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What would you ask a man
« on: September 10, 2007, 06:41:30 AM »
....who professes to be an atheist and for years of his life has taken the time and money several times a year to write out his thoughts about why people who are "religious" are wrong and send copies of these writings out in mass mailings, even to people he has never met?

Is he just a passionate man about what he believes?

Does he think he will help to "set people free" by attempting to squash their belief in a higher power?

Is he confused?

Does he want to believe but not in the ways he has learned?

Why does he spend any time addressing this at all if he really doesn't believe?


Of course only he can truly answer these questions but what would you ask him?
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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 06:52:00 AM »
I would ask if he was looking for justification maybe? 

And to go to the lengths at which he does (sending mail to even unknown people) suggests that he has a belief system that he wants to share with others.  Even if it's a belief that he doesn't believe. 

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 07:46:47 PM »
....who professes to be an atheist and for years of his life has taken the time and money several times a year to write out his thoughts about why people who are "religious" are wrong and send copies of these writings out in mass mailings, even to people he has never met?

Is he just a passionate man about what he believes?

Does he think he will help to "set people free" by attempting to squash their belief in a higher power?

Is he confused?

Does he want to believe but not in the ways he has learned?

Why does he spend any time addressing this at all if he really doesn't believe?


Of course only he can truly answer these questions but what would you ask him?



i dont know..

i do know what i'd ask a man professing his belief in god...i'd ask " have you seen him"?


when someone proposes the existance of the extraordinary it is their burden to prove it....not the other way around..


i dont expect anyone to believe in UFOs simple cause i say they exist..or a few books do..
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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2007, 08:54:13 AM »
....who professes to be an atheist and for years of his life has taken the time and money several times a year to write out his thoughts about why people who are "religious" are wrong and send copies of these writings out in mass mailings, even to people he has never met?

Is he just a passionate man about what he believes?

Does he think he will help to "set people free" by attempting to squash their belief in a higher power?

Is he confused?

Does he want to believe but not in the ways he has learned?

Why does he spend any time addressing this at all if he really doesn't believe?


Of course only he can truly answer these questions but what would you ask him?


I think you can ask many of the same questions about those who go door to door spreading the word

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2007, 09:49:16 AM »
I think you can ask many of the same questions about those who go door to door spreading the word

And the answer would be:

If they sincerely and honestly believe the Bible, and if they truly care for others, and they truly believe in hell, and if they truly believe that they must warn people about hell, if they truly believe that they have a way to avoid hell, then not going door to door spreading the word would make them evil and hypocritical.

John 14:6
"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Matthew 28:19-20
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Acts 1:8
"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

2 Peter 3:9
"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2007, 10:21:08 AM »
And the answer would be:

If they sincerely and honestly believe the Bible, and if they truly care for others, and they truly believe in hell, and if they truly believe that they must warn people about hell, if they truly believe that they have a way to avoid hell, then not going door to door spreading the word would make them evil and hypocritical.


in other words......



If they sincerely and honestly believe the TRUTH, and if they truly care for others, and they truly believe in THE hell OF BELIEVING IN A LIE OT UNTRUTH, and if they truly believe that they must warn people about THIS LIE OR UNTRUTH, if they truly believe that they have a way to avoid BELIEVING IN A LIE OR UNTRUTH, then not going door to door spreading the word would make them evil and hypocritical.

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2007, 10:32:17 AM »
in other words......



If they sincerely and honestly believe the TRUTH, and if they truly care for others, and the truly believe in THE hell OF BELIEVING IN A LIE OT UNTRUTH, and if they truly believe that they must warn people about THIS LIE OR UNTRUTH, if they truly believe that they have a way to avoid BELIEVING IN A LIE OR UNTRUTH, then not going door to door spreading the word would make them evil and hypocritical.

Exactly.  Atheism is a religion just like any other, except "evangelical" atheists, the ones that are obsessed with spreading atheism, don't really care for others.  They themselves admit that they do it for selfish reasons, because "I" don't want "my" tax dollars to support the church down the street, as if the church wasn't doing good for the community.  They spread atheism because "I" fear for "my" life when theocracies elsewhere may one day develop nuclear weapons, etc.

