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By JOHN M. BRODER and JAMES RISEN

WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 — The American security contractor Blackwater USA has been involved in a far higher rate of shootings while guarding American diplomats in Iraq than other security firms providing similar services to the State Department, according to Bush administration officials and industry officials.

Blackwater is now the focus of investigations in both Baghdad and Washington over a Sept. 16 shooting in which at least 11 Iraqis were killed. Beyond that episode, the company has been involved in episodes in which its personnel have fired their weapons while guarding State Department officials in Iraq at least twice as often per convoy mission as security guards working for other American security firms, the officials said.

The disclosure came as Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said he was sending a team of Pentagon investigators to Iraq to get answers to questions about the use of American security contractors there.

The State Department keeps reports on each case in which weapons were fired by security personnel guarding American diplomats in Iraq. Officials familiar with the internal State Department reports would not provide the actual statistics, but they indicated that the records showed that Blackwater personnel were involved in dozens of episodes in which they have resorted to force.

The officials said that Blackwater incident rate was at least twice that recorded by employees of DynCorp International and Triple Canopy, the two other United States-based security firms that have been contracted by the State Department to provide security for diplomats and other senior civilians in Iraq.


The State Department would not comment on most matters relating to Blackwater, citing the current investigation. But Sean McCormack, the department’s chief spokesman, said that of 1,800 escort missions conducted by Blackwater so far this year, there had been “only a very small fraction, very small fraction, that have involved any sort of use of force.”

In 2005, DynCorp reported 32 shootings during about 3,200 convoy missions, and in 2006 that company reported 10 episodes during about 1,500 convoy missions. While comparable Blackwater statistics were not available, government officials said the firm’s rate per convoy mission was about twice that of DynCorp.

The State Department’s incident reports have not been made public, and Blackwater refused to provide its own data on cases in which its personnel used their weapons while guarding American diplomats. The State Department is in the process of providing at least some of the data to Congress. The administration and industry officials who agreed to discuss the broad rate of Blackwater’s involvement in violent events would not disclose the specific numbers.

“The incident rate for Blackwater is higher, there is a distinction,” said a senior American government official who insisted on anonymity in order to discuss a sensitive ongoing investigation. “The real question that is open for discussion is why.”

A Blackwater spokeswoman declined to comment.

Blackwater, based in North Carolina, has gained a reputation among Iraqis and even among American military personnel serving in Iraq as a company that flaunts an aggressive, quick-draw image that leads its security personnel to take excessively violent actions to protect the people they are paid to guard. After the latest shooting, the Iraqi government demanded that the company be banned from operating in the country.

“You can find any number of people, particularly in uniform, who will tell you that they do see Blackwater as a company that promotes a much more aggressive response to things than other main contractors do,” a senior American official said.

Today, Blackwater operates in the most violent parts of Iraq and guards the most prominent American diplomats, which some American government officials say explains why they are involved in more shootings than their competitors. The shootings included in the reports include all cases in which weapons are fired, including those meant as warning shots. Others add that Blackwater’s aggressive posture in guarding diplomats reflects the wishes of its client, the State Department’s Diplomatic Security Bureau.

Still, other government officials believe that Blackwater’s corporate culture seems to encourage excessive behavior. “Is it the operating environment or something specific about Blackwater?” asked one government official. “My best guess is that it is both.”

Blackwater was founded in 1997 by Erik Prince, a former Navy Seal, and is privately owned. Most of its nearly 1,000 personnel in Iraq are independent contractors, rather than employees of the company, according to a spokeswoman, Anne Tyrrell. Blackwater has a total of about 550 full-time employees, the she said.

Its diplomatic security contract with the State Department is now the company’s largest, Ms. Tyrrell said, while declining to provide the dollar amount. The company also provides diplomatic security for the State Department in Afghanistan, where it also has counternarcotics-related contracts.

In addition to the Sept. 16 shooting in the Nisour area of Baghdad, Iraqi officials said Blackwater employees had been involved in six other episodes under investigation. Those episodes left a total of 10 Iraqis dead and 15 wounded, they said.

Many American officials now share the view that Blackwater’s behavior is increasingly stoking resentment among Iraqis and is proving counterproductive to American efforts to gain support for its military efforts in Iraq.

“They’re repeat offenders, and yet they continue to prosper in Iraq,” said Representative Jan Schakowsky, an Illinois Democrat who has been broadly critical of the role of contractors in Iraq. “It’s really affecting attitudes toward the United States when you have these cowboy guys out there. These guys represent the U.S. to them and there are no rules of the game for them.”

Despite the growing criticism of Blackwater and its tactics, the company still enjoys an unusually close relationship with the Bush administration, and with the State Department and Pentagon in particular. It has received government contracts worth more than $1 billion since 2002, with most coming under the State Department’s Diplomatic Security Bureau, according to the independent budget monitoring group OMB Watch.

Last year, the State Department gave Blackwater the lead role in diplomatic security in Iraq, reducing the roles of DynCorp and Triple Canopy.

The company employs about 850 workers in Iraq under its diplomatic security contract, about three-quarters of them Americans, according to the State Department and the Congressional Research Service. DynCorp has 157 security guards in Iraq; Triple Canopy employs about 250.

Just in recent weeks, Blackwater has also been awarded another large State Department contract to provide helicopter services in Iraq.

The company’s close ties to the Bush administration have raised questions about the political clout of Mr. Prince, Blackwater’s founder and owner. He is the scion of a wealthy Michigan family that is active in Republican politics. He and the family have given more than $325,000 in political donations over the past 10 years, the vast majority to Republican candidates and party committees, according to federal campaign finance reports.

