first cycle advice

[wincjw]

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Im looking to gain quality mass on this cycle, and am torn between which would be the most effective out of 1) or 2). What would be the notable differences between the 2 cycles effects, which is the most effective for mass gain? + Also which cycle's gains are easier to maintain afterwards?

1) Test-enanthate with Deca:
-Test- enanthate- 500mg/week, weeks 1-8
- Deca - 200mg/week, weeks 1-8
- Clomid 50mg/day, weeks 12-14

or

2) Test-enanthate with dianabol:
-Test- enanthate- 500mg/week, weeks 1-10
- Dianabol 30mg/day, weeks 1-6
- Clomid 50mg/day, weeks 13-15




Thanks for your help guys.

[Rimbaud]

I say start with cycle #2 & then try something like #1 next time around.

[Arnold jr]

I say start with cycle #2 & then try something like #1 next time around.

What he said.

BTW, make your PCT start around 2wks after last injection, not 1 month after.

[wincjw]

Would it be wise to include nolva with my clomid?

[RDW]

Would it be wise to include nolva with my clomid?

Not any need to combine the two really allthough some do.  You could have nolva on hand incase of too much water retention or gyno (you can use clomid for this as well but nolva has less sides).  Anyway I think you will see an overall kept gain from both to be about the same, you will probably gain a little more with the dbol initially, but lose a little more.  You could also safely bump the deca to 300/week for a first cycle, I'm of the opinion anything less thatn 300/wk doesn't do much, but everyone responds differently.  If you are over 200lbs I'd definately go to 300 though.  As AJ said I'd start the PCT 2 weeks after not 4.

[wincjw]

thanks for the pointers everyone. Im swinging towards the test and d-bol at the moment, simply cause i can get it cheaper. Im currently at 215lb after 3 years natural training. Would a 15lb - 20lb gain on the second cycle be realistic?

[wincjw]

need lower test 250mg, double the deca doses or use boldabol instead of deca
clomid regime look fine

why the lower test? Did you suggest this for both cycles? Or just the deca one?

[wincjw]

i hate test personally but Do whatever you want..

How come man?!

[krazee]

How come man?!

Second that, why do you hate test...and is it every kind or just a particular.

[Rimbaud]

BTW, make your PCT start around 2wks after last injection, not 1 month after.

I forgot to say that. Two weeks after the last shot start your PCT. You may want to use Nolva instead - I've noticed less sides with Nolva then Clomid.

[RDW]

need lower test 250mg, double the deca doses or use boldabol instead of deca
clomid regime look fine

Lowering Test to 250mg/week is approaching Hormone Replacement Theropy levels.  It is pointless to suppress HPTA with HRT level injections... Minimum Test cycles should be 400mg or you are unnecesarily doing harm to your bodies natural functions for nothing.  Obviously very small men and women (who find it necessary) could use lower doses but in general I would never go below 400mg/week.

[musclehedz]

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Im looking to gain quality mass on this cycle, and am torn between which would be the most effective out of 1) or 2). What would be the notable differences between the 2 cycles effects, which is the most effective for mass gain? + Also which cycle's gains are easier to maintain afterwards?

1) Test-enanthate with Deca:
-Test- enanthate- 500mg/week, weeks 1-8
- Deca - 200mg/week, weeks 1-8
- Clomid 50mg/day, weeks 12-14

or

2) Test-enanthate with dianabol:
-Test- enanthate- 500mg/week, weeks 1-10
- Dianabol 30mg/day, weeks 1-6
- Clomid 50mg/day, weeks 13-15




Thanks for your help guys.

I'm almost done with cycle nr 2. Gained 25 pounds so far. 3 more weeks to go.

[wincjw]

I'm almost done with cycle nr 2. Gained 25 pounds so far. 3 more weeks to go.

Damn thats good gains. Have you been gaining that evenly throughtout the time you've been on?