pre training nutrition

[candidizzle]

is eating two apples sufficient for a pre-workout meal?
in the mornings i only have time to wait for a simple carb and whey to digest before working.
two scoops whey and two apples; wait a hour, then head to the gym..... does this sound okay?

[WOOO]

is eating two apples sufficient for a pre-workout meal?
in the mornings i only have time to wait for a simple carb and whey to digest before working.
two scoops whey and two apples; wait a hour, then head to the gym..... does this sound okay?

sounds fine

given that you're training in the morning i would also suggest 3-4 glasses of water to make up for dehydration durig sleep

[candidizzle]

awesome. thanks for the advice woo.

[coltrane]

my pre workout (if i do the 7 am lift)

2 scoops whey, and 2 packets of instant oatmeal....


and WOO is dead on.....drink a lot of water right after your meal.....wakes your body up.

[candidizzle]

well like i said..oatmeal is out of the question; because i am training one hour after the meal..so i need all of my carbs in my system and ready for use in one hours time.. 

[powerpack]

Pre work out meal if I lift in the morning is a work out booster and some whey.

[coltrane]

well like i said..oatmeal is out of the question; because i am training one hour after the meal..so i need all of my carbs in my system and ready for use in one hours time.. 

one hour after the meal?  i say oatmeal is perfect.

[candidizzle]

one hour after the meal?  i say oatmeal is perfect.

oatmeal takes at least 45 mins to enter the blood stream, and then slowly sends small amounts of carbs into your body for up to three hours.

i want a carb source that enters within 45 mins, and is completely in my blood stream and ready for use within an hour.

maybe if i was doing a three hour workout of very low intesnity; then i would eat oatmeal pre-workout.

[WOOO]

oatmeal is great, but it is slower to digest... apples are ideal

[Beejis60]

I would first recommend trial and error.  I don't get any carbs other than fiber all day up until preworkout so I'm only slightly on the same plane as you, however, I eat about 50-65g complex carbs preWO and I'm money!  However, if I workout only after one meal, I have the shittiest workouts of all time so I find it VERY counter-intuitive to workout first thing in the morning.  If I were you, I would definitely find a way to workout after meal #2 or later.

[candidizzle]

how i did this mornings pre-workout nutrtion= sliced cantaloupe dipped in "protein pudding" (two scoops of whey protein with a small amount of water added so its pudding-like consistancy).

pretty good.

[MidniteRambo]

I would recommend a "blend" of faster and slower burining carbs (oatmeal with apples and rasins) because the last thing you want is a "surge" and energy fall off during a work out.

[Beener]

Wow you're overanalising this shit. just eat some oatmeal n some protein of some sort and go work out. havin that faggoty ass canteloop and "protein pudding" is stupid and wont make a difference. stop bein a little bitch and eat your oatmeal.

[Deicide]

well like i said..oatmeal is out of the question; because i am training one hour after the meal..so i need all of my carbs in my system and ready for use in one hours time.. 

Apples have a low value on the GI: Apple, raw (USA) 40 
Oatmeal is higher: 55   

Assuming you don't know what the GI is Mir. I can put on muscle whilst having a caloric deficit , the Glycemic Index indicates the speed at which blood glucose levels are affected and consequently how quickly the glycogen post ingestion is available for expenditure. That means the energy from oatmeal is available more quickly than that of apples. It is unfortunate that cranial matter cannot be trained and increased as easily as muscles....

[candidizzle]

whole oats are much more complex than fruit sugars.


apple= higher g.i. than OATmeal.

there is a slight chance that the graph you posted is accurate; but that is only if it is gauging a high sugar, mainstream, mass marketed, "tasty" oatmeal with lots of sugars. the only oatmeal i will eat is high fiber, low sugar, low fat, "weight smart" oatmeal from quaker. ... 29 grams carbs, 8 grams are fiber, 1 gram is sugar. this will ave a MUCH slower rate of digestion than an apple.


and no, im not overanalyzing anything. what im doing is using my brain when it comes to nutrition and meal timing. if i eat the oatmeal i have; it would not be sufficient energy in one hours time, and it would also make me fat.

with my metabolism i cannot eat any complex carbs. they digest too slowly...and i am never active long enough to burn all of them off...my restign metabolic rate for carbs is next to nothing, and anything in my system when im not working out/exercising WILL get stored as fat..   the only way i can stop this from happening and control whats in my blood stream is with simple carbs.

any amount of oatmeal will make me fat.

.....stop worrying about ME. i know MY body. worry about YOURS.

