Does anyone on here think supplements work?

[theworm]

Other than whey protein, does anyone on here actually think supplements work?  Gacik bullshit, etc.  In my teens, I probably spent over a grand in GNC and gained nothing.


Paul Dillet said it best:  only steroids work like steroids.

[G o a t b o y]

In a word, no.

[Knives]

yeah, i've wasted more than I care to say on supplements.  Whey is great, but forget the rest.

[tommywishbone]

Anadrol works.

[SWOLETRAIN]

they help though

[theworm]

how do they "help?"  In what way? 

You would be much better off by buying a Steak or a chicken sandwhich, etc.

[Master Blaster]

What about creatine?

I assume you aren't talking about pro-hormones.

[Master Blaster]

Beta-alanine starting to show promise:

Harris RC, Tallon MJ Dunnett M, Boobis L, Coakley J, Kim HJ, Fallowfield JL, Hill CA, Sale C, Wise JA (2006) The absorption of orally supplied §-alanine and its effect on muscle carnosine synthesis in human vastus lateralis. Amino Acids, March.

[SWOLETRAIN]

i have a few national level competitors and NCAA athletes who purchase a decent amt of supps. Supps like superpump250 give an awesome preworkout kick. Whey protein essential IMO. I like waxymaize too. I see dudes juiced to the gills buying no2 and even creatine. Mostly preworkouts, fat burners and protiens. They all help

[spotter]

Other than whey protein, does anyone on here actually think supplements work?  Gacik bullshit, etc.  In my teens, I probably spent over a grand in GNC and gained nothing.


Paul Dillet said it best:  only steroids work like steroids.

Derek loves jetfuel

[SWOLETRAIN]

you guys must remember...... Not everybody wants to be a pro bodybuilder. Some just into fitness.

[WOOO]

Paul Dillet said it best:  only steroids work like steroids.

Paul was always known for his keen mind! 

[busyB]

Other than whey protein, does anyone on here actually think supplements work?  Gacik bullshit, etc.  In my teens, I probably spent over a grand in GNC and gained nothing.


Paul Dillet said it best:  only steroids work like steroids.

That is because you were shopping at GNC, they get their knowledge out of a magazine, ie: Musclecrap ads (so yes, Gakic is a derivitive of an amino acid, Glycene). In your teens, do you honestly think you were eating enough? Definition of a supplement = in addition to. Diet first, supps second and too many people get that backwards.

Can't generalize all supps as crap, what about anti-oxidants, multi-vits, EFA's, BCAA's, Creatine (pre w/o), and lately, TONS of studies on beta-alanines benifits for boosting carnosine. Can't go against proven studies, kido.

Supps and steroids are not even close to being the same thing. Unfortunatly, there is a thing called marketing that a lot of companies must do to sell to the GNC customers of the world who do not know any better. Read up and dont generalize.

[theworm]

That is because you were shopping at GNC, they get their knowledge out of a magazine, ie: Musclecrap ads (so yes, Gakic is a derivitive of an amino acid, Glycene). In your teens, do you honestly think you were eating enough? Definition of a supplement = in addition to. Diet first, supps second and too many people get that backwards.

Can't generalize all supps as crap, what about anti-oxidants, multi-vits, EFA's, BCAA's, Creatine (pre w/o), and lately, TONS of studies on beta-alanines benifits for boosting carnosine. Can't go against proven studies, kido.

Supps and steroids are not even close to being the same thing. Unfortunatly, there is a thing called marketing that a lot of companies must do to sell to the GNC customers of the world who do not know any better. Read up and dont generalize.

Proven studies?  WTF?  Ok, who the hell cares if your carnosine levels go up. Show me a study showing supplements build muscle and cut fat (one not supported by the supplement company trying to sell it).  Bottom line is that you can spend hundreds of dollars on all that crap and not gain more than 1-2 pounds!

[Princess L]

Finally! 

Proven studies?  WTF?    
Ok, who the hell cares if your carnosine levels go up.

Show me a study showing supplements build muscle and cut fat (one not supported by the supplement company trying to sell it). 

[busyB]

Proven studies?  WTF?  Ok, who the hell cares if your carnosine levels go up. Show me a study showing supplements build muscle and cut fat (one not supported by the supplement company trying to sell it).  Bottom line is that you can spend hundreds of dollars on all that crap and not gain more than 1-2 pounds!