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2007, 11:26:45 AM »
Exactly.  Atheism is a religion just like any other, except "evangelical" atheists, the ones that are obsessed with spreading atheism, don't really care for others.  They themselves admit that they do it for selfish reasons, because "I" don't want "my" tax dollars to support the church down the street, as if the church wasn't doing good for the community.  They spread atheism because "I" fear for "my" life when theocracies elsewhere may one day develop nuclear weapons, etc.


If someone believed there are silver monkeys that fly and give birth to play station 3's and they based their whole life on that belief would you NOT tell them the truth?   Is there something wrong with that?

BTW  here's the definition of religion.....taken word for word you can apply to many other things.

re·li·gion      /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1.   a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.   a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.   the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.   the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.   the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6.   something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7.   religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8.   Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
—Idiom
9.   get religion, Informal.
a.   to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b.   to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.


Atheists believe in facts......

Also, atheists give to charities just the same they just don't want tax dollars given to organizations based on faith.  But you or I don;t know if this representative of all atheists as most are probably practical and see the benefit religion does for the weak minded morally digressive populace.

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2007, 12:09:08 PM »

If someone believed there are silver monkeys that fly and give birth to play station 3's and they based their whole life on that belief would you NOT tell them the truth?   Is there something wrong with that?

BTW  here's the definition of religion.....taken word for word you can apply to many other things.

re·li·gion      /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.
8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.
—Idiom
9. get religion, Informal.
a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.
b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.

OzmO,
No offence, but I find it amusing sometimes how you quote the dictionary to make your point, as if there weren't thousands of dictionaries out there with thousands of definitions for the same word.
 
Define Religion:
 
"any specific system of code of ethics, values, and belief"
 
"any specific system of belief, worship, or conduct that prescribes certain responses to the existence (or non-existence) and character of God"
 
"from Latin religare to bind back, implying obligation; or from relegere to select, distinguish among various elements for the choosing of the best; ponder"
 
"Latin: religio, ligo, "to bind together") A way of seeing, thinking, and acting inspired by questions about what things mean: ie Where did we come from?, What is our destiny?, What is true?, What is false?, What is my duty or obligation?, What is the meaning of suffering?, What is the meaning of death?, How shall we live?"
 
"A good example of a narrow definition is the common attempt to define “religion” as “belief in God,” effectively excluding polytheistic religions and atheistic religions while including theists who have no religious belief system. A good example of a vague definition is the tendency to define religion as “worldview” — but how can every worldview qualify as a religion? "

Atheists believe in facts......

Oh, really?  The certainty that there is no God is a fact?  Darwin's theory of evolution is a fact?  The belief that the world would be better off without religion is a fact?  Didn't you say

I think pure belief in evolution is about as absurd as believing every word of the the Bible is the word of God.

Also, atheists give to charities just the same they just don't want tax dollars given to organizations based on faith.  But you or I don;t know if this representative of all atheists as most are probably practical and see the benefit religion does for the weak minded morally digressive populace.

OzmO, you are generalizing.  I am not.  Not all atheists are the same.  The atheist that STella mentions in this thread sounds like an "evangelistic" atheist, one who is obsessed with converting the whole world to atheism.  The "evangelistic" atheists that I know do not give to charities, do not believe in facts and they, by their own admission, are selfish.  They also use fear to get people to covert, much like you claim Christians do, "If we don't rid the world of all forms of religion, we will all surely die in a nuclear holocaust.", etc.

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2007, 02:09:23 PM »
OzmO,
No offence, but I find it amusing sometimes how you quote the dictionary to make your point, as if there weren't thousands of dictionaries out there with thousands of definitions for the same word.
 
