The real reason Fedor won't fight in the UFC

[realkarateblackbelt]

And who were the "top talent" you are referring to?

Lewis, and Holyfield.

[Eric15210]

the real reason Fedor is ducting UFC

[Slapper]

Lewis, and Holyfield.

Lewis? Holyfield? You mean the two fighters who shitted all over their pants eveytime the name Tyson was mentioned only to develop the guts to fight him when an unknown punching bag opened up the flood gates and showed everyone how to stop Mike?

In his prime, Mike Tyson was the baddest boxer in the planet. ANY criticism you may lay on the man can only be, in my opinion, on the one-dimensionality of his game: Charge forward and hit hard. IN NO CASE, that I remember, did he reject fighting anyone. Not a single soul. He even beat the shit out of Mitch Green, the one-toothed, Billy Ocean look-alike. That is street hall of fame stuff my man!! 

[Wanocki]

I think a big reason Mirko is looking bad is the drug testing they do in the UFC.

I agree with you here.  He does look a little smaller.  Maybe he doesn't know how to beat the tests.

[Wanocki]

Why does everyone discount what Napao did TO MIRKO.  He pressed the action, secured the takedown, and gave him a good GNP.  The GNP is what left Mirko dazed before the head kick.  Mirko actually looked at the clock prior to getting KTFO. 

i don't discount that.  I just point out the fact that mirko stood there for a full 2 minutes without throwing a punch or kick and looked nothing like the ultra aggressive fighter that destroyed wanderlei and barnett exactly one year ago today.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Lewis? Holyfield? You mean the two fighters who shitted all over their pants eveytime the name Tyson was mentioned only to develop the guts to fight him when an unknown punching bag opened up the flood gates and showed everyone how to stop Mike?

In his prime, Mike Tyson was the baddest boxer in the planet. ANY criticism you may lay on the man can only be, in my opinion, on the one-dimensionality of his game: Charge forward and hit hard. IN NO CASE, that I remember, did he reject fighting anyone. Not a single soul. He even beat the shit out of Mitch Green, the one-toothed, Billy Ocean look-alike. That is street hall of fame stuff my man!! 

  Why don't you just suck his dick already?

His claim to fame is big ko's over a stream of "tomato cans" (his words), and an inflated light-heavyweight.

Holyfield and Lewis were out of his league, and made him look like a child everytime.

[Fury]

the real reason Fedor is ducting UFC

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Good one. 

[MoralMan]

Why don't you just suck his dick already?

His claim to fame is big ko's over a stream of "tomato cans" (his words), and an inflated light-heavyweight.

Holyfield and Lewis were out of his league, and made him look like a child everytime.

Bullshit, Tyson 1986-1990 would have beaten both Lewis and Holyfield.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Bullshit, Tyson 1986-1990 would have beaten both Lewis and Holyfield.

I guess I'll have to take your word for it.
Maybe if the stars aligned just right, and the tarot predicted it, he would win.

[Slapper]

Bullshit, Tyson 1986-1990 would have beaten both Lewis and Holyfield.

I concur. Mike would beat both, in the ring, at the same time.

The man was way ahead of everyone. No one, not a single soul, until Buster came along, knew how to fight him. You had people like Bruno, who, supposedly, was going to "teach him how to box", singing "La Cucaracha" by the time the Brit came to his senses and realised all the blood on the canvas was his.

Mike was a beast of a boxer... as well as a dickhead (moreso in his later years).

[Wanocki]

I concur. Mike would beat both, in the ring, at the same time.

The man was way ahead of everyone. No one, not a single soul, until Buster came along, knew how to fight him.

buster was the only one willing to stand toe to toe and fight him at that point and look what happened, tyson lost

[Geo]

Bullshit, Tyson 1986-1990 would have beaten both Lewis and Holyfield.

you're mixing apples and oranges here

lewis did'nt turn pro until 89 and holy did'nt leave the cruisers until 88...

at tysons peak (in 88) I'd give him a chance to beat lennox at his peak (96-00) only because lennox has always been chinny, but based on how evander owned mike when they finally fought I think there probably never was a time when mike was gonna beat holy........holy would have been the first to take the fight to mike instead of buster

[realkarateblackbelt]

you're mixing apples and oranges here

lewis did'nt turn pro until 89 and holy did'nt leave the cruisers until 88...

at tysons peak (in 88) I'd give him a chance to beat lennox at his peak (96-00) only because lennox has always been chinny, but based on how evander owned mike when they finally fought I think there probably never was a time when mike was gonna beat holy........holy would have been the first to take the fight to mike instead of buster

Not only did he beat Tyson TWICE, and at the age of 35; Holyfield also fought and beat George Foreman when he was still a beast.
Tyson was never in Holyfield's league. In an age in which people claim they toss aside the bullshit, it's amazing how they still buy into the Tyson myth.