Mr. Prince has helped ce
ment his ties to the government by hiring prominent officials. J. Cofer Black, the former counterterrorism chief at the C.I.A. and State Department, serves as a vice chairman at Blackwater. Mr. Black is also now a senior adviser on counterterrorism and national security issues to the Republican presidential campaign of Mitt Romney.

Joseph E. Schmitz, the former inspector general at the Pentagon, now works as chief operating officer and general counsel for Blackwater’s parent company, the Prince Group. Officials at other firms in the contracting industry said that Mr. Prince sometimes met with government contracting officers, which they say is an unusual step for the chief executive of a corporation.

No Blackwater employees, or any other contractors, have been charged with crimes related to the shootings in Iraq, although there are a number of American laws governing actions overseas and in wartime that could be applied, according to experts in international law. In addition, a new measure enacted last year calls for the Pentagon to bring contractors in Iraq under the jurisdiction of American military law, but the Defense Department has not yet put into effect the rules needed to do so.

Separately, American officials specifically exempted all United States personnel from Iraqi law under an order signed in 2004 by L.Paul Bremer III, then the top official of the American occupation authority. The Sept. 16 shootings have so angered Iraqis, however, that the Iraqi government is proposing a measure that would overturn the American rule and subject Western private security companies to Iraqi law. The proposal requires the approval of the Iraqi Parliament.

In a sign of the Pentagon’s concern over private security contractors, Mr. Gates last Sunday sent a five-person team to Iraq to discuss with Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top American commander in Iraq, the rules governing contractors. “He has some real concerns about oversight of contractors in Iraq and he is looking for ways to sort of make sure we do a better job on that front,” Geoff Morrell, Mr. Gates’s spokesman, told reporters at the Pentagon on Wednesday.

On Tuesday night, Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England sent a three-page memorandum to senior Defense Department officials and top commanders around the world ordering them to ensure that contractors in the field were operating under rules of engagement consistent with the military’s.

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Re: BLACKWATER. WE SHOOT FASTER THAN ANYBODY. RUN BY DANIELSON'S BRO.
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 10:11:51 PM »
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Re: BLACKWATER. WE SHOOT FASTER THAN ANYBODY. RUN BY DANIELSON'S BRO.
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2007, 07:25:10 AM »
i worked for dyno corp in the early 90's i also went and trained with black water when i was in the military. No offence but what is the point of the artical?
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Re: BLACKWATER. WE SHOOT FASTER THAN ANYBODY. RUN BY DANIELSON'S BRO.
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2007, 08:07:16 AM »
i worked for dyno corp in the early 90's i also went and trained with black water when i was in the military. No offence but what is the point of the artical?

basically notes that blackwater has been involved in about twice as many incidents as dynocorp and the other firm doing state dep security.  suggests why it might be . . . and what its connections to the state dept are.

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Re: BLACKWATER. WE SHOOT FASTER THAN ANYBODY. RUN BY DANIELSON'S BRO.
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2007, 01:26:42 PM »
All owned and operated by x-spooks and military helps also if you add up insurance, death benefits, training, housing, equipment, and pension it is cheaper to hire gun slingers then US soldiers they also can cut thru the red tape. i am sorry but inocent people will die in war but remember were we are getting our info.from its another government and also the media. Sorry still mad about the heads getting chopped off and nobody cares but some prisoners are forced to get naked and paraded around there is a witch hunt. by the way that was a form of torture and of course people cant keep from taking pictures.

An inconvenient truth missing in the debate over Blackwater (which is currently in trouble with the Iraqi government over a shooting incident), is that the US military is completely dependent on private military companies (PMCs). This dependency can't be wished away or reversed. If anything, given the trend lines, PMCs will increasingly replace conventional military forces well into the future. The reasons are simple. Private military companies are:
Efficient. If you count the costs of 8 to 9 support personnel (in the DoD's extremely long bureaucratic "tail") needed to field every US soldier in the field and state-side rotations, the high pay for individual private military employees is a bargain (potentially 20% of the cost for a government soldier, not even counting the savings associated with medical care/retirements).
Scalable. There are currently 20,000 PMC trigger pullers in Iraq. These men are guarding facilities and key people across the country. This is likely more trigger pullers (as opposed to support personnel) than the entire US military currently has in the country. Without these men, the US military would barely be able to field a force large enough to patrol Baghdad.
Contingent. Unlike the hordes of bureaucratic Defense contractors that will permanently infest the halls of the DoD, private military companies field mission specific employees. IF there is a withdrawal from Iraq, there will be bust in the PMC industry as firms quickly shed employees 
 
 
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Re: BLACKWATER. WE SHOOT FASTER THAN ANYBODY. RUN BY DANIELSON'S BRO.
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2007, 04:42:52 PM »
I say fuck these guys.  We as soldiers are held accountable for the dumb shit that we do and so should they.  And these fuck sticks make upwards to 200,000 a year to conduct the same type of operations that we do.  Sad when I only pull in less than 40 as an E-5.
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Re: BLACKWATER. WE SHOOT FASTER THAN ANYBODY. RUN BY DANIELSON'S BRO.
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2007, 04:55:20 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2007, 07:33:37 AM »
the money has been cut way back because is like the wild west over there. they aren't the same missions we never had Journalist with us. we worked for and with other military units. we aren't recognized when we die we don't always have the resources for resupply. i never worked in Iraq i was primarily in Asia patrolling against the kharma Rouge in the early 90's. PMC's have been around for ever somethings need to be done by PMC's as so not to bring in the US. Also who do you think has been guarding oil fields since at least the 50's. you can always take an interview with a PMC and possibly work for them. if you work in Africa just know which side you are fighting for warlords change daily and have fuel and battery's ready to roll.
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