Bodybuilding Advice for Kamali

[biceps]

I agree with some of what you say, but most of the mistakes that are made are the last minute magical manipulations  that guys make that they "think" will make a huge difference but in reality make them look worse. It's more commom sense than rocket science.

I totally agree, the last minute carb manipulation is when all the hard work for the last 12 to 14 weeks before a show  is vested. (Note: DJ)

[Van_Bilderass]

NOTHING in those posts explains the "big gut syndrome". Overconsumption of carbs make you fat - DUH! So does the overconsumption of ANY macronutrient.

I'm not saying insulin doesn't cause it but the explanation of the mechanism that causes otherwise lean individuals to have big bellies wasn't here.

[Van_Bilderass]

When the liver stores are full,and a considerable amount of excess insulin-carried glucose is in the bloodstream, it will be stored as fat in adipose tissue. Unlike liver, fat cells store blood glucose quite rapidly. (BIG STOMECH BB) N

Conversion of carbs to bodyfat doesn't happen readily in humans. Carbs aren't easily stored as bodyfat. The term used for conversion of carbs to bodyfat is called de novo lipogenesis. It only occurs under very special circumstances.

[Master Blaster]

He should shave even more of his unibrow off, go for the retard sympathy vote. 

[biceps]

Conversion of carbs to bodyfat doesn't happen readily in humans. Carbs aren't easily stored as bodyfat. The term used for conversion of carbs to bodyfat is called de novo lipogenesis. It only occurs under very special circumstances.

Corect it dont hapens over night it happen over of period of time. I am talking about same body taking  15 IU Insulin post workout and takes 15o g simple sugar that is 600 calories all simple sugar, Note: if the carbohydrates ingested are ready simple sugars will be taken up into the blood rapidly,that will make the blood sugar too high. Glucose can only be taken up by muscle tissue and the liver at a gradual rate so the surplus of glucose will bypass the two, and be rapidly stored in fat cells.

[biceps]

NOTHING in those posts explains the "big gut syndrome". Overconsumption of carbs make you fat - DUH! So does the overconsumption of ANY macronutrient.

I'm not saying insulin doesn't cause it but the explanation of the mechanism that causes otherwise lean individuals to have big bellies wasn't here.

 Is possible that is more than one factor, (this is only my opinion from the time I was experimenting with Insulin), over eating carbs, proteins, my Insulin level was higher then normal at resting time so I had to take in more carbs, Cortisol level higher then normal, stress increase cortisol level (any cain of stress) can  over eating  cause stress on your body?I say yes,  Continuously high Cortisol levels can cause Cushing`s syndromes. Than I had to add extra 6 weeks to my normally 14 week pre contest preparation to reduse the internally fat around my stomach. It is very hard to use existing medical and scientific sources for bb because is to much chemicals involved. By western scientist too much protein intake may cause liver or kidney disorder. However a study conducted in Romania showed that high protein diets for strenght trained (weight lifters) individuals appear to relatively safe.
I am not a scientist, I read medical books for my own knowledge, I am just shering with the Getbigers on what I read.

[G o a t b o y]

NOTHING in those posts explains the "big gut syndrome". Overconsumption of carbs make you fat - DUH! So does the overconsumption of ANY macronutrient.

I'm not saying insulin doesn't cause it but the explanation of the mechanism that causes otherwise lean individuals to have big bellies wasn't here.

It makes no sense that a person can have almost zero subcutaneous fat while simultaneously having shitloads of visceral fat...  the body doesn't work that way.  Organ enlargement has to be part or most of it.  If someone can explain otherwise, please feel free.

[biceps]

Tomorrow I will start posting The Mechanism of Protein Metabolism

[Van_Bilderass]

It makes no sense that a person can have almost zero subcutaneous fat while simultaneously having shitloads of visceral fat...  the body doesn't work that way.  Organ enlargement has to be part or most of it.  If someone can explain otherwise, please feel free.