Define Religion:
 
"any specific system of code of ethics, values, and belief"
 
"any specific system of belief, worship, or conduct that prescribes certain responses to the existence (or non-existence) and character of God"
 
"from Latin religare to bind back, implying obligation; or from relegere to select, distinguish among various elements for the choosing of the best; ponder"
 
"Latin: religio, ligo, "to bind together") A way of seeing, thinking, and acting inspired by questions about what things mean: ie Where did we come from?, What is our destiny?, What is true?, What is false?, What is my duty or obligation?, What is the meaning of suffering?, What is the meaning of death?, How shall we live?"
 
"A good example of a narrow definition is the common attempt to define “religion” as “belief in God,” effectively excluding polytheistic religions and atheistic religions while including theists who have no religious belief system. A good example of a vague definition is the tendency to define religion as “worldview” — but how can every worldview qualify as a religion? "


You are the one who likens atheism to a religion i don't.  My point is that the definition of religion could be applied a specific science or a club.  So by definition, it's a religion, but so is the chess club at your local high school.

When people think of religion they think of organized worship.   Atheists don't worship anything.

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Oh, really?  The certainty that there is no God is a fact?  Darwin's theory of evolution is a fact?  The belief that the world would be better off without religion is a fact?  Didn't you say

They believe IN verifiable facts.  Can you verify the existence of God with anything outside the book (Bible) you love to quote?

You think atheists believe in evolution as fact?   Last i heard it's still classified as a "theory".

And yes:

I do think pure belief in evolution is about as absurd as believing every word of the the Bible is the word of God. 

I've stated many times that science is far from knowing all the answers.   Just as it's stupid to think that "God" who loves us would order men to slaughter a nation of children by the sword.  But you think that's a humane thing to do like putting a dog to sleep because the children would have starved in in dessert?   Didn't God teach his people common decency like taking responsibility?   Of course not  he taught them to murder children   ::)


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OzmO, you are generalizing.  I am not.  Not all atheists are the same.  The atheist that STella mentions in this thread sounds like an "evangelistic" atheist, one who is obsessed with converting the whole world to atheism.  The "evangelistic" atheists that I know do not give to charities, do not believe in facts and they, by their own admission, are selfish.  They also use fear to get people to covert, much like you claim Christians do, "If we don't rid the world of all forms of religion, we will all surely die in a nuclear holocaust.", etc.

So you are not generalizing, but by your own admission, the Atheists you know do not believe in facts and do not give to charities.... so then do you believe "all" evangelical atheists are?

And are these evangelical atheists obsessed or are they passionate about their beliefs and think they should open the eyes of those who believe in what they think are fairy tales?   Much like Christians who try open the eyes of sinners and bring them to God?

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2007, 02:30:32 PM »
You are the one who likens atheism to a religion i don't.  My point is that the definition of religion could be applied a specific science or a club.  So by definition, it's a religion, but so is the chess club at your local high school.

When people think of religion they think of organized worship.   Atheists don't worship anything.

Then you are agreeing with me that it is a religion.  So what are you arguing with me about?

Atheists don't worship anything.

We all worship something, whether it is God, money, celebrities, professional athletes, etc.  We are creatures of worship, like it or not.  What or who we worship shapes us to an extent and makes us who we are.  I choose to worship Jesus, and hope to be more and more like Him.

They believe IN verifiable facts.  Can you verify the existence of God with anything outside the book (Bible) you love to quote?

Yes, but the existence of God ultimately rests on faith.

You think atheists believe in evolution as fact?   Last i heard it's still classified as a "theory".

Don't they?  Have you not read the numerous threads on evolution on this board?

And yes:

I do think pure belief in evolution is about as absurd as believing every word of the the Bible is the word of God. 

I've stated many times that science is far from knowing all the answers.   Just as it's stupid to think that "God" who loves us would order men to slaughter a nation of children by the sword.  But you think that's a humane thing to do like putting a dog to sleep because the children would have starved in in dessert?   Didn't God teach his people common decency like taking responsibility?   Of course not  he taught them to murder children   ::)

Don't you believe that abortion is murder, yet you support it?  God does not murder.  We can start this discussion all over again, so you can abandon the discussion, all over again.

