critique bulking cycle.....

[xander]

planning on running the following cycle in about 2months any suggestions and recommendations would b greatly appreciated.....thanx

wk 1- anadrol 50mg/d     duratest 250mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 2- anadrol 100mg/d     duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 3- anadrol 150mg/d     duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 4- anadrol 150mg/d     duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 5-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 40mg/d     hcg 5000 iu/w
wk 6-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 35mg/d     hcg 5000 iu/w
wk 7-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 30mg/d
wk 8-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 25mg/d
wk 9-                            duratest 250mg/w                             dbol 20mg/d
wk 10-                          duratest 250mg/w                              dbol 15mg/d
wk 11-                                                                                dbol 10mg/d     hcg 5000 iu/w
wk 12-                                                                                                     hcg 5000 iu/w     clen 80mcg/d
wk 13-                                                                                                     hcg 5000 iu/w     clen 120mcg/d
wk 14-20                                                                                                                          clen 120mcg/d

[wes mantooth]

1) too much anadrol...100mgs for 4 weeks is plenty
2) shitcan the dbol
3) test to deca ratio should be 2:1
4) 11 weeks of orals isnt needed
5) taper and rotate the clen for the 8 weeks you have up there
6) test/ deca not run long enough IMO
7) dont taper the test...simply use a fast acting test compound (prop) at the end of your cycle
why are you breaking up the hcg like that?

[xander]

thanx 4 the quick response buddy.....so in your opinion how would u run a cycle like this? if possible diagram it like i have, it would b greatly appreciated

[wes mantooth]

sure man...thats why were all here..to help.

personally, i would keep it simple..

my only question would be what is your experience with oral compounds? for me...i would choose dbol over a bombs all day long. abombs give me MASSIVE headaches...other than that...i would say:

week 1-4 anadrol 100mgs.....or 35-50mgs of dbol a day
week 1-16 test 600mgs a week
week 1-14 deca 300mgs a week

or you could run prop from week 14 for another 4 weeks at the end. its fast acting, and it will counter the deca staying active in the system before pct

as for the clen....take a few days to get used to it if youve never tried it....use 40-60mcgs the first day or two, then build to 120 over the next 2 weeks, then comeoff for 10 days, then run it 2 on, 1 off, 1 on, 2 off...for another 2-3 weeks (thats just my theory on clen, some run it different...might even here about the benydril (sp?) theory)

hcg....not an expert on that by any means...but you will get good feedback here....give it til tonight for more responses. some run it though the whole cycle, some at the end......

[xander]

looks good buddy.....well ive always wanted 2 try anadrol,but never had a chance, always went with dbol.....so would running anadrol at the beginning and than running dbol at the end wouldnt b a good idea? im just trying 2 put a really huge mass cycle 2gether, cause im just coming off a trenbolone acetate and deca cycle which got me really lean and defined and well i just wanna go BIGG on my next cycle.....listen if youve done or heard of a btter mass cycle outhere i would sure like 2 hear about it.....thanx buddy

[RDW]

If you value your liver I'd at least have a 4 week break between the dbol and abombs.  You could extend the whole thing, but take a break between the two if you insist on using both.  Wes's suggestion looks good to me.  As far as HCG goes, for PCT take 10,000 IU spread out over 10 days 3 weeks after your last test shot (make sure you stop the deca a week or 2 before that as Wes suggested.  I prefer something like: Day 1 3000 IU, Day 3 2500 IU, Day 5 1500IU, IU, Day 7 1000IU, Day 9 1000IU. I have a sticky on HCG use if you want to read it as well.  You can take it during your cycle if you feel the need to keep your balls up to size, but it doesn't really offer any benefit other than that, if you do choose to do so an amount of 1000 IU E3D should maintain them.  I just wait for PCT and bounce them back then. Also, if you switch to prop for the last 4 weeks, then start the PCT 10-14 days after your last test pin, not 3 weeks.

[wes mantooth]

looks good buddy.....well ive always wanted 2 try anadrol,but never had a chance, always went with dbol.....so would running anadrol at the beginning and than running dbol at the end wouldnt b a good idea? im just trying 2 put a really huge mass cycle 2gether, cause im just coming off a trenbolone acetate and deca cycle which got me really lean and defined and well i just wanna go BIGG on my next cycle.....listen if youve done or heard of a btter mass cycle outhere i would sure like 2 hear about it.....thanx buddy

my best mass cycle was dbol/ test enanth/ tren enan/ eq....

we all want to be huge.....fuck, i havent been "on" in almost 2 years.....i cant wait...BUT, slow and steady wins the race. no need for huge amounts of compounds in my opinion.

a bombs deca and test should be plenty.....

as far as the dbol at the end.....to many orals...no need for the stress, save it for the next go...