Yes, that's true. Though some, like Disgusted, feel the insulin makes you hold visceral fat even when very lean. It's a theory; we'd need some type of scans to see if that's really the case.

If it's visceral fat it seems to me it should be totally reversible really, unless some extreme pathology like diabetes or whatever had already developed.

[G o a t b o y]

Yes, that's true. Though some, like Disgusted, feel the insulin makes you hold visceral fat even when very lean. It's a theory; we'd need some type of scans to see if that's really the case.

Insulin is a storage hormone, but it doesn't lead to visceral fat buildup in the absence of subcutaneous fat in normal people, why would it in bodybuilders?  Not only that, but in a hypocaloric state fat buildup or retention, visceral or otherwise, shouldn't be possible.

[Van_Bilderass]

Is possible that is more than one factor, (this is only my opinion from the time I was experimenting with Insulin), over eating carbs, proteins, my Insulin level was higher then normal at resting time so I had to take in more carbs,

That's the problem with blaming insulin. Of course you are going to put on bodyfat if you eat over maintenance and over what is needed for muscle growth.

But lets say you do only post workout shots and only eat enough carbs to cover the insulin, the rest of the time you keep carbs/calories low. You could do this on a contest diet even while keeping total calories below maintenance. Will the insulin still make you store visceral fat in this situation?

[biceps]

It makes no sense that a person can have almost zero subcutaneous fat while simultaneously having shitloads of visceral fat...  the body doesn't work that way.  Organ enlargement has to be part or most of it.  If someone can explain otherwise, please feel free.

It is a combination of fat and organ enlargement to much HGH, Insulin and calories, it happened to me and I stop mediately. It hapens only to the once that they think more is better. This is only my opinion.

[Van_Bilderass]

Insulin is a storage hormone, but it doesn't lead to visceral fat buildup in the absence of subcutaneous fat in normal people, why would it in bodybuilders?  Not only that, but in a hypocaloric state fat buildup or retention, visceral or otherwise, shouldn't be possible.

I agree totally.

Though let's say you are extremely insulin resistant due to high dosages of hGH for example. Could it be possible to get that type of fat distribution (low subq and high visceral)?

[biceps]

That's the problem with blaming insulin. Of course you are going to put on bodyfat if you eat over maintenance and over what is needed for muscle growth.

But lets say you do only post workout shots and only eat enough carbs to cover the insulin, the rest of the time you keep carbs/calories low. You could do this on a contest diet even while keeping total calories below maintenance. Will the insulin still make you store visceral fat in this situation?

No will not store visceral fat. If I would try Insulin againt I would do totally different, First I would not take HGH and I would use Insulin only twice per week. This is not a recommendation.

[biceps]

One thing for sure the bigstomach started before the Insulin use, it started with the high doze use of HGH, it just start to get bigger with the added Insulin.

[G o a t b o y]

One thing for sure the bigstomach started before the Insulin use, it started with the high doze use of HGH, it just start to get bigger with the added Insulin.

An interesting question would be are there any pros who have used AAS and insulin, but not GH? 

That would still not answer the question of what the guts are made of, since GH has been implicated in both organ growth and insulin resistance, but it would clearly identify the causative agent.

[biceps]

An interesting question would be are there any pros who have used AAS and insulin, but not GH? 

That would still not answer the question of what the guts are made of, since GH has been implicated in both organ growth and insulin resistance, but it would clearly identify the causative agent.

I hope this information will put as closer to find out the mystery of big stomach.

   EDEMA
List of symptoms:
Water retention
Generalized edema
Puffiness
ABDOMINAL BLOATING
Swelling

Causes of Edema: Drug, Medication or Substance abuses the list has 502 listing, Anabolic Steroids, Chorionic Gonadotrophin Human, Humatrope (HGH), all the Humalogs and Humalin
are on the list. We talking about abuse not use.

DIABETES MELLITUS
In type 2 DM if found a combination of resistance to Insulin action and an inadequate secretory response. The question is forsing artificially insulin in the human body can induses type 2 DM?

