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Al-Gebra

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All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« on: September 20, 2007, 05:39:19 PM »
Syria continues to interfere in Lebanese politics . . . supporting terrorist killings of several anti-syrian lebanese politicians.

the only nation who seems to be watching them is Israel, which recently bombed Syria . . . just to keep them in line.

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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2007, 09:22:29 AM »
September 22, 2007
Israeli Raid on Syria Fuels Debate on Weapons
By MARK MAZZETTI and DAVID E. SANGER

WASHINGTON, Sept. 21 — American concerns about ties between Syria and North Korea have long focused on a partnership involving missiles and missile technology. Even many hawks within the Bush administration have expressed doubts that the Syrians have the money or technical depth to build a serious nuclear program like the one in Iran.

But the Sept. 6 Israeli airstrike inside Syria has reignited debate over whether the Syrians are trying to overcome past obstacles by starting their own small nuclear program, or by trying to buy nuclear components from an outside supplier. It is a particularly difficult question for American spy agencies, which are still smarting from the huge prewar misjudgments made about the status of Iraq’s weapons programs.

American officials are now sorting through what they say are Israel’s private claims that what their jets struck was tied to nuclear weapons development, not merely to missile production. So far, American officials have been extremely cautious about endorsing the Israeli conclusion.

Syria’s efforts to bolster its missile arsenal have been a source of worry for Israel for years, especially given Syria’s track record of arming Hezbollah fighters when they clash with Israeli troops. During the summer of 2006, Hezbollah, the militant Shiite group, fired hundreds of missiles at targets inside Israel from Lebanon, surprising Israeli officials with the sophistication of its arsenal.

And North Korean engineers are long believed to have helped Syria develop a sophisticated class of Scud missiles that have a longer range and are more accurate than earlier versions. According to GlobalSecurity.org, a defense research organization, North Korea has helped Syria develop the Scud-D missile, with a range of about 435 miles.

Whether Syria is actively pursuing a nuclear program has been the subject of fierce debate in Washington for several years. The dispute was at the center of the fight in 2005 over the nomination of John R. Bolton to become ambassador to the United Nations.

At the time, several intelligence officials said they had clashed in 2002 and 2003 with Mr. Bolton, then an under secretary of state, about the extent of Syria’s unconventional weapons programs. According to the officials, Mr. Bolton wanted to include information in a public speech about a Syrian nuclear program that could not be corroborated by intelligence agencies.

In recent interviews, Mr. Bolton has suggested that the Israeli strike may have partly vindicated his view.

Yet that is hard to assess, since whatever information a few senior officials in Washington and Jerusalem possess has been so restricted that two senior Asian diplomats, representing close American allies who are frequently updated on North Korea, said late this week that they had received no useful information from their American counterparts.

On Thursday, President Bush declined three times to shed any light on the Israeli strike, although he did repeat a warning to North Korea.

It is unclear to what extent the secrecy about the Israeli strike has been motivated by American doubts about the intelligence or by an effort to protect sources and classified information. But American officials are now looking at the possibility that the Syrians saw an opportunity to buy some of the basic components of a nuclear program on the cheap, perhaps because North Korea is trying to get elements of its nuclear program out of the country to meet deadlines in a precarious denuclearization agreement with Washington.

American officials are also studying at least two technology trade agreements between Syria and North Korea that were signed over the summer, trying to determine whether the arrangements may be designed for nascent nuclear cooperation between the two countries.

“One has to balance the skepticism that the Syrians can build an indigenous nuclear program with the very sobering assessment that North Korea is the world’s No. 1 proliferator and a country willing to sell whatever it possesses,” said a former senior Bush administration official who once had full access to the intelligence about both countries, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was discussing intelligence assessments.

Though it has long sold its missile technology — to Syria, Iran, Pakistan and other customers — North Korea has never been known to export nuclear technology or material. Last Oct. 9, hours after the North tested its first nuclear device, Mr. Bush went in front of cameras in the White House to issue the North a specific warning that “the transfer of nuclear weapons or material by North Korea to states or nonstate entities would be considered a grave threat to the United States, and we would hold North Korea fully accountable of the consequences of such action.”