Oh, I care to increase carnosine levels because less lactic acid build up for me has resulted in more reps, which means more tissue breakdown so then the more I eat, more I grow. You can pull reports from the ISSN (International Society of Sports Nutrition) who does not sell their own line of products but rather a governing body of well educated in the field of sports nutrition who do unbiased studies.

Again, supplement means in addition to and not to replace any diet or training but if a product helps me train harder and recover faster, I am all for it. I do agree there is a lot of crap out there but you can not generalize all supplements, that is all I am saying. So, you eat enough EFA's and get enough vitamins from your food? Very good, most dont.

[theworm]

Oh, I care to increase carnosine levels because less lactic acid build up for me has resulted in more reps, which means more tissue breakdown so then the more I eat, more I grow. You can pull reports from the ISSN (International Society of Sports Nutrition) who does not sell their own line of products but rather a governing body of well educated in the field of sports nutrition who do unbiased studies.

Again, supplement means in addition to and not to replace any diet or training but if a product helps me train harder and recover faster, I am all for it. I do agree there is a lot of crap out there but you can not generalize all supplements, that is all I am saying. So, you eat enough EFA's and get enough vitamins from your food? Very good, most dont.

Yes, I understand supplements are to "supplement" your diet.  We are not retards here.  CLUE:  its also where they got the word supplements from, to "supplement" your program!  haha.
seriously though, its like having a car that goes 100MPH, and spending thousands to make it go 102.  worth it?  hell no.  buy an extra steak.

[busyB]

Yes, I understand supplements are to "supplement" your diet.  We are not retards here.  CLUE:  its also where they got the word supplements from, to "supplement" your program!  haha.
seriously though, its like having a car that goes 100MPH, and spending thousands to make it go 102.  worth it?  hell no.  buy an extra steak.

Never claimed you were a retard and neither am I. I have had good results from supps and you have not, so we will never agree. And the point I was making is that not all supps are crap.

[theworm]

LOL.  the point I am making is that ALL supplements are crap (minus whey protein).

BabyB must work for the industry.

[busyB]

LOL.  the point I am making is that ALL supplements are crap (minus whey protein).

BabyB must work for the industry.

Easy on the babyB crap. If your way of making your point is to sit behind a computer and bash people because of your lack of knowledge, then you are quite immature. Like to see you talk to me that way in person, child.

[theworm]

Relax guy, its harmless fun.

Sorry you got upset.

Nevertheless, dollar for dollar, you are much better off getting a grilled chicken sandwich or a steak over ANY supp.  You work in a GNC?

[busyB]

Relax guy, its harmless fun.

Sorry you got upset.

Nevertheless, dollar for dollar, you are much better off getting a grilled chicken sandwich or a steak over ANY supp.  You work in a GNC?

Trust me, eat plenty of steak, chicken and food...

Yes, I am the guy who sold you all the crap 

[copacetic]

Oh, I care to increase carnosine levels because less lactic acid build up for me has resulted in more reps, which means more tissue breakdown so then the more I eat, more I grow. You can pull reports from the ISSN (International Society of Sports Nutrition) who does not sell their own line of products but rather a governing body of well educated in the field of sports nutrition who do unbiased studies.

Again, supplement means in addition to and not to replace any diet or training but if a product helps me train harder and recover faster, I am all for it. I do agree there is a lot of crap out there but you can not generalize all supplements, that is all I am saying. So, you eat enough EFA's and get enough vitamins from your food? Very good, most dont.

ok here's what i don't understand Carnosine is actually (beta-alanyl-L-histidine) and i can find carnosine in stores hell they even have it at wal-mart so why not take that do you really need to get just beta-alanine? why not just take carnosine? there was a beta-alanine thread recently and really not much was discussed in.....i suck at teh chemistry though so any research i try to do i don't really understand it is beta-alanine just a fancy buzz word being used to charge people big $ when they could just take carnosine thats what i think but i need somebody to second that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnosine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-alanine

[theworm]

why waste your time, none of that crap works!

[busyB]

ok here's what i don't understand Carnosine is actually (beta-alanyl-L-histidine) and i can find carnosine in stores hell they even have it at wal-mart so why not take that do you really need to get just beta-alanine? why not just take carnosine? there was a beta-alanine thread recently and really not much was discussed in.....i suck at teh chemistry though so any research i try to do i don't really understand it is beta-alanine just a fancy buzz word being used to charge people big $ when they could just take carnosine thats what i think but i need somebody to second that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnosine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta-alanine

Carnosine is beta-alanine + l-histidine together. The two together make Carnosine. I am sure some companies just say Carnosine but it is the combo of both...