[WOOO]

I thought Howie was going to get in shape?

round is a shape

[davidleiper]

I hope this information will put as closer to find out the mystery of big stomach.

   EDEMA
List of symptoms:
Water retention
Generalized edema
Puffiness
ABDOMINAL BLOATING
Swelling

Causes of Edema: Drug, Medication or Substance abuses the list has 502 listing, Anabolic Steroids, Chorionic Gonadotrophin Human, Humatrope (HGH), all the Humalogs and Humalin
are on the list. We talking about abuse not use.

DIABETES MELLITUS
In type 2 DM if found a combination of resistance to Insulin action and an inadequate secretory response. The question is forsing artificially insulin in the human body can induses type 2 DM?

Edema (or oedema as we spell it in the UK) is characterised by fluid retention. It can occur subcutaneously or indeed in viscera. However its distribution will be generally dictated by gravity. Thus it is extrememly unlikely that you could have abdominal oedema when standing without also having oedama extending upwards form the foot. As a medical practitioner of many years, I certainly  have  never seen it.

Indeed the clinical picture of oedema is not what one sees on a bodybuilder in contest condition. My own thoughts are a combination of the HGH and to some extent the insulin.

Just my 2 pennies.

[biceps]

Edema (or oedema as we spell it in the UK) is characterised by fluid retention. It can occur subcutaneously or indeed in viscera. However its distribution will be generally dictated by gravity. Thus it is extrememly unlikely that you could have abdominal oedema when standing without also having oedama extending upwards form the foot. As a medical practitioner of many years, I certainly  have  never seen it.

Indeed the clinical picture of oedema is not what one sees on a bodybuilder in contest condition. My own thoughts are a combination of the HGH and to some extent the insulin.

Just my 2 pennies.

Being a medical practitioner my question is, do you think is possible to create temporally a type 2 DM with to much of insulin use?

[Van_Bilderass]

Being a medical practitioner my question is, do you think is possible to create temporally a type 2 DM with to much of insulin use?

Don't forget the GH when talking about severe insulin resistance. Then add in the thermogenics and steroids which can also contribute to IR. My guess is that high dose GH causes more IR than say a once daily, post workout, insulin shot.

[Tigerman]

I agree with some of what you say, but most of the mistakes that are made are the last minute magical manipulations  that guys make that they "think" will make a huge difference but in reality make them look worse. It's more commom sense than rocket science.

Disgusted, I see what you're saying, the bloating sometimes comes from the carb loading and the other last minute tricks. However bloating is only one aspect of expanding waistlines of bodybuilders. They actually grow very thick obliques (Palumbo, King, Ronnie and others). Is GH the reason for that? Or the heavy powerlifting movements?

[youandme]

Retire from bbing. It's the best thing you can do. face it Shariat, you're not getting any younger, you've got a kid on the way, and your current "career" is getting on stage pumped up, oiled up, semi nude, for a crowd of men.


It's time to look for some real work. A real career. Toilet scrubber, road kill picker-upper, burger flipper, bus boy, anything.



Here, let me help you out:

LMFAO, "pop lock and drop it" looks like that will know be Derek A theme song

[Disgusted]

Disgusted, I see what you're saying, the bloating sometimes comes from the carb loading and the other last minute tricks. However bloating is only one aspect of expanding waistlines of bodybuilders. They actually grow very thick obliques (Palumbo, King, Ronnie and others). Is GH the reason for that? Or the heavy powerlifting movements?

The word bloat means a lot of different things, but like I said many times before insulin is the main reason for guts.

[haider]

Retire from bbing. It's the best thing you can do. face it Shariat, you're not getting any younger, you've got a kid on the way, and your current "career" is getting on stage pumped up, oiled up, semi nude, for a crowd of men.


It's time to look for some real work. A real career. Toilet scrubber, road kill picker-upper, burger flipper, bus boy, anything.



Here, let me help you out:

lol, why so personal dude.. live and let live