apparently u dont have to do full range movements with all exercises to build a body like jay's! go tell your personal trainer skip, it will break his heart. the great sergio olivia used to be critized for that(nobody on this board will know him) he said they should be concentrating on their own workouts and not worry about what he was doing, he did explain that he was isolating the muscle when he did this. and whats with the use of the words; epic, brutal and monster by people on this board...is that how people talk these days, i havent ever met anyone who actually uses these words. i think they must be GAY.