[Deicide]

whole oats are much more complex than fruit sugars.


apple= higher g.i. than OATmeal.

there is a slight chance that the graph you posted is accurate; but that is only if it is gauging a high sugar, mainstream, mass marketed, "tasty" oatmeal with lots of sugars. the only oatmeal i will eat is high fiber, low sugar, low fat, "weight smart" oatmeal from quaker. ... 29 grams carbs, 8 grams are fiber, 1 gram is sugar. this will ave a MUCH slower rate of digestion than an apple.


and no, im not overanalyzing anything. what im doing is using my brain when it comes to nutrition and meal timing. if i eat the oatmeal i have; it would not be sufficient energy in one hours time, and it would also make me fat.

with my metabolism i cannot eat any complex carbs. they digest too slowly...and i am never active long enough to burn all of them off...my restign metabolic rate for carbs is next to nothing, and anything in my system when im not working out/exercising WILL get stored as fat..   the only way i can stop this from happening and control whats in my blood stream is with simple carbs.

any amount of oatmeal will make me fat.

.....stop worrying about ME. i know MY body. worry about YOURS.

One thing makes you fat; a caloric surplus. That is the ONLY thing that makes anyone fat, taking in more than they can utilise. A carb is a carb at the end of the day; if you can store a total of say 400 grams in the liver and muscles and you eat 200 grams of carbs from refined sugar and if you do not have a caloric surplus you won't get fat. Just facts. If you are physiologically different from every other human being as you seem to claim you should see a doctor or report to a geneticist....people process macronutrients differently, yes, but statements such as 'any amount of oatmeal will make me fat' are utterly ridiculous and patently false. In any event I am not so much worried about your body aas I am with the incorrect dispersal of knowledge and the wrongful statement of things claimed to be facts, which CANNOT be such.

[Bobby]

whole oats are much more complex than fruit sugars.


apple= higher g.i. than OATmeal.

there is a slight chance that the graph you posted is accurate; but that is only if it is gauging a high sugar, mainstream, mass marketed, "tasty" oatmeal with lots of sugars. the only oatmeal i will eat is high fiber, low sugar, low fat, "weight smart" oatmeal from quaker. ... 29 grams carbs, 8 grams are fiber, 1 gram is sugar. this will ave a MUCH slower rate of digestion than an apple.


and no, im not overanalyzing anything. what im doing is using my brain when it comes to nutrition and meal timing. if i eat the oatmeal i have; it would not be sufficient energy in one hours time, and it would also make me fat.
with my metabolism i cannot eat any complex carbs. they digest too slowly...and i am never active long enough to burn all of them off...my restign metabolic rate for carbs is next to nothing, and anything in my system when im not working out/exercising WILL get stored as fat..   the only way i can stop this from happening and control whats in my blood stream is with simple carbs.

any amount of oatmeal will make me fat.

.....stop worrying about ME. i know MY body. worry about YOURS.

Carbs is not the enemy... you don't have to run a marathon just because you eat carbs. They won't store as fat that easily unless you are in a very high caloric surplus.

[candidizzle]

how arrogant you must be to tell ME about MY body. i know my body. i know how it reacts to foods.


a carb is a carb. correct. but some carbs slowly enter the blood stream over a period of time, while some rush in all at once.

if i eat oatmeal(complex carb)..then i will have carbs slowly dispersing into my bloodstream while i work out, and AFTER im done working out. once im done woring out, my body will not be burning up fuels at the same rate as when i was workign out. my bodys metabolism is so slow that any circulating carbohydrates in my blood stream when im not exercising WILL be stored as fat. i cannot eat anything execept small amounts of lean protein and veggies throughout the day. with fruits(simple carbs), they enter my blood stream all at once, and are ready for use..and i only eat enough formy workout..so by the end of my workout, i no longer have any carbs circulating in my blood stream.

[Deicide]

how arrogant you must be to tell ME about MY body. i know my body. i know how it reacts to foods.


a carb is a carb. correct. but some carbs slowly enter the blood stream over a period of time, while some rush in all at once.

if i eat oatmeal(complex carb)..then i will have carbs slowly dispersing into my bloodstream while i work out, and AFTER im done working out. once im done woring out, my body will not be burning up fuels at the same rate as when i was workign out. my bodys metabolism is so slow that any circulating carbohydrates in my blood stream when im not exercising WILL be stored as fat. i cannot eat anything execept small amounts of lean protein and veggies throughout the day. with fruits(simple carbs), they enter my blood stream all at once, and are ready for use..and i only eat enough formy workout..so by the end of my workout, i no longer have any carbs circulating in my blood stream.

You don't get it do you? Eat more than you use; get fat. Nothing makes you fat but eating more calories than you utilise. There is nothing arrogant about it; it's a fact and once again you are making claims that defy all known facts about nutrition and human physiology.  NOW that's arrogant, such as claiming you can bulk and burn fat at the same time ; now that young man, is arrogance personified based on nothing more than the garbled neural crossfirings of your brain. Read a book on nutrition. I'm sure they have books where you live.

