Congress gave Bush authority to bomb Iran today?

[240 is Back]

Declared their national army a terror cell.  Jsut like that.  Under the Bush doctrine, we can take out any terror cell without warning.  Looks like we're going to be hitting targets to set things back there 8-10 years in their nuke program.  I support it.  I don't want another war, but I'm okay with taking out their nuke facilities and maybe getting a finger in that oil.

Also they talked about Israel bombing a syrian nuke facility on sept 6 of this year.  Looks like syria was being sneaky, playing footsie witht he n koreans on WMD materials and technical knowhow.

None of these dem candidates will either agree with - or condemn - israel attacking iran.  So maybe they'll do it for us! 

[Decker]

It is clear that the majority of democrats and republicans are complicit in the design and execution of this potential attack against Iran.

Legally, the US has no right to bomb Iran's domestic nuclear facilities.  That being said, weapons-wise, the nuclear genie is out of the bottle.  As technology becomes more sophisticated, the capability of other countries to develop the bomb will increase.

Arbitrarily bombing countries's allegedly developing the bomb is a ham-handed and clumsy attempt to curb the inevitable.  This is why negotiations, treaties and a strong international presence in the world is better.  The US doesn't have the resources to adopt the 'bomb first' approach to managing nuclear armament in the world.  We just have to make sure that MAD is sustained and good police work is utilized to nail any terrorists.

Will US's approach be as easy as bombing Iran and helping ourselves to the oil?  I don't think so.

Does anyone think that Russia, China and North Korea (Iran's allies) will just sit this attack out.  What will the world-wide muslim community make of this attack?  How will they react?

I can see Al Qaeda's ranks swelling from this invasion.

[youandme]

Does anyone think that Russia, China and North Korea (Iran's allies) will just sit this attack out.  What will the world-wide muslim community make of this attack?  How will they react?

Here is the real question.


Hey we got France backing us 

[headhuntersix]

Decker...treaties and meetings and bits of paper have never worked..they provide a band aid at best. Bombing the Iraqi nuclear facility by Israel set them back essentially forever. Thats what will happen here. Many Arab countries don't want a nuclear Iran. We aren't invading anyway..we're bombing.

[rockyfortune]

did i miss something? when did all this happen?

[Fury]

It is clear that the majority of democrats and republicans are complicit in the design and execution of this potential attack against Iran.

Legally, the US has no right to bomb Iran's domestic nuclear facilities.  That being said, weapons-wise, the nuclear genie is out of the bottle.  As technology becomes more sophisticated, the capability of other countries to develop the bomb will increase.

Arbitrarily bombing country's allegedly developing the bomb is a ham-handed and clumsy attempt to curb the inevitable.  This is why negotiations, treaties and a strong international presence in the world is better.  The US doesn't have the resources to adopt the 'bomb first' approach to managing nuclear armament in the world.  We just have to make sure that MAD is sustained and good police work is utilized to nail any terrorists.

Will US's approach be as easy as bombing Iran and helping ourselves to the oil?  I don't think so.

Does anyone think that Russia, China and North Korea (Iran's allies) will just sit this attack out.  What will the world-wide muslim community make of this attack?  How will they react?

I can see Al Qaeda's ranks swelling from this invasion.

hahaha, you think Russia would do anything? They're licking their chops at the possibility to come in after we annihilate Iran and pick up the pieces and extend their influence.

Iran has what's coming to them. They continue to push this nuclear topic when their economy is in the shitter, unemployment's through the roof, and countless other problems on the home front, yet they're sticking their nose into international affairs constantly.

[Decker]

Decker...treaties and meetings and bits of paper have never worked..they provide a band aid at best. Bombing the Iraqi nuclear facility by Israel set them back essentially forever. Thats what will happen here. Many Arab countries don't want a nuclear Iran. We aren't invading anyway..we're bombing.

That is a fruitless task.  We don't even know where all the nuclear facilities are located--above or below ground.

If I'm not mistaken, we have survived the Soviet nuclear threat for over 60 years with those bits of paper and meetings.

Why?

B/c of MAD.  Mutual Assured Destruction.

That is the club and the treaties, conferences and such keep us from using that club.