So you are not generalizing, but by your own admission, the Atheists you know do not believe in facts and do not give to charities.... so then do you believe "all" evangelical atheists are?

And are these evangelical atheists obsessed or are they passionate about their beliefs and think they should open the eyes of those who believe in what they think are fairy tales?   Much like Christians who try open the eyes of sinners and bring them to God?

I base my statements on what I observe on atheist websites, atheist discussions and from my atheist friends.  If I repeat something here that I learned from them, and it is wrong, then I am sorry!  I did not know that they were wrong and I do not go on checking every little detail of everything they say.

It's like when you have stated with certainty in other threads that communist regimes that ban religion are not atheist, and that people in communist regimes can believe in God if they choose to.  How do I know if you are right or wrong?  Without arguing with you, all I'm going to say is this:

"Communists cannot believe in God."  Fidel Castro (translation by loco)

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 08:55:37 AM »
Then you are agreeing with me that it is a religion.  So what are you arguing with me about?


I'm putting your assertion in it's proper perspective, something you have a problem doing when it comes to religion and facts.

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We all worship something, whether it is God, money, celebrities, professional athletes, etc.  We are creatures of worship, like it or not.  What or who we worship shapes us to an extent and makes us who we are.  I choose to worship Jesus, and hope to be more and more like Him.

They don't worship a  deity and whether you want to admit it or not you are in the same boat of those atheists who worship the things you say they do as you par-take just the same.  Or you are just assuming they do as i am with you.

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Don't they?  Have you not read the numerous threads on evolution on this board?

when evolution isn't billed as theory but instead a proven fact then you have something to talk about.  Otherwise you are just arguing in what people believe which is no different in what evolutionists would be arguing with you about.

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Don't you believe that abortion is murder, yet you support it?  God does not murder.  We can start this discussion all over again, so you can abandon the discussion, all over again.

What i believe has no relation to the FACT THAT GOD ORDERED THE MURDER OF CHILDREN

You can try a deflect and mis direct as much as you want, you can try and discredit my beliefs....but at the end of th day the Bible says he ordered children to be murdered and you support this as YOUR GOD.   a CHILD KILLER.  a NATION OF CHILDREN KILLER.

I point that out to show the Bible is book of stories and your defense of it by bringing up my beliefs is a DESPERATE pathetic attempt to change the subject.

So bring it on.......justify a GOD killing a nation of children.   I'm waiting.

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I base my statements on what I observe on atheist websites, atheist discussions and from my atheist friends.  If I repeat something here that I learned from them, and it is wrong, then I am sorry!  I did not know that they were wrong and I do not go on checking every little detail of everything they say.

It's like when you have stated with certainty in other threads that communist regimes that ban religion are not atheist, and that people in communist regimes can believe in God if they choose to.  How do I know if you are right or wrong?  Without arguing with you, all I'm going to say is this:

"Communists cannot believe in God."  Fidel Castro (translation by loco)

What ever loco,  fact is that you generalized and assumed about atheists based on your limited exposer and tainted views.   You jumped to conclusions.   

As for communists governments, believing in God is something NO ONE CAN control.  practicing organized religion in public is something that can be controlled.

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2007, 09:10:59 AM »

"Communists cannot believe in God."  Fidel Castro (translation by loco)


Has nothing to do with this discussion.

How about discussing the topic at hand.

Instead of repeatedly bringing persons into the topic, like when you're claiming certain famous scientists are Christians, and how this somehow would support the notion that Christianity is the true faith.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2007, 09:14:04 AM »
....who professes to be an atheist and for years of his life has taken the time and money several times a year to write out his thoughts about why people who are "religious" are wrong and send copies of these writings out in mass mailings, even to people he has never met?

Is he just a passionate man about what he believes?

Does he think he will help to "set people free" by attempting to squash their belief in a higher power?

Is he confused?

Does he want to believe but not in the ways he has learned?

Why does he spend any time addressing this at all if he really doesn't believe?


Of course only he can truly answer these questions but what would you ask him?