[wes mantooth]

If you value your liver I'd at least have a 4 week break between the dbol and abombs.  You could extend the whole thing, but take a break between the two if you insist on using both.  Wes's suggestion looks good to me.  As far as HCG goes, for PCT take 10,000 IU spread out over 10 days 3 weeks after your last test shot (make sure you stop the deca a week or 2 before that as Wes suggested.  I prefer something like: Day 1 3000 IU, Day 3 2500 IU, Day 5 1500IU, IU, Day 7 1000IU, Day 9 1000IU. I have a sticky on HCG use if you want to read it as well.  You can take it during your cycle if you feel the need to keep your balls up to size, but it doesn't really offer any benefit other than that, if you do choose to do so an amount of 1000 IU E3D should maintain them.  I just wait for PCT and bounce them back then. Also, if you switch to prop for the last 4 weeks, then start the PCT 10-14 days after your last test pin, not 3 weeks.

thanks for the additions RDW....

btw, i will read that hcg sticky...i need to be more knowledgable in that regard

[trab]

RDW, as allways good stuff.

That much Dbol so close to the oxy is a mistake IMO. Guys do it, but the liver transplant list is long.
A couple tabs of Dbol now and then, pre workout for a lift is another matter alltogether.

I'd rather measure time on test in months. 3-4 months min on the androgens, then bring it on down.
You can stretch the end out w/ some milder stuff.

[Arnold jr]

If you value your liver I'd at least have a 4 week break between the dbol and abombs.  You could extend the whole thing, but take a break between the two if you insist on using both.  Wes's suggestion looks good to me.  As far as HCG goes, for PCT take 10,000 IU spread out over 10 days 3 weeks after your last test shot (make sure you stop the deca a week or 2 before that as Wes suggested.  I prefer something like: Day 1 3000 IU, Day 3 2500 IU, Day 5 1500IU, IU, Day 7 1000IU, Day 9 1000IU. I have a sticky on HCG use if you want to read it as well.  You can take it during your cycle if you feel the need to keep your balls up to size, but it doesn't really offer any benefit other than that, if you do choose to do so an amount of 1000 IU E3D should maintain them.  I just wait for PCT and bounce them back then. Also, if you switch to prop for the last 4 weeks, then start the PCT 10-14 days after your last test pin, not 3 weeks.

I agree with RDW, except on a couple things I'd do them differently myself.

If you use HCG during your cycle, I think 350-500iu/e5d would be enough...but like RDW said, saving it for PCT would be best IMO. If you use it for PCT, the way he has outlined is fine...I prefer 1000iu/ed for 10 straight days, so it's basically the same, 10,000iu over 10 days, just differant dosing methods.

The other thing I'd do differently, if you end the cycle on nothing but prop I wouldn't wait 10-14 days for PCT, I'd actually start it an just a few days after the last pin...just my preference.

Xander, you asked about the best mass building cycle, what you have will work fine, the biggest key is going to be the food you eat and the way you balance out your training...hard, heavy, short and intense is what I'd suggest.

[4thAD]

planning on running the following cycle in about 2months any suggestions and recommendations would b greatly appreciated.....thanx

wk 1- anadrol 50mg/d     duratest 250mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 2- anadrol 100mg/d     duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 3- anadrol 150mg/d     duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 4- anadrol 150mg/d     duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 5-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 40mg/d     hcg 5000 iu/w
wk 6-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 35mg/d     hcg 5000 iu/w
wk 7-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 30mg/d
wk 8-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 25mg/d
wk 9-                            duratest 250mg/w                             dbol 20mg/d
wk 10-                          duratest 250mg/w                              dbol 15mg/d
wk 11-                                                                                dbol 10mg/d     hcg 5000 iu/w
wk 12-                                                                                                     hcg 5000 iu/w     clen 80mcg/d
wk 13-                                                                                                     hcg 5000 iu/w     clen 120mcg/d
wk 14-20                                                                                                                          clen 120mcg/d

For the HCG use run it from first pin all the way up to 4 days prior to PCT @ 500iu 2Xew no breaks during cycle. Low dose is the way to go. Suppression although very minimal begins at first injection. This will make recovery much smoother.

[koho]

planning on running the following cycle in about 2months any suggestions and recommendations would b greatly appreciated.....thanx

wk 1- anadrol 50mg/d     duratest 250mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 2- anadrol 100mg/d     duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 3- anadrol 150mg/d     duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 4- anadrol 150mg/d     duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w
wk 5-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 40mg/d     hcg 5000 iu/w
wk 6-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 35mg/d     hcg 5000 iu/w
wk 7-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 30mg/d
wk 8-                            duratest 500mg/w     deca 300mg/w     dbol 25mg/d
wk 9-                            duratest 250mg/w                             dbol 20mg/d
wk 10-                          duratest 250mg/w                              dbol 15mg/d
wk 11-                                                                                dbol 10mg/d     hcg 5000 iu/w
wk 12-                                                                                                     hcg 5000 iu/w     clen 80mcg/d
wk 13-                                                                                                     hcg 5000 iu/w     clen 120mcg/d
wk 14-20                                                                                                                          clen 120mcg/d

Duratest?? Wow...haven't seen that shit in over 10 years..lolol.... Is this cycle out of the World Anabolic Review? Looks like one of the sample cycles from the back of the book...the 1996 edition I think.