[Decker]

hahaha, you think Russia would do anything? They're licking their chops at the possibility to come in after we annihilate Iran and pick up the pieces and extend their influence.

Iran has what's coming to them. They continue to push this nuclear topic when their economy is in the shitter, unemployment's through the roof, and countless other problems on the home front, yet they're sticking their nose into international affairs constantly.

Russia is already in Iran.  Who do you think is providing the oversight for the construction of the their domestic nuclear power plants?

Iran has every right in the world to push for domestic nuclear power development.

It's the neocons that are pushing the weapons charges.

But in fairness, the nuclear secret is no longer a secret.  The technology for developing the bomb will only improve.  Therefore access to the bomb will only improve.  It is a problem that must be dealt with.

Could you tell me some of the international affairs they are constantly sticking their noses into?

[kh300]

decker should run for president.. hes got the answer for everything. shit, we dont even need a congress or anyone, just hand over everything to decker. he knows it all

[drkaje]

Maybe the region needs another nuclear superpower to balance things out.

At any rate, some military action against Iran is inevitable. They live in the wrong neighborhood and support the Palestinians. It is also rumored that they killed Santa Claus.

[2ND COMING]

if iran's nuclear facility's are bombed, how many will die?

surely iran would declare war on that

[OzmO]

I have to agree with Decker.   Common sense tells anyone who has common sense  , that starting another war isn't the answer as more and more countries will get nuclear weapons. 

[youandme]

if iran's nuclear facility's are bombed, how many will die?

surely iran would declare war on that

It's called "Collateral Damage" starring Arnold

"bomb bomb bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"

[24KT]

decker should run for president.. hes got the answer for everything. shit, we dont even need a congress or anyone, just hand over everything to decker. he knows it all

Well from what I've heard from Decker, ...he'd probably do one heckuva much better job than your current president and congress combined!

I find it rather revealing that during the 1970's, the case for a nuclear iran was made and supported by many of the neocons in office today. It was felt that in the coming years, the increased energy needs of Iran made nuclear power an absolute necessity. 30 years later, those needs have only increased, yet the very people who argued for it then, are unable to see the necessity for it now.

one thing is for sure... if bombs start dropping on Iran, ...you can rest assured that any domestic energy program they might have will quickly turn to a nuclear weapons program.

[Dos Equis]

I have to agree with Decker.   Common sense tells anyone who has common sense  , that starting another war isn't the answer as more and more countries will get nuclear weapons. 

I'm not so sure.  If we know a country that has called for the destruction of our country and our allies (e.g., Israel) is on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon, why shouldn't we take out those facilities?  Wouldn't that kind of action protect us?   

I have no opinion about Iran and haven't looked at the possibility of air strikes over there, but I can see logic behind a possible strike.   

[24KT]

I'm not so sure.  If we know a country that has called for the destruction of our country and our allies (e.g., Israel) is on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon, why shouldn't we take out those facilities?  Wouldn't that kind of action protect us?   

I have no opinion about Iran and haven't looked at the possibility of air strikes over there, but I can see logic behind a possible strike.   

 

That is probably one of the biggest examples of BS, hypocritical doublespeak I have ever heard from your lips!

You have no opinion about Iran? ...and you haven't looked at the possibilities of air strikes over there?
...but you can see logic behind a possible strike?!  Are you on crack? seriously?

If you have no opinion, and haven't looked into the possibilities... SHUT THE FVCK UP!!! Please & Thank You!

Yours is the bullshit sheeple thinking that has allowed your country to get into the bloody clusterfuck it's now in.
Renounce your citizenship immediately 'cause you're a disgrace to your country!

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[Dos Equis]

That is probably one of the biggest examples of BS, hypocritical doublespeak I have ever heard from your lips!

You have no opinion about Iran? ...and you haven't looked at the possibilities of air strikes over there?
...but you can see logic behind a possible strike?!  Are you on crack? seriously?

If you have no opinion, and haven't looked into the possibilities... SHUT THE FVCK UP!!! Please & Thank You!

Yours is the bullshit sheeple thinking that has allowed your country to get into the bloody clusterfuck it's now in.
Renounce your citizenship immediately 'cause you're a disgrace to your country!

