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Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« on: September 12, 2007, 11:42:29 AM »
Posted at 6:07 a.m., Wednesday, September 12, 2007

Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq

Associated Press

CLINTON, Iowa — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling for the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. combat brigades from Iraq, with the pullout being completed by the end of next year.
"Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was," Obama said in excerpts of the speech provided to The Associated Press.

"The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year — now," the Illinois senator says.

Obama's ardent opposition to the war has been a central theme of his campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination, and he has used it to distinguish himself from leading rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. She voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq; Obama was not yet a senator.

Obama was trying to further sharpen that distinction Wednesday, spelling out his views on what the U.S. should do next.

He introduced legislation last January calling for withdrawal to start on May 1 and for all combat brigades to be pulled out by March 31, 2008.

Anti-war Democrats and some Republicans want to bring all combat troops home in a matter of months.

In a letter to Bush on Wednesday, Clinton urged him to bring troops home faster and not to use his prime-time speech Thursday to declare new successes in Iraq.

"What you are planning to tell the American people tomorrow night is that one year from now there will be the same number of troops in Iraq as there were one year ago. Mr. President, that is simply too little too late," Clinton wrote.

In criticizing the administration's current strategy, Clinton also linked the president's anticipated speech to the one he gave more than four years ago on an aircraft carrier under a banner that read "Mission accomplished."

"Do not repeat that mistake on Thursday night," Clinton said. "Do not misrepresent the facts about the situation on the ground ... Be candid with the American people."

Obama's speech comes a day after Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker updated Congress on the situation in the war zone during two days of testimony on Capitol Hill.

Petraeus recommended that a 2,000-member Marine unit come home this month and not be replaced. That would be followed in mid-December by the departure of an Army brigade of 3,500 to 4,000 soldiers. An additional four combat brigades would be withdrawn by July 2008.

Obama said the U.S. and the Iraqi government should discuss how to go about withdrawing troops.

"We must get out strategically and carefully, removing troops from secure areas first and keeping troops in more volatile areas until later," Obama said in prepared remarks. Key excerpts were obtained by The Associated Press.

Although he stopped short of calling for an immediate pullout of all troops, Obama said there should be a clear and certain timetable.

"But our drawdown should proceed at a steady pace of one or two brigades each month," he said. "If we start now, all of our combat brigades should be out of Iraq by the end of next year."

By arguing that only combat brigades should be withdrawn — there are 20 in Iraq, including five President Bush sent January — Obama appeared to suggest that other U.S. troops could remain.

Underscoring the importance he was putting on the speech, Obama was being introduced by Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was national security adviser to President Carter from 1977 to 1981. Brzezinski has endorsed Obama's bid, and Wednesday's appearance would be his first on the candidate's behalf.

Obama rejected Petraeus' recommendation to maintain current troop levels through next summer to ensure security gains are maintained.

"The president would have us believe there are two choices: keep all of our troops in Iraq or abandon these Iraqis," Obama said. "I reject this choice."

Instead, he argued for creating an international working group of countries in the region and in Asia and Europe that would work to stabilize Iraq.

Obama called for increasing U.S. aid to $2 billion to support such an effort, to expand access to social services for Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries and to assure that Iraqis displaced inside their own country can find safe haven. He also wants a commission to monitor and hold accountable perpetrators of war crimes in Iraq.

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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2007, 12:11:20 PM »
Ok we pull everybody outr and then give em 2 billion....why not airdrop the cash to Iran instead..because thats who will get it. THIS GUY IS A FUCKING IDIOT. Even Hil won't go that far. This is like handing 2 billion to the folks in downtown Mogadishu ::)
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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2007, 12:12:44 PM »
and people actually want to vote for that douchebag?
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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2007, 12:14:19 PM »
Hey if the Dems mantra is pull out fine..i don't agree...but lets not go crazy. besides we couldn't do that if we wanted to.
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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2007, 12:24:23 PM »
Instead, he argued for creating an international working group of countries in the region and in Asia and Europe that would work to stabilize Iraq.



this is f**king delusional...
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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2007, 12:39:42 PM »
Ok we pull everybody outr and then give em 2 billion....why not airdrop the cash to Iran instead..because thats who will get it. THIS GUY IS A FUCKING IDIOT. Even Hil won't go that far. This is like handing 2 billion to the folks in downtown Mogadishu ::)
We've already just dropped 9 billion in Iraq never to be seen again and the problems there go on.

Every prediction from the republican side of the aisle about this war has been wrong.

I don't see any difference btn Obama's remedy for the war and Ron Paul's.

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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2007, 12:43:58 PM »
Ok we pull everybody outr and then give em 2 billion....why not airdrop the cash to Iran instead..because thats who will get it. THIS GUY IS A FUCKING IDIOT. Even Hil won't go that far. This is like handing 2 billion to the folks in downtown Mogadishu ::)

HH6, as someone who actually experinces the war firsthand, what solution do you think is best to end it from your vantage point?

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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2007, 12:54:49 PM »
Well decker says its a money pit...very true. I think a two year phased withdrawl..we pull back to the major bases and then back to Kuwait...the plan put forth by General P also works but it looks like we're moving toward war with Iran. I'm not sure what form that will take but in Iraq..that will increase terrorist activity. The Iran thing really throws a wrench in to what might happen.
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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2007, 01:26:01 PM »
Democracy has to be established in Iraq.

And the Western nations should help reconstruct Iraq.

But the natural resources, and the earnings from it, should stay in Iraq. Every last cent of it.

That's the only way there will be stability in the region.
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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2007, 02:18:13 PM »
Democracy has to be established in Iraq.

And the Western nations should help reconstruct Iraq.

But the natural resources, and the earnings from it, should stay in Iraq. Every last cent of it.

That's the only way there will be stability in the region.
Democracy cannot be installed.  It has to be wanted and earned.  That's one of the big lessons we should have learned from this fiasco.

The area needs stability...not dreams of democracy.  The local social/religious qualities of the Iraqi people predate and override any extraneous push for democracy.

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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 02:23:06 PM »
Well decker says its a money pit...very true. I think a two year phased withdrawl..we pull back to the major bases and then back to Kuwait...the plan put forth by General P also works but it looks like we're moving toward war with Iran. I'm not sure what form that will take but in Iraq..that will increase terrorist activity. The Iran thing really throws a wrench in to what might happen.
I think this is the best scenario to go with.

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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 04:33:52 PM »
STFU Osama

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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2007, 10:29:57 AM »
A quick withdrawal is pretty much out of the question anyway, Sestak said. It would take 15 to 24 months to get 160,000 U.S. troops, nearly as many contractors and 40 combat brigade equivalents of equipment safely out of Iraq, he said. Exiting Iraq would involve hauling convoys of equipment-laden trucks "through a nonpermissive environment" of ambushes and roadside bombs. It would take about 100 days to empty out and shut down each of the 68 U.S. forward operating bases. If they can be closed four at a time, leaving Iraq would take more than four years.
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Re: Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2007, 10:32:47 AM »
Hussein is out of touch, clueless...and for that matter no worse than the rest of the democrats...as much as i can't stand bush and his crew...i can't see myself voting for anyone but a republican.
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