Seems to me that you're holding a grudge to someone, and instead of writing flat out what's going on, you instead chooses to write up a hypothetical question.

Pretty cowardly, if you ask me.

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2007, 09:22:01 AM »
Has nothing to do with this discussion.

How about discussing the topic at hand.

Instead of repeatedly bringing persons into the topic, like when you're claiming certain famous scientists are Christians, and how this somehow would support the notion that Christianity is the true faith.

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why do you get so mad anytime I mention Chavez or Castro?

When I'm claiming certain famous scientists are Christians, like Isaac Newton?  Is that my claim?  Was he not a Christian?  And I bring up famous Christian scientists when people here claim that those who believe in God are less intelligent than those who don't, or when someone claims that no well known scientist ever believed in God.

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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2007, 11:04:24 AM »
Hedgehog,
why do you get so mad anytime I mention Chavez or Castro?

When I'm claiming certain famous scientists are Christians, like Isaac Newton?  Is that my claim?  Was he not a Christian?  And I bring up famous Christian scientists when people here claim that those who believe in God are less intelligent than those who don't, or when someone claims that no well known scientist ever believed in God.

Where did I state that I was mad about anything? ???
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2007, 11:22:06 AM »
Where did I state that I was mad about anything? ???

You did not state it, it just seemed that way.  You did not contribute anything to the topic until I mentioned Castro, then you said that it had nothing to do with the topic when you had not posted anything that had anything to do with the topic either.  But I see you finally did after your original post.  Then you brought up Christian scientists, as if that had anything to do with this thread.

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2007, 04:56:59 AM »
Seems to me that you're holding a grudge to someone, and instead of writing flat out what's going on, you instead chooses to write up a hypothetical question.

Pretty cowardly, if you ask me.



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I doubt STella is holding a grudge, and this topic is not cowardly at all.  STella is bringing up a good topic and she  is simply encouraging discussion.  These are very good questions.  I myself used to wonder why some atheists care so much about religion, if they don't believe in God.  I can understand that they do not believe in God and I don't have a problem with their belief, but why obsess over converting the world to atheism?  Why not just let people believe in God if they want to?

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2007, 06:15:09 AM »
....who professes to be an atheist and for years of his life has taken the time and money several times a year to write out his thoughts about why people who are "religious" are wrong and send copies of these writings out in mass mailings, even to people he has never met?

Is he just a passionate man about what he believes?

Does he think he will help to "set people free" by attempting to squash their belief in a higher power?

Is he confused?

Does he want to believe but not in the ways he has learned?

Why does he spend any time addressing this at all if he really doesn't believe?


Of course only he can truly answer these questions but what would you ask him?


I would ask him if he honestly believes that getting rid of religion would solve all the world's problems.

It looks like he is an evangelical atheist.

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An Evangelical Atheist is a person that is an atheist and tries to spread atheism amongst theists. It is derived from Evangelism, meaning "Spreading Good News" as practised by Christianity. Due to the rise of the Conservative Christan movement in the United States of America and the increase of humanistic thought, along with the increased blending other many different religions, Atheism has become more and more popular. Evangelical atheist usually seeks to "convert" borderline theists, often by engaging in debate with fundamentalists.
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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2007, 06:16:39 AM »
If they sincerely and honestly believe the TRUTH, and if they truly care for others, and they truly believe in THE hell OF BELIEVING IN A LIE OT UNTRUTH, and if they truly believe that they must warn people about THIS LIE OR UNTRUTH, if they truly believe that they have a way to avoid BELIEVING IN A LIE OR UNTRUTH, then not going door to door spreading the word would make them evil and hypocritical.

Also, atheists give to charities just the same they just don't want tax dollars given to organizations based on faith.  But you or I don;t know if this representative of all atheists as most are probably practical and see the benefit religion does for the weak minded morally digressive populace.

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Not arguing with you, just asking a serious question.  Do you know for a fact that is their motivation?  We are talking about atheists who obsess over converting the world to atheism and ridding the world of religion.  So aren't they the same as the people they criticise, the Christian who wants to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the whole world?
 