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=171154.msg2405186#msg2405186

Off our medication today are we?  I have a better idea.  How about I express my opinion any way I darn well please and if you have a problem with how I do so, you can hop on a plane, fly to Honolulu, and plant your lips on my big ole rear end.  Does that work for you? 

[24KT]

Off our medication today are we?  I have a better idea.  How about I express my opinion any way I darn well please and if you have a problem with how I do so, you can hop on a plane, fly to Honolulu, and plant your lips on my big ole rear end.  Does that work for you? 

{lol} I'll be heading to Hawaii sooner than you think, ...and when I arrive, the only thing of mine going near your big fat ass will be my shoe. It may infact be inserted so far up your anatomy, ...you may need to eat a pound of Ex-Lax, ...just for me to get it back!

[Dos Equis]

{lol} I'll be heading to Hawaii sooner than you think, ...and when I arrive, the only thing of mine going near your big fat ass will be my shoe. It may infact be inserted so far up your anatomy, ...you may need to eat a pound of Ex-Lax, ...just for me to get it back!

That's great tutu.  I highly recommend you stay on Kahoolawe when you come. 

[Decker]

I'm not so sure.  If we know a country that has called for the destruction of our country and our allies (e.g., Israel) is on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon, why shouldn't we take out those facilities?  Wouldn't that kind of action protect us?   

I have no opinion about Iran and haven't looked at the possibility of air strikes over there, but I can see logic behind a possible strike.   

Do you remember that the policy of the Russians a few years ago was the destruction of capitalist America?  How did Reagan handle that?

He called them evil, built up the military and engaged our opponents at the discussion table.

According to most republican supporters, Reagan ended the cold war.

Did he have to bomb the Russians into oblivion to achieve victory?  No.

Here we have a historical proof that military might and diplomatic efforts achieve the desired result.

Why bomb when we don't have to?

[rockyfortune]

maybe the air force needs the practice...

[headhuntersix]

That is a fruitless task.  We don't even know where all the nuclear facilities are located--above or below ground.

If I'm not mistaken, we have survived the Soviet nuclear threat for over 60 years with those bits of paper and meetings.

Why?

B/c of MAD.  Mutual Assured Destruction.

That is the club and the treaties, conferences and such keep us from using that club.

Heh...these guys had something to loose. They ran things based on a political ideology. Things have changed. These religious nutbags can't be trusted. While Iran does have something to loose, atleast by our standards, I not sure some of the folks running that country care. I bet the Generals care, I'm sure some of the moderate Mullahs, enjoying the fruits of oil industry care, but the ultra conservatives, I'd think they'd rather we all glow.

[Deicide]

Do you remember that the policy of the Russians a few years ago was the destruction of capitalist America?  How did Reagan handle that?

He called them evil, built up the military and engaged our opponents at the discussion table.

According to most republican supporters, Reagan ended the cold war.

Did he have to bomb the Russians into oblivion to achieve victory?  No.

Here we have a historical proof that military might and diplomatic efforts achieve the desired result.

Why bomb when we don't have to?

Agreed; Diplomacy first...

[Decker]

Heh...these guys had something to loose. They ran things based on a political ideology. Things have changed. These religious nutbags can't be trusted. While Iran does have something to loose, atleast by our standards, I not sure some of the folks running that country care. I bet the Generals care, I'm sure some of the moderate Mullahs, enjoying the fruits of oil industry care, but the ultra conservatives, I'd think they'd rather we all glow.

Yeah, I think their religious stuff is awful.  But when it comes to survival, the Iranian leaders are no different than the Russians, Pakistan/India or Iraq under Hussein:  Nobody wants to be obliterated by a nuclear attack.  These governmental leaders are rational to grasp that concept.

I mean if India and Pakistan can live together w/ nuclear weapons, there must be some validity to the idea that self-preservation trumps religious/political craziness.  We have to remember to keep our opponent's rhetoric to its own arena.

[headhuntersix]

I'm not saying we have to bomb..but a case for Iran being easily worse then Saddam can be made. This guy has says he has nukes. I think at this point it doesn't matter what we think or post. We're going to do something, before Israel does it herself. They hit syria..bombed something and used SOF units to take capture something. These guys aren't playing. Last summer woke them up.