[candidizzle]

read my post again dipshit!

okay...heres how you can lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

eat EXCACTLY how much protein your body needs in order t repair muscle tissue as quickly as possible. No more than this amount..or it will be stored as fat. eat exactly how much carbohydrates your body will use throughout the day(this varies for every person), no more than what you will use. supplement with just enough fishoils to get the esired effect(increased testosterone, faster recovery), but not enough as to store any as fat.

workout with weights, so as to break muscle tissue down, so as to be able to build it back up. a muscle that is worked out, then repaired, is a larger muscle.

now, doing this alone is called a "lean bulk"..eating just enough to maintain the bodily processes involved in growing muscle.

heres the key to losing fat while on this lean bulk...wake up in the morning and do cardio on an empty stomach for 45 mins-one hour! this will burn directly into your fat stores...and lower your overall oundage of stored fat.

after this morning cardio...follow the "lean bulk" diet. this way...every day you will be making progress in terms of muscle gain, you will not be storing anything as fat(because of your lean bulking diet), and every morning making a dent in the size of your fat stores.



its simple as fuck!

[Deicide]

read my post again dipshit!

okay...heres how you can lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

eat EXCACTLY how much protein your body needs in order t repair muscle tissue as quickly as possible. No more than this amount..or it will be stored as fat. eat exactly how much carbohydrates your body will use throughout the day(this varies for every person), no more than what you will use. supplement with just enough fishoils to get the esired effect(increased testosterone, faster recovery), but not enough as to store any as fat.

workout with weights, so as to break muscle tissue down, so as to be able to build it back up. a muscle that is worked out, then repaired, is a larger muscle.

now, doing this alone is called a "lean bulk"..eating just enough to maintain the bodily processes involved in growing muscle.

heres the key to losing fat while on this lean bulk...wake up in the morning and do cardio on an empty stomach for 45 mins-one hour! this will burn directly into your fat stores...and lower your overall oundage of stored fat.

after this morning cardio...follow the "lean bulk" diet. this way...every day you will be making progress in terms of muscle gain, you will not be storing anything as fat(because of your lean bulking diet), and every morning making a dent in the size of your fat stores.



its simple as fuck!

It's bullshit. This is getting tiring. If you want to live in a fantasy world, by all means.

Calories count, not how how much fat is oxidated whilst doing cardio in the morning.

In order to put on new mass you need to take in more calories than you can utilise. This will inevitably lead to putting on some fat. This cannot be avoided, though it can be minimised. To loose weight, you need to count calories and take in less than you utilise; doing cardio on an empty stomach is great if you have a caloric deficit, if you don't it won't help you to lose weight.  Calories count...if you are using Trenbolone or HGH then I can understand why you believe this works. Boy, you are one thick skulled teenager.
Please do read a book...

[candidizzle]

It's bullshit. This is getting tiring. If you want to live in a fantasy world, by all means.

Calories count, not how how much fat is oxidated whilst doing cardio in the morning.

In order to put on new mass you need to take in more calories than you can utilise. This will inevitably lead to putting on some fat. This cannot be avoided, though it can be minimised. To loose weight, you need to count calories and take in less than you utilise; doing cardio on an empty stomach is great if you have a caloric deficit, if you don't it won't help you to lose weight.  Calories count...if you are using Trenbolone or HGH then I can understand why you believe this works. Boy, you are one thick skulled teenager.
Please do read a book...

you do not need a caloric surplus to repair damaged muscle tissue.
the key to muscle growth is damaging the muscle tissue, and repairing it with protein. if you eat the correct amount of protein, your body will be able to repair the muscle. too easy. eat excess protein= fat gain. there IS NO  benefit of eating more than you need. eat what you need, and you will grow, and will not store fat.

cardio nin the morning will burn directly into fat stores.
if you burn into your fat stores once per day, and the rest of the day maintain your fat stores and repair damaged muscle tissue, then you are, over time, burning fat and building muscle.

geez, you are one thick skulled DOUCHEBAG.

[Deicide]

you do not need a caloric surplus to repair damaged muscle tissue.
the key to muscle growth is damaging the muscle tissue, and repairing it with protein. if you eat the correct amount of protein, your body will be able to repair the muscle. too easy. eat excess protein= fat gain. there IS NO  benefit of eating more than you need. eat what you need, and you will grow, and will not store fat.

cardio nin the morning will burn directly into fat stores.
if you burn into your fat stores once per day, and the rest of the day maintain your fat stores and repair damaged muscle tissue, then you are, over time, burning fat and building muscle.

geez, you are one thick skulled DOUCHEBAG.

It isn't just repair; new tissue must be built and it requires energy, energy which can only come from excess calories....this is a waste of time....it's late here and I am off to bed...the problem with you is that you post and preach your gibberish to people who ask honest questions and you misinform them...sad...anyway, have a pleasant Saturday in Heehawville Arkansas...

[candidizzle]

you do not NEED excess calories for any bodily process to occur.

the term EXCESS clearly explains that to you.

northern california is where i live; douchebag.....not that where i reside matters anyways. i oculd be from mexico city and i would still be right on this.

[Deicide]

you do not NEED excess calories for any bodily process to occur.

the term EXCESS clearly explains that to you.

northern california is where i live; douchebag.....not that where i reside matters anyways. i oculd be from mexico city and i would still be right on this.

Not any bodily process; building new tissue. And that requires a caloric surplus, a minor one, but a surplus nonetheless.