His declaration that day had been urged for years by hard-liners in the administration who believed that the United States had never been explicit enough with North Korea. They saw their opportunity after the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, ignored pressure from China, South Korea, Russia and others and conducted its test.

Even though the Israelis are whispering that there was a nuclear connection to the Sept. 6 attack, so far there has been no hard evidence that the North has ever tried to sell elements of its two nuclear programs. One of those programs, involving plutonium, is quite advanced, enough to produce six to a dozen nuclear weapons. But selling that fuel would be enormously risky, and perhaps easily detectable.

The other program, based on uranium-enrichment equipment believed to have been bought from the network created by Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani nuclear engineer, is assessed to be in its very early stages, and some doubt the North Koreans ever made much progress on it at all. That program involves the construction of centrifuges to enrich uranium, the path that Iran is taking. But it is complex, expensive and hard to hide, and many experts believe it is beyond Syria’s capabilities or budget.

Syria does have one very small research reactor, which is Chinese built. But it was described in a 2004 Swedish defense research agency report as “the smallest on the world market and incapable of military applications.”

John Pike of GlobalSecurity.org said that, given its neighborhood, Syria might be interested in a nuclear deterrent, but that he was highly skeptical that Damascus could at this point have developed anything that would pose a significant risk to Israel.

“Any country in the region that was not at least learning what it would take to develop a nuclear program is asleep at the switch,” he said. “But the proposition that there is anything sufficiently mature to warrant bombing is difficult to believe.”



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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2007, 09:47:15 AM »
Shouldn't this be on the political board?

Well, at least you're not trying to justify the attacks by toeing the nuclear mark... because that is clearly bullshit.

I find it interesting that Israel instituted an official media blackout on any stories dealing with the attack.

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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2007, 10:20:01 AM »
they are all garbage shithole countries... aid should be cut, forces withdrawn... and let them suffer their own fates

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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2007, 09:08:25 PM »
Shouldn't this be on the political board?

Well, at least you're not trying to justify the attacks by toeing the nuclear mark... because that is clearly bullshit.

I find it interesting that Israel instituted an official media blackout on any stories dealing with the attack.

Why is that clearly bullshit?  you privy to some intel?

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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2007, 12:15:14 AM »
Okay, ignore everything in that Times article: the unlikelihood of Syria possessing the ability to develop nukes, the unlikelihood of North Korea actually even having any substantial nuclear capabilities and the inability of anyone in an official capacity to corroborate any evidence verifying nuclear claims.

Isn't Israel's silence a little too deafening? What is with the whisper campaign?





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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2007, 06:31:54 AM »
Okay, ignore everything in that Times article: the unlikelihood of Syria possessing the ability to develop nukes, the unlikelihood of North Korea actually even having any substantial nuclear capabilities and the inability of anyone in an official capacity to corroborate any evidence verifying nuclear claims.

Isn't Israel's silence a little too deafening? What is with the whisper campaign?






why is it so unlikely that N Korea has the ability to construct a rudimentary nuclear device.  the IAEA suggested as much.

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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2007, 02:59:29 PM »
why is it so unlikely that N Korea has the ability to construct a rudimentary nuclear device.  the IAEA suggested as much.

If they have the ability to construct a rudimentary device, that wouldn't surprise me. Do they have the capability to build a nuclear arsenal? Probably not. Were they selling Syria nuclear weapons? Probably not.

The assertion that Nkorea may have been attempting to sell it's nuclear components to Syria  to comply with the American disarmament agreement sounds like a joke. 

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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2007, 03:39:52 PM »
The international community really doesn't have the right to monitor Syria's nuclear activity. :)

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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2007, 04:03:12 PM »
If they have the ability to construct a rudimentary device, that wouldn't surprise me. Do they have the capability to build a nuclear arsenal? Probably not. Were they selling Syria nuclear weapons? Probably not.

The assertion that Nkorea may have been attempting to sell it's nuclear components to Syria  to comply with the American disarmament agreement sounds like a joke. 

Yup . . . probably not . . . sounds like a joke, after all.

Syria would never do things like that . . .  supply Hezbollah . . . supply Iraqi insurgents . . . not Syria.

Never mind, i shouldn't have started this thread.  :-[

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Re: All eyes on Iran, but what about Syria?
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2007, 05:01:07 PM »
Epic not making use of the poilitics forum.