Cycle Critique-milos and gh15 what you think?

[Captain Slin]

This is not for me its for a friend that doesnt have an account he asked me to post it and see what the experts here have to say about it.

Hes 6ft1 250lbs his heaviest was 265lbs that was from his last cycle of 1 gram of test/week for 10 weeks. Hes done 6 cycles before with all sorts of different stuff and combos. 

After abuot 8 weeks on most stuff he doesnt get the same effects and this has been consistent with his past 6 cycles and he got them all from different sources. So from now on he has decided to just drop whtever he is using after 8 weeks and continue the cycle with something else since he only sees very little after the 8 weeks.

 He never gets any puffiness in his nipples no matter what he takes and how long he takes it.... the only PCT he does is over the counter anti-estrogens and tribulus products... sometimes he doest even do that and everything is okay and back to normal within the matter of a month or 2.

Here is the bulking cycle he has planned. Eerything here he has done before except for the anadrol.

Week 1-10:  a blend of test @ 800mg
Weeks 1-8: deca-durab @ 500mg
Weeks 1-4 and weeks 11-14: anadrol 50 @ 50mgs a day
Weeks 9-14: Tren Ace @ 333mg
Weeks 1-10: 3-5 i.u. of Humalog  2 or 3 times a day at least once after workout and one few hrs before with complex carbs pre-workout and simple carbs post-workout
Weeks 1-4 and weeks 13-17: 17-Alpha Oxo Nolone by iron tek @ 2 caps  day
Weeks 13-17: tribuplex 750 by mrm 3 @ 3 caps daily
Weeks 9-17 2 week on 2 weeks off: Liquid Clenbuterol@600mcg daily
Weeks 1-10: Liquid-Liothyronine starting @ 25mcg for 5 days then to 50mcg 5days then to 75mcg for 10 days then pyramid down the same way up except also 15 mcg for 5 days before ending thyroid use.
Weeks 14-17: Dandelion Root at regular dosage 3 caps daily.

He is throwing in the tren, dandelion root, thyroid, clen, anti-estrogen, and test stimulant to solidfy his gains towards the end, keep fat levels down from the insulin, get rid of excess water and get system back to normal. The anti-estrogen is present in the beginning of the cycle to lower estrogen effects from the test so the anadrol is not as harsh with the high levels of estrogen and then re-introduced at the end for obvious reasons.

oh yeah, every night he is going to have 1 gram of lindts chocolate that is over 85% cocoa with plenty of green tea extract and green tea.

Any thoughts on this?

[benchmstr]

i would like to see more bacon in this diet.

bench

[Captain Slin]

i would like to see more bacon in this diet.

bench

what do you mean?

[trab]

I personaly get issues over 400mg Deca. (ANd no benifits)

ANapolon - 2X ed. You feel like crap on one or two tabs anyway.
 Its not that long of 1/2 life product. I allways use 2 ed. It's up to him.
3 ed for 2 weeks never killed me.
Considrer about 1/2 as long at doulble the dose. (2x 50mg ed   X 14-20 days)
Anyone allready smooth and fat may not want OXY in the plan. You WILL bloat up.

HGH? 2iu shots max for anyone but those who dont need be askin questions about it.
More shots spaced evenly. But I hit the morning cardio area for sure.

Dont try use herbs in place of Ai's, nolva, HCG, clomid.
Have all the above on hand and know how to use them prior to start or   U-B-Sorry.

[RDW]

600mcg/day of Clen?

[Iraclese]

First off if your friend is not a pro making money at being a bodybuilder he is crazy.  And second didn't I just get my balls busted for posting for a friend? 

[trab]

600mcg/day of Clen?

No SHit! BETTER CHECK THAT CLEN DOSE !!!!!!

[trab]

First off if your friend is not a pro making money at being a bodybuilder he is crazy.  And second didn't I just get my balls busted for posting for a friend? 

Dont sweat it, but it get anoying when 12 guys a week bullshit about "Friends". Weve seen guys who are up front
about what they use ask re: a friend here now and  then. Several here know each other or kind of do.

ThE above cycle leaves me w/ MANY questions. Not that the doses are THAT extreme for a experienced user, but
I dont detect any/ much experience. Thaat = PROBLEMS.

[Captain Slin]

the clen is probably 60mcg a day.

what shows you inexperience?

[trab]

the clen is probably 60mcg a day.

what shows you inexperience?

Not Necessarily shows inexperience, just some raises questions... the test to Deca ratio is problematic for many guys, the 600mcg clen was  worriesome. Not a issue now.

The > 2iu shots of HGH. Yes some do well, but many dont.

Anytime I see herbals, I immediatly think of the Daft Pro Hormone crowd that has ideas from Mars.
**NOT HAVING Ai's ,Nolva HCG Clomid ON HAND IS A INVATATION TO TROUBLE.**
**Using 600-800TE and deca and Drol REQUIRES PROPER PCT.**
In fact if he alllways stops progess @ 8weeks like clock work, HCG right then makes sense. HCG requires Nolva for myself. I'd just keep changing up stacks from androgenic to anabolic w/ HCG courese between for my tollerance level of duration.

I see often mention of guys "Blending" TE & TC and mixes that allready had Tprop. Hey, if they want a hormonal roller coaster, thats a great way to get one. Thy can have PMS for months on end. 
Straight TE or TC better. Lead in with and/ or finish with Tprop. Other than that blends make problems for most guys
planning. Even SUS seem to make more problems than worth for 90%.ANd Organon put a fortune in its R & D.

