failed for 2 years due to drought.  The USA supplied the USSR with 25 million
tons of wheat each year to ensure a regular source of basic food.  Without doubt
a very generous gesture, but could it have come with a hidden price?

A better question would be, why did noone in the West blow the whistle?  Why did
no photographer come forward to question the pictures?  Why did no scientist
come forward to question the ability of humans to survive the dangers of
radiation in deep space with no evident protection?  They had access to
newspapers and television.  

The answer is that people have questioned much of the Apollo programme but noone
really wanted to believe that they had been seriously misled so it was all
ignored and dismissed.  Now that the emotion of the event has passed we can
examine the details of Apollo dispassionately and hopefully more objectively.



Summary.  

None of the above 'proves' that noone went to, landed and walked on the Moon.
It just questions whether the way in which we have all been told the Apollo
landings happened actually took place exactly the way we have been told.

At best what might have happened is that everything we have been told is true:
Apollo was launched, went into lunar orbit, LM landed, astronauts get out, walk
about, take pictures and go home. The pictures are developed but they are all
fogged and useless.  Someone might have then said, "S**t, we forgot about the
radiation!  Hey, you remember those pictures we did on the training exercises.
Let's use those.  Noone else has been to the Moon.  Noone will know the
difference."  If that is what happened I have no problem with it as an
explanation if that is what we had been told.  But we were told all the pictures
were taken on the lunar surface.  I contend they could not have been for the
reasons listed above.

At worst all the Apollo craft were launched just as we witnessed and then went
into earth orbit.  And stayed there for however long the mission lasted.  Then
returned by splashdown as recorded.  All the 'missions' were then transmitted
using the simulation exercise recordings intercut with some 'live' chat from the
CSM and LM.

I calculate that at most 50 people would have had knowledge of such a possible
deception at the time.  All the astronauts were military men, including
Armstrong, and would have been bound by their oaths of office for life.  They
will not let each other down so none of them will break ranks.  The esprit de
corps and integrity of all US military personel is such that when their
Commander in Chief, The President, gives the order to jump their only question
will be, " How high, Sir?"  (Nixon was US President at the time of Apollo)

We only have the word of NASA that what we heard and saw from Apollo was an
accurate and faithful record of the events of Apollo as they occured live on TV
and subsequently were published in books and magazines around the world.  I do
not know, and realistically have no means of proving whether there has been any
manipulation or alteration of the evidence presented by NASA as the record of
Apollo.  I have examined all the evidence available to me and have tried to
reach a conclusion based on the circumstances and technology known to have been
used.  

To date I can only conclude that it is beyond reasonable doubt that some
manipulation of the Apollo record has occured.

Questions - question................ ..

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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #563 on: September 09, 2007, 03:38:05 AM »
A message sent to 'MB' - just so we all know the gauntlet has been thrown down.

Message................

‘MB’ take the time to read post 561 + 562, then answer 1 or more of the questions raised, if you can that is !!.

QUOTE ~ Albert Einstein.

To dismiss and ridicule without, thorough  investigation, is the height of arrogance and stupidity............

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So i am a 'truther' as you refer to the classification, if that is meant as ridicule i can only warn you that you should......
Mind what you say to people who know their subject !!.

PT ( i will refrain from the ‘SAIDA’, as i know it bothers you ).


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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #564 on: September 09, 2007, 03:45:51 AM »
A message sent to 'MB' - just so we all know the gauntlet has been thrown down.

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‘MB’ take the time to read post 561 + 562, then answer 1 or more of the questions raised, if you can that is !!.

QUOTE ~ Albert Einstein.

To dismiss and ridicule without, thorough  investigation, is the height of arrogance and stupidity............

www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=165255.msg2357061#new

So i am a 'truther' as you refer to the classification, if that is meant as ridicule i can only warn you that you should......
Mind what you say to people who know their subject !!.

PT ( i will refrain from the ‘SAIDA’, as i know it bothers you ).


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if the technology to land on the moon was available in the 60's....surely we should have ppl living up there by now.... but no....those fucking heat tiles keep falling off!   wtf?      there is no logic to it whatsoever
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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #565 on: September 09, 2007, 06:57:31 PM »
PT, didn't we discuss the whole multiple paragraph thing? gives me a headache. If you want to write a book, then by all means, write away. This is getbig and nobody here wants to read your pages of crap.

Don't you have some dope to transport or something? Maybe you should be down at the courthouse staring at the building with all the other people.
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #566 on: September 10, 2007, 12:33:19 AM »
PT, didn't we discuss the whole multiple paragraph thing? gives me a headache. If you want to write a book, then by all means, write away. This is getbig and nobody here wants to read your pages of crap.

Don't you have some dope to transport or something? Maybe you should be down at the courthouse staring at the building with all the other people.

Sorry BigC - it was for 'Plaster caster' though, out of interest did you read it ??.
Oh, and i never get my hands dirty, i am more what you would call an orchestrator ( behind the scenes, so to speak ).
You never see the 'Rothschilds' on the Sky-Jews do you, no !!, they let the Bush clan be the face men............
"First rule of fight club is"..........."YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB".

Never be seen in public doing what you do.............do some reading on 'dialectics'.

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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #567 on: September 10, 2007, 03:52:45 AM »
One more day to go folks.........

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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #568 on: September 11, 2007, 04:04:44 AM »
**BUMP**.

Happy anniversary Amerikkka............... .......your Police state is in the post 'BTW' !!, enjoy.............

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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #569 on: September 11, 2007, 04:48:53 AM »
Douch bag ??.

This 95 kg @ 8% BF would love to see you get in the ring mate.
Been doing Jujitsu as long as i have weights ( well over 12 years ).

With a dislocated jaw / shoulder / knee, i don’t see you talking much shit to me, bad boy !!.

Or would you need to bring you .9mm with you big man ??>

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You scary man!  >:(

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« Reply #570 on: September 11, 2007, 08:51:17 AM »
You scary man!  >:(

That was on, like, page 4 or something.............bi t late for this thread ain't ya.

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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #571 on: September 11, 2007, 09:06:22 AM »
Hey, TopTraining...

You musta been up all fuckin' night thinking up that clever username.

Assbag.

And there goes Gay-os again with his no-one-here-wants-to, instead of just I-don't-want-to.

Why you need to draw a crowd around you when you make these statements, Gay-os?

You lack the courage of your convictions?


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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #572 on: September 11, 2007, 12:11:28 PM »
Hey, TopTraining...

You musta been up all fuckin' night thinking up that clever username.

Assbag.

And there goes Gay-os again with his no-one-here-wants-to, instead of just I-don't-want-to.

Why you need to draw a crowd around you when you make these statements, Gay-os?

You lack the courage of your convictions?


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hey TT ...what's your stats mucker?



me?   

i'm 260lbs at 9%....yeeeeharrrr cowboy!
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« Reply #573 on: September 11, 2007, 12:47:01 PM »
You forgot height Colie, make the image come alive!


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Re: Try Again...
« Reply #574 on: September 11, 2007, 03:07:09 PM »
You forgot height Colie, make the image come alive!


TNBT

i'm embarassed about my stature TNBT...

5' 4'' aint that big mate.....


but hey....i can lift a truck if i want....so fuck it...
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