question about HRT

[Obvious Gimmick]

Hi guys, i have an Rx for 150 mg's a week of test cyp and some Hcg.  Is this enough to make any difference or a waste of time

[krazee]

Your question is a little vague.

If you are asking if it is going to level you back to level playing field with someone who does not have low test levels, then no...

And yes 250 is the norm, from what my doctor has told me.

[krazee]

Fair enough, smile and hair...well that I can't help you with. In fact I can't even promise you that I will help with my suggestions...but here you go...up your doses of cyp to at least 500 and add in some eq around 400...go at it for about 12 weeks and you should be good. As far as the HCG I don't believe with a stack like this you would need it at the end...but...you could add it in at the end last 3 weeks of the cycle  and 2 weeks there after.

[trab]

Hi guys, i have an Rx for 150 mg's a week of test cyp and some Hcg.  Is this enough to make any difference or a waste of time / money.

about me: 38 with low test levels. don't know exactly how low but I'm remembering it was was in the 250 range. Been working out for a few years and have pretty much leveled out with my progress. Thanks!

Thats not much of a dose.
 250 TT is very low. I feel like ever luvin' shiet when I've knocked mine down that low post cycle.
Thing is Test levels vary a lot. Hows your diet? Were ya eatin a high protine and Fat diet before the blood tests?

ALso, after about 3-5 weeks of useing that dose, your narural levels may downshift further.
Even sum game.

Was it a HRT joint, a family practice, or internal med or Endocrinoligist that wrote the 'script?

THe HCG may kick ass if your testes can make testosterone, but 150mg TC ew is not even a good HRT dose IME.
Im surprised they didnt try to give you creme. It may be better than the 150mg.
Steadier, and if use enough as high a blood level as the shots of that puny dose.

You need 400-600mg ew for about 3 months with training and diet to see BBing results.

[trab]

the goal according to the HRT people is go get my test up to 850 or so, does that sound right?

Not with that tiny shot of 150mg.
 Perhaps once - if they time a blood drawl at precicely the right time,
after your 1st shot. After a few weeks naural production will decrease, even from that little dose.
Then your about where you started, or a little higher only and on permanent jabs, great for the HRT joint and
no real gain for you.

Get another blood test from your Dr. Preferably at least a internal med Dr. Not a "Family Practice Dr".
Your wasting your time and gas w/ a Family Practice Dr.

Ask for a referal to endocrinoligy if your Dr is not helpfull. Tell him if you: Low to no sex-drive/ function, tired,
weight, strength loss, poor apetite... If they try to give you antidepressants turn ass-hole. Tell 'em yur not depresed, you know EXACTLY what is bothering you... Low to now sex drive etc.
 

[jakecody]

So 150 mg/week is too low of dose for BB purposes.  What would be the MINIMAL dose one could use (especially first cycle) to see results assuming training and diet are in place?  I know 500 mg/week is a popular dose, but what about 250? 350?

[trab]

So 150 mg/week is too low of dose for BB purposes.  What would be the MINIMAL dose one could use (especially first cycle) to see results assuming training and diet are in place?  I know 500 mg/week is a popular dose, but what about 250? 350?

Even 200mg of TE will cause down regualtion of natural Test levels. There is no free lunch.
If you going to supress it , and go thru w/ the somewhat unpleasant readjustment phase - why not make it worth the trouble and expense?

IMO < around 400mg Te + 200mg Deca combined is a waste. Even 1st time.
You can actualy end up doing 1 step forward, 2 steps back if dont do it right.

[RDW]

Hi guys, i have an Rx for 150 mg's a week of test cyp and some Hcg.  Is this enough to make any difference or a waste of time / money.

about me: 38 with low test levels. don't know exactly how low but I'm remembering it was was in the 250 range. Been working out for a few years and have pretty much leveled out with my progress. Thanks!

Make sure you understand the levels you are talking about, normal test levels for someone your age is between 250 and 900 ng/dl not mg/wk incase some people were confused about that.  150mg/wk is an appropriate HRT level, but will not aide you much in body building. If it is an increase over your normal production then you will see some benefits, but don't expect them to be much.  If you want to see real gains I'd suggest no less than 400mg/week.  If your doctor won't give you that much just stockpile it and keep getting refills until you have enough, take some cyp a week before you go in for checkups though so he doesn't get too suspicious.

[trab]

Another question would be what free testosterone was. HRT places generaly pull that also.
Its possible to have very low FT even w/ 400-600ng/dl. TT

Your Kind of in a bind w/  a  250 TT.   Im not sure what kind of net gain in TT level you'll be looking at in
8 weeks with that lousy little dose. Not long ago they'd kindly write up to 600 TE and Deca etc on the side.

RDW has a good point. Although the stuff aint cheap from the Pharma, its 100% dosed and clean.
Its a shame they tightened up the  Drs  'script pads. It was actually a good deal.
Cyp down to $70/ 10ml with a script was not bad.

[trab]

what is an effective dose of HCG? my script is for 1000 i.u.'s a week

They usualy sell it in 10,000iu vials. a 1000iu shot has pretty good kick (if your testes respond to it, if for some reason you have hypogonadism of one or the other sort, they may not respond)

It has a double peak respones, like 48 hrs after the shot, theres a 2nd peak.

I like it every 3rd day @ 1000iu. Ive used up to 2500. 1000 does fine.
I personaly allways use 20mg ed Nolva with it allways at the 1000iu dose.

Some guys like it at 300-500iu along w/ AAS. I didnt care for that. I use it after AAS.

They sent you a 10cc vial of Testo right? 

[trab]

i got a 10 mg @150/ mg bottle of test cyp and a 10000 unit of HGC all for the low low price of 250 sheckles

Are you  in Israel? That would explain for the differance in medical practice.
Ive never heard of 150mg/ ml testo and I hope to never see it. Utterly stupid.
Whoever is responsible for making that should be slapped.

[trab]

yes currently in isreal, but from usa. i think ill take R's opinion and save it up for 3 or 4 months, then double or triple up to 30 - 450 a week for 12-15 weeks. thanks guys

I thought Steroid was not so tightly controled in your location?
But saving it like that will work.
If you could add Deca at 150-200mg to 300-400mg of Testo it would help a lot.