Other thing, Does he REALLY NEED 800mg of test?  How longs he been off?
If its been a legit 4 months or so after last shot, 600mg TE w/ 400 deca and the drol right off the bat
will kick ass. Perhaps lead in w/ 800 then drop to 600. What Im saying is not everyone feels great on
800- 1 Gram. If so , Great. But lots cant figure why they feel like crap. Cant gain like that.
Just need enough to boost things.

 

[Captain Slin]

Not Necessarily shows inexperience, just some raises questions... the test to Deca ratio is problematic for many guys, the 600mcg clen was  worriesome. Not a issue now.

The > 2iu shots of HGH. Yes some do well, but many dont.

Anytime I see herbals, I immediatly think of the Daft Pro Hormone crowd that has ideas from Mars.
**NOT HAVING Ai's ,Nolva HCG Clomid ON HAND IS A INVATATION TO TROUBLE.**
**Using 600-800TE and deca and Drol REQUIRES PROPER PCT.**
In fact if he alllways stops progess @ 8weeks like clock work, HCG right then makes sense. HCG requires Nolva for myself. I'd just keep changing up stacks from androgenic to anabolic w/ HCG courese between for my tollerance level of duration.

I see often mention of guys "Blending" TE & TC and mixes that allready had Tprop. Hey, if they want a hormonal roller coaster, thats a great way to get one. Thy can have PMS for months on end. 
Straight TE or TC better. Lead in with and/ or finish with Tprop. Other than that blends make problems for most guys
planning. Even SUS seem to make more problems than worth for 90%.ANd Organon put a fortune in its R & D.

Other thing, Does he REALLY NEED 800mg of test?  How longs he been off?
If its been a legit 4 months or so after last shot, 600mg TE w/ 400 deca and the drol right off the bat
will kick ass. Perhaps lead in w/ 800 then drop to 600. What Im saying is not everyone feels great on
800- 1 Gram. If so , Great. But lots cant figure why they feel like crap. Cant gain like that.
Just need enough to boost things.

 

Like I said he has done all of this before except for the anadrol. He is doing it this way for the very reason that the conventional way does not work well for him. Its been 3 months since the last time, and last time he was running 1gram. He didnt see much change after around 800mg from his cycles in the past vs 1gram of test so now he is going bac to 800mg. For him that is the best with no noticeable side effects what so ever and great gains.

He says the test and deca ratio is also common and he doesnt know what people really are talking about because he never experiences any harsh issues with this. In fact he use to take tren and deca at the same time WITHOUT test and had no problems what so ever.

another thing two people have tlked about gh in the cycle. What gh? There is not one i u of GH in the entire cycle what are you talking abuot? Now that is weird that some people are critiquing a cycle and its obvious they didnt even pay close enough attention to what was in it.

He has used whats considerd "proper PCT" with nolva HCG CLomid blah bla all that and when he experiemented wit over the counter supps there was no difference and it costs way less. He does not have one tiny site of gyno and he never fails to get it up with a chick.

he did ask for a critique tho but hes done it the way people are suggesting in this thread and hasnt had much success with it that way thats why things are changed around.

the test is not a personal blend thats the make of the test, it is supertest350.

[trab]

I saw ius and didnt see its slin. I dont use slin period.

Hey, if it works dont screw with it. What turns my dick off may work well for him.

I find it hard to believe that no conventional PCT works w/ real AAS.(esp 1 Gr)

Ive crashed like a rock straight off  600mg, and I'd never want to do that again given a choice.

Does he tapper down from a gram? Because if not, and he notices nothing stopping cold - hes not using real steroid or its massively underdosed.

There is NO WAY  to crash straight off 1 gram of Testo and deca and not feel like ever loving shit!
Its not possible. If thats his experience, wait till he gets hold of some legit steroid, because 1. Hes gona
gain like a monster BUT 2. He gonna crash like a ship anchor.

[RDW]

For the most part it looks okay to me except I don't like stopping the test while you are still taking the tren but it's not gonna kill ya, tren shuts me down pretty hard so I keep the test going as long as I'm taking it.  If you are using a long acting ester (i.e. enanthate or cypionate) then you can stop it a week or 2 before the tren A (but not tren E).

I don't like the PCT, with Test, Deca, and Tren I would definately be using HCG and nolva/clomid.  I don't generally mess around with prohormones so I don't really know much about the ones you have listed.  You mentioned that the 600mcg of clen was a typo so that's okay, but I'm confused with your T3, you say weeks 1-10 but list it as 5 days 25mcg , 5 days 50mcg , 10 days 75mcg , 5 days 50mcg 5 days 25mcg, 5 days 15mcg.  That is only 35 days, which is fine but you said weeks 1-10, am I missing something?

How much 'slin experience do you have? 

[MaTrlx]

I see often mention of guys "Blending" TE & TC and mixes that allready had Tprop. Hey, if they want a hormonal roller coaster, thats a great way to get one. Thy can have PMS for months on end. 
Straight TE or TC better. Lead in with and/ or finish with Tprop. Other than that blends make problems for most guys
planning. Even SUS seem to make more problems than worth for 90%.ANd Organon put a fortune in its R & D.

This may be the reason why people experience the so called "roid rage" or mood swings, due to the monster blood levels yo-yoing effect. Now i know why people who run test blends "incorrectly" seem to be pretty emotional and  aggressive at times.