[trab]

Not only did he beat Tyson TWICE, and at the age of 35; Holyfield also fought and beat George Foreman when he was still a beast.
Tyson was never in Holyfield's league. In an age in which people claim they toss aside the bullshit, it's amazing how they still buy into the Tyson myth.

Forman was a has-been allready, unfair compare.
Also, before you comment, have you watched Mike Tyson's Greatest Hits on EPN?
The Slow-mo of all his KOs in particular?
Has anyone else honestly had thet power and skills combo ever?

And the scene of Forman on the heavy bag in When We were kings? Awesome. Adrenaline Goosebumps.

ANd BTW, how'z your new "Partner". 
 Oh me dumb on thet one.....

[realkarateblackbelt]

Forman was a has-been allready, unfair compare.
Also, before you comment, have you watched Mike Tyson's Greatest Hits on EPN?
The Slow-mo of all his KOs in particular?
Has anyone else honestly had thet power and skills combo ever?

And the scene of Forman on the heavy bag in When We were kings? Awesome. Adrenaline Goosebumps.

ANd BTW, how'z your new "Partner". 
 Oh me dumb on thet one.....

That's the point. Tank Abbot used to get big Kos all the time, but he's not that great.
Tyson's style only worked against lower level competition. His bullrushing, powerpuncher shit...
didn't fly against Holyfield. Holyfield is a super talent.

[americanbulldog]

That's the point. Tank Abbot used to get big Kos all the time, but he's not that great.
Tyson's style only worked against lower level competition. His bullrushing, powerpuncher shit...
didn't fly against Holyfield. Holyfield is a super talent.

WRONG AGAIN.  Tyson wasn't effective because of bullrushing.  He used a Cus D'Amato patented peek a boo defense, with a jab to penetrate the taller fighters reach and used body shots to open up his power punches.  When he lost Rooney as his trainer and went under Don King's management, he became a one punch head hunter. 

But according to your infinite wisdom, power is the only ingredient necessary.   

[realkarateblackbelt]

Wouldn't have mattered.
I'm aware that he used a peek-a-boo defense at the height of his success (when he fought tomato cans.); Holyfield was an Olympic boxer. He beat the man twice. You guys create elaborate scenarios in which Tyson would win, but he lost...TWICE!!!!! HAHAHAA

[americanbulldog]

Wouldn't have mattered.
I'm aware that he used a peek-a-boo defense at the height of his success (when he fought tomato cans.); Holyfield was an Olympic boxer. He beat the man twice. You guys create elaborate scenarios in which Tyson would win, but he lost...TWICE!!!!! HAHAHAA

I am glad he lost both times, Tyson was a bully and a thug, but the fighter who fought Holyfield both times was a head hunter, and didn't set up his right hand with body shots.  Holyfield out fought Tyson technically, even though Tyson clearly had the strength advantage.  Now pleas don't tell me Evander was more powerful than Tyson. 

[realkarateblackbelt]

There's no need to discuss this...Tyson lost to Holyfield twice. He lost to Lewis.

Everything else is just the speculation of a few Tyson fanboys.

[Geo]

Holyfield out fought Tyson technically, even though Tyson clearly had the strength advantage.  Now pleas don't tell me Evander was more powerful than Tyson. 

I think evander flat out "out toughed" tyson in that first fight,that's what was so surprising to me

[americanbulldog]

I think evander flat out "out toughed" tyson in that first fight,that's what was so surprising to me

Easy to cover your head when you opponent forgets he can hit the body. 

[Geo]

Easy to cover your head when you opponent forgets he can hit the body. 

just read mikes pleading guilty to possesion and he's going back in to do a little stretch

[americanbulldog]

just read mikes pleading guilty to possesion and he's going back in to do a little stretch

Take the boy out of the hood, can't take the hood out of the boy. 

[Slapper]

buster was the only one willing to stand toe to toe and fight him at that point and look what happened, tyson lost

No he wasn't. Buster's knock out of Tyson is a picture-perfect example of being at the right place at the right time. Had Mike been in perfect condition he would've KOd the fuck outta Buster. Mike did put him on the floor once, but that was Buster's night.

In any case, Tyson's trainer was unprepared, Mike outta shape, etc. Mike's cutman didn't even carry vaseline with him fro chrisakes!!

[Overload]

No he wasn't. Buster's knock out of Tyson is a picture-perfect example of being at the right place at the right time. Had Mike been in perfect condition he would've KOd the fuck outta Buster. Mike did put him on the floor once, but that was Buster's night.

In any case, Tyson's trainer was unprepared, Mike outta shape, etc. Mike's cutman didn't even carry vaseline with him fro chrisakes!!

Exactly.

Mike was also having alot of drug problems and depression issues.

At the time he fought Buster, Tyson was done mentally, any fight after that he was not the real Iron Mike and he just got worse. When he fought Evander you could tell Tyson was out of his prime by a long shot.