List 5 differences between natural and steroid bodybuilding

[England_1]

If you take pro-hormones, M1T, superdrol, any of that crap you are not natural. Period.

[gtbro1]

If you take pro-hormones, M1T, superdrol, any of that crap you are not natural. Period.

ppfffft.

[GoneAway]

england_1 speaks the truth. u dont get those type of gains from any natural product.

[gtbro1]

england_1 speaks the truth. u dont get those type of gains from any natural product.

PRO HORMONES are garbage.

[GoneAway]

well ppl have used them and gained quite nicely.

[trab]

well ppl have used them and gained quite nicely.

PPL gain quite nice on bacon and eggs too.

[GoneAway]

indeed, but prohormones are often taken off the market due to their discovered anabolic qualities.

[trab]

indeed, but prohormones are often taken off the market due to their discovered anabolic qualities.

Taken off market because they violate law, tahts all.

[busyB]

Maybe this could be the problem.  From what I hear, if you're an older guy (30+) your progress will be slow even on AAS.  If you had started when you were younger (20-24) you might have blown up with less effort and less juice.

Not neccessarily. I made a concious decision not to juice at my younger age because I wanted to max out where I could go naturally. In hind sight, probably should have started a bit earlier rather than taking the pro-hormones. My progress has been tremendous since using and the doses I used are not outlandish either.

Was not trying to debate whether I was natural or not because of my pro-hormone use, I followed the rules of the "Natural Bodybuilding Organizations" I competed in. I was mearly saying, natty or not, we all are in the game for the same reasons.

Bottom line is, work hard, eat, rest and results will come no matter what you use because without that, you can juice till oil comes out your ears and not make gains. It is not a cure all!!! So, it is always about the effort you put in all areas of making muscular gains...

[gtbro1]

well ppl have used them and gained quite nicely.

 Maybe the gains people made ,they would have made anyway.
   I don't know anyone who has made any dramatic gains from them.I don't know anbout what's out now..but back in the late 90's when they first came out I used about every one of em.

They do just about enough to supress your natural test levels and not much more.

[gtbro1]

indeed, but prohormones are often taken off the market due to their discovered anabolic qualities.

   wrong

[GoneAway]

   wrong

ok, so tell me why they are taken off.

[trab]

ok, so tell me why they are taken off.

BECAUSE THEY ARE DANGEROUS, UNTESTED USELESS SHIT.

WAHT BETTER ANSWER COULD YOU WANT.

GTBRO1 IS 100% ON TARGET.

FORGET THIS SHIT AND LIFT AND EAT. IT IS TRASH AND HARMFULL.

YES YOU CAN END UP PISSING BLOOD FROM THEM, GOOD LUCK.

[GoneAway]

half the natural products claiming a possibility for growth are useless but they are still on shelf.

[trab]

half the natural products claiming a possibility for growth are useless but they are still on shelf.

More like 99% 

Creatin, WHey, Mulitvit, Glutamine, BCAA,  Thats about all thats worth buying.

[GoneAway]

exactly. and if ur gonna get steroids, get the real deal

[Hedgehog]

More like 99% 

Creatin, WHey, Mulitvit, Glutamine, BCAA,  Thats about all thats worth buying.

I went to a seminar once, three products were claimed that actually were legal and would give a boost to performance (in different ways) were creatine, caffeine and baking soda.

Everything else was considered equal to sound nutrition, eg whey protein.

Or worthless unless there was a deficiency in the body (ZMA).

[gtbro1]

ok, so tell me why they are taken off.

It all started with Mark Mcguire admitting he used Andro. Then the homerun record and the witch hunt in pro baseball and  bla bla bla.

[trab]

It all started with Mark Mcguire admitting he used Andro. Then the homerun record and the witch hunt in pro baseball and  bla bla bla.

I figured the andro was a convienent excuse for a bad T:E ratio if they ever asked.
It was OTC and not banned, so he could use some testo and have a perfect excuse for a blown test. 

[gtbro1]

I figured the andro was a convienent excuse for a bad T:E ratio if they ever asked.
It was OTC and not banned, so he could use some testo and have a perfect excuse for a blown test. 

   BINGO.    That what I figured too. Also that could have something to do with them being pulled from the market. I don't mean HIM in particular...but there were some athletes that blamed testing possitive for decca on the 19-nor pro hormones...make em illegal and that ruins that excuse for everyone. just a thought.

[trab]

   BINGO.    That what I figured too. Also that could have something to do with them being pulled from the market. I don't mean HIM in particular...but there were some athletes that blamed testing possitive for decca on the 19-nor pro hormones...make em illegal and that ruins that excuse for everyone. just a thought.

I think the bottom line is - They are drugs.
Drugs that are untested. The pharma industry spends a fortune to bring drugs to market and the viciously protect that turf.
There's lots of politics & competition in Pharma and what is made available as it competes with other companys products.
Also, there is a major interest to replace older drugs with much more spendy new ones.
Drug pattents expire and then the 1000% profit margin goes out the window when any Pharma Corp can make it generic.

Most the Old guys on ED drugs (Viagra, Cialis,Levitra ) Have low testo. One or two cc of Sustanon would do more for them for 3 weeks at a fraction of the cost of ED drugs. There is little profit in common sense.

ANadrol was pulled from the US market and replaced by much more spendy (and dangerous) EPO.
The AIDS and Gay loby had a big part in making it widely available again.

Corruption and greed rule. Nothing new.

[busyB]

   BINGO.    That what I figured too. Also that could have something to do with them being pulled from the market. I don't mean HIM in particular...but there were some athletes that blamed testing possitive for decca on the 19-nor pro hormones...make em illegal and that ruins that excuse for everyone. just a thought.

These athletes buy these pro-hormones looking for and edge but they all end up testing positive. All pro-hormones are tweaking the chemisty of real drugs and 19 nor will be a tweak of nandrolone. Then when the FDA bans that product, they tweak it again, making another hormone. The government has re-written the law so many times and are falling short of a "blanket" law that bans them all. I have heard horry stories of where some of this shit is made.

[musclehedz]

Your post makes no sense (IMO). I've seen juicers that look like shit & natty's that look like shit & vice versa. Again I'll ask this: Who gives a fuck who takes or doesn't take steroids? Does it matter in the long run. I think all that is important is we train - be it "assisted" or not. I've said this over & over I've got no problem training naturally & no problem training "assisted". In all honesty my training style doesn't change much on or off - with the exception of maybe using a little more weight or banging out a few more reps when taking AAS. The only thing I suggest is being honest about your useage or lack there of.

Can't we all just get along? 

Amen. It's just that steroid users are tired of all the bullshit that is tossed around in the media/boards etc. All "science" of people who never even used a.s.

[Rimbaud]

Amen. It's just that steroid users are tired of all the bullshit that is tossed around in the media/boards etc. All "science" of people who never even used a.s.

Exactly. I've got respect for anyone who trains regularly - be it assisted or not. I haven't been on anything in seven months & I'm fine with that. My training remains the same.

[Knives]

Exactly. I've got respect for anyone who trains regularly - be it assisted or not. I haven't been on anything in seven months & I'm fine with that. My training remains the same.

Have you kept the gains you made during your cycle?