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ALL theists and all theism is harmful and destructive
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The truth is, moderate theists are the most destructive
http://freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Why_atheists_care_about_religion#What_about_moderate.2Fliberal_theists.2Ftheism.3F
 
Evangelical atheists use fear to scare people into converting to atheism, much the same as many claim that Christians do.
 
1. Sam Harris DOES say that religion may be the end of us. He explains it very clearly. Pakistan has a nuclear program. Iran will soon have one. The nuclear weapons of the former USSR are floating around. Muslim nutjobs who hate the West and think they are doing Allah's work when they kill infidels may get their hands on these bombs. The combination of the Koran and the Bomb may lead to disaster.

"why atheists care about religion"

 
 
How much charity comes from atheists and what is their motivation?  They are going to give to charity just so that they don't "appear to be nothing but self-absorbed complainers"? 
 
They are going to give to charity just to compete with the church and just to prove that "compassion is best found outside of church walls"?
 
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There's a real danger that by restricting ourselves to mere defensiveness, we atheists will appear to be nothing but self-absorbed complainers. If we atheists truly believe that compassion is best found outside of church walls, it's time for us to put up or shut up. It's time we form our own charities and provide more support for the atheist and otherwise secular charities that already exist.
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Atheists complain that religion tries to tell them how to live their life.  Don't they do the same?

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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2007, 07:06:51 AM »
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I doubt STella is holding a grudge, and this topic is not cowardly at all.  STella is bringing up a good topic and she  is simply encouraging discussion.  These are very good questions.  I myself used to wonder why some atheists care so much about religion, if they don't believe in God.  I can understand that they do not believe in God and I don't have a problem with their belief, but why obsess over converting the world to atheism?  Why not just let people believe in God if they want to?

Sorry if I wasn't clear, leading you to misunderstanding me.

My apologies.

What I meant was that Stella, instead of giving us a hypothetical situation, should tell us about the actual situation.

Or even better, confront the person.

Instead of hiding behind a hypothetical scenario.

That was my point.
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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2007, 02:46:53 PM »
 Atheists ....... believe IN verifiable facts. 


Can you verify the existence of God with anything outside the book (Bible) you love to quote?


I don't believe it's ever been verified that God does not exist.



Sorry if I wasn't clear, leading you to misunderstanding me.

My apologies.

What I meant was that Stella, instead of giving us a hypothetical situation, should tell us about the actual situation.

Or even better, confront the person.

Instead of hiding behind a hypothetical scenario.

That was my point.

It's not a hypothetical scenario.  The man is a real person.  I'm getting ready to write to him (which I haven't done for a long time because I haven't read a lot of the stuff he sent in the past 2 years or so because it was too long.....this last thing was only one page front and back) and wanted some input from some people from this board.


Seems to me that you're holding a grudge to someone, and instead of writing flat out what's going on, you instead chooses to write up a hypothetical question.

Pretty cowardly, if you ask me.



I have no grudge against this person.  I've never even met him.

What I wrote about is exactly what's going on.  Thanks for not judging though   :P





The question I was thinking of asking him was why does he spend so much time, thought and any money on what he professes NOT to believe in?
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Re: What would you ask a man
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2007, 02:56:34 PM »
The question I was thinking of asking him was why does he spend so much time, thought and any money on what he professes NOT to believe in?
I think that's perfectly appropriate to ask. He really seems like he has a real "motivation" to do what he does.
I questioned my faith at times, but have always been drawn back to it. Maybe he is somebody who has totally renounced his faith and is "getting even" with the world.

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2007, 01:08:32 PM »
Maybe he is somebody who has totally renounced his faith and is "getting even" with the world.
That's interesting because in his last writing he did indicate that he once believed or at least came close to believing in God.
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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2007, 01:25:13 PM »
That's interesting because in his last writing he did indicate that he once believed or at least came close to believing in God.

Maybe you could ask him why he is sure that he's right and you are wrong?
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