Quick Question about the ECA Stack ...

[The_Iron_Disciple]

I've just started taking the ECA Stack today ... well, at least the EC Stack. I've decided NOT to take the Asprin due to the many posts I've read here at GetBig stating not to if your a Natural ( which I am ). Here's my question ... a couple of them really :

1. I plan on using this Stack with the hopes of Building Muscle and Burning Fat at the same time ... I figure I can do this ( and please tell me if I'm misguided ! ) if my Diet is of that a Lean Bulking / Lean Mass Gaining type Diet ... you know, somewhere in between Cutting Diets and Bulking Diets. Do you guys think this is possible ? Would you recommend anything different for a 200-lb person such as myself ?

2. Here's my Schedule throughout the day ... please let me know what you think because Sleep CAN BE a problem for me ... I want to take this Stack twice a day so I can get the most out of it, however, I would also like to be able to Sleep as well ...

5 pm - Take 1rst Dose upon Awakening

11 pm - 6 hours later at work take my 2nd Dose of the EC Stack

6 am - Get out of Work and Workout at the Gym

8 am - Usually when I get Home ... and I don't usually get to sleep until around 9-10 am or so.

Does this sound good guys ? Again, thank you for all the feedback and sorry for all the trouble ... if I caused any. Have a good one guys and I look foward to your replies ! 

[WOOO]

hey... eca does not build muscle... there is a sticky with all the info you need at the top of this board... oh and you don't take aspirin because it will burn a hole through your gut

[The_Iron_Disciple]

hey... eca does not build muscle... there is a sticky with all the info you need at the top of this board... oh and you don't take aspirin because it will burn a hole through your gut

I've read most of the Sticky and I understand that the ECA Stack is not intended to build Muscle, however, is it possible to put on Muscle ... to Bulk, in a way, using the ECA Stack. I guess what I'm saying is I'm trying to kill 2 Birds with one Stone ... I'm trying to Build Muscle and lose Fat at the same time ... is it possible ? Thank you.

[WOOO]

sure it's possible... i meant that ephedrine and caffeine will not help you gain mass directly... although it can be argued that as a pre-worout supplement they can boost your ability for long and intense workouts and thus increase your gains

[The_Iron_Disciple]

sure it's possible... i meant that ephedrine and caffeine will not help you gain mass directly... although it can be argued that as a pre-worout supplement they can boost your ability for long and intense workouts and thus increase your gains

True. Very true.

[Princess L]

You might be able to get away with it for awhile (newbie effect), but building and losing is a contradiction 

[4thAD]

Clen and albuterol would be more suited for building muscle while cutting as they both have anti-catabolic effects when used properly. For a newb I would not recommend using either. Stick with the ECA. You should bulk most of the year and then cut in the summer to keep the fat levels down.

[WOOO]

Clen and albuterol would be more suited for building muscle while cutting as they both have anti-catabolic effects when used properly. For a newb I would not recommend using either. Stick with the ECA. You should bulk most of the year and then cut in the summer to keep the fat levels down.

both "buterols" have now been proven to cause permanent changes to the heart....

call me crazy but i'd like to avoid that... 

[littleguns]

... oh and you don't take aspirin because it will burn a hole through your gut

If you take the enteric coated aspirin will burn less of a hole (LOL)

[El Diablo Blanco]

That was not a quick question.  Secondly.  I presume you work the night shift?  They say that taking vitamin C will buffer some of the jitters and sleeplessness.  Take some Vitamin C an hour or so before bed.  Also take some ZMA.

[Blockhead]

 Yes it is possible.

 Use the ECA only before your morning cardio session as you should be doing an early morning cardio session. That's it. No other time of the day. Just before cardio. After 3 full weeks of using it then take 7-10 days OFF and don't touch it.

 During using ECA I would avoid coffee and other drinks containing a stimulant. Too many stimulants will cause a breakdown in muscle as the body gets stressed and cortisol is released.

 Your cardio should be 40-60 minutes. Low intensity. Keep the heart rate in the 119-123 range.

 Add a Green Tea extract tablet and 500mg of acetyl l-carnitine to your EC/ECA stack. To ensure you won't lose muscle it doesn't hurt to have a scoop of glutamine powder and BCAA powder with it.

[candidate2025]

wow. good info blackhead. i didnt know what acetyl l carnitine was.
after reading this= http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/health-supplements/acetyl-l-carnitine.htm
i am going to pick some up today.
and some l-glutamine...which i have been meaning to do for a while.
and soem creatine monohydrate..which i have also been meaning to do for a while.


i have been training without creatine or glutamine for like 3 months...so im pumped to see the immidiete effects of incorporating them. and im pumped for soem extra fat loss by way of this acetyl l carnitine.

also, for the first time in the history of my training, i started incorporating carbs into my post workout shake.   

so i think i should start to see some pretty good improvements in my physique!

[4thAD]

both "buterols" have now been proven to cause permanent changes to the heart....

call me crazy but i'd like to avoid that... 

Again I am not recommending albuterol use, but here is an interesting read!

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_1259379/mpage_1/key_albuterol/tm.htm

[WOOO]

Again I am not recommending albuterol use, but here is am interesting read!

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_1259379/mpage_1/key_albuterol/tm.htm

Hey 4th.

More information about the potential for clenbuterol to be harmful.

Most of the studies done are on patients with ventricular atrophy (not on bodybuilders) and one of the results is a thickening for the heart wall...  anyway I am posting one of the links but you can just google this there is is more and more information in the same vein:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/112/9_suppl/I-51