debate- long term use

[homer77]

long term use of gear   vs.   hormone replacement therapy treatment


is it ok to use moderate amounts of steroids for long periods of time?
men with low test levels are perscribed test indefinitly. 

so whats the dif?

[trab]

You mean use a higher than HRT dose non stop?
Pretty common.

[RDW]

As far as HPTA suppression goes doing 750mg of test per week for a year is the same as doing 150mg per week for a year.  As long as your body sees you have more test than it naturally produces then then it will shut down the hypothalamus.  Now other side effects can be greater with increased amounts, but everyone has different sides on different amounts.

[SWOLETRAIN]

very common indeed. But the price will be paid eventually depending on the individual. Oral steroids have to be cycled, this is a must!... But Steroids such as testosterone are already in us. When the body realizes that it is being supplemented w/ test or aas, it will shut down the production. Now they wont kill you, but its up to the user how long they will be on. Longer your on, more severe the consequences will be. Meaning you better pray your body will still be crankin out the amt of test when all is said and done. If not get ready for HRT. Time off is a good thing,.. most people over exaggerate how much muscle youll lose or not be gaining. That is up to genetics.

[homer77]

i have been on for about 3 yrs.  i used high doses for 2 months during this time, but mostly a very stable and mid range level.  ussually around 250-500mg test every 8 days or tren 75mg eod.  its just been so freakin long im afraid everything has shut down.  bbing sucks you in and keeps you on.  now that im out i wanna clean up.  i know i would probably need tons of PCT maybe for months.  i am just debating taking the long road to normality or just maintaining my own test therapy. 

[Luv2Hurt]

i have been on for about 3 yrs.  i used high doses for 2 months during this time, but mostly a very stable and mid range level.  ussually around 250-500mg test every 8 days or tren 75mg eod.  its just been so freakin long im afraid everything has shut down.  bbing sucks you in and keeps you on.  now that im out i wanna clean up.  i know i would probably need tons of PCT maybe for months.  i am just debating taking the long road to normality or just maintaining my own test therapy. 

How old are you?  you can be sure everything is shut down.  But you should bounce back just fine, I would use HCG and nolvadex for pct if you decide to take a break.  Which probally would not be a bad idea.  take 6 months off and get back on if you want.  Low dose test like you described should be OK but again anytime you maintain your body in an unnatural state for extended periods things can happen.

[trab]

i have been on for about 3 yrs.  i used high doses for 2 months during this time, but mostly a very stable and mid range level.  ussually around 250-500mg test every 8 days or tren 75mg eod.  its just been so freakin long im afraid everything has shut down.  bbing sucks you in and keeps you on.  now that im out i wanna clean up.  i know i would probably need tons of PCT maybe for months.  i am just debating taking the long road to normality or just maintaining my own test therapy. 

I just came off about 2yrs of almost solid use like that.
 Up to 1500mg Sus in 10 days followed by a gram of TE & some Drol as a top dose.
 Mostly 500-600mg range TE after taht. PLenty of Deca here and there. I did HCG every 6 months or so.

I tapperd down to 250 mg week, then a shot of Sus every 17th day and stoped cold. Not a big issue.
I didnt feel great for 4 weeks, but fine now. This is not the first time Ive done this BTW.
Ive ALSO pulled high Testo blood levels 8-10 weeks after stoping like this before.

Stop for a legit 4-6 months and see how ya feel. I bet you can train and eat up to close to your weight now.
AND - when you go back on YOU'LL GET BIGGER THAN BEFORE! 

No big deal.

[w_llewellyn]

Just remember guys, even with Testosterone, as you exceed normal therapeutic doses, the higher the amount given the greater the negative impact on cardiovascular risk factors.. At the very least, get your cholesterol/triglycerides/BP etc. checked regularly if you plan on doing this.. Steroid abuse for years most certainly can lead to an early death, and the death will be deemed "heart disease", not steroid use. This is why the true long-term risks of steroid abuse are somewhat hard to quantify.



 

[DIVISION]

Just remember guys, even with Testosterone, as you exceed normal therapeutic doses, the higher the amount given the greater the negative impact on cardiovascular risk factors.. At the very least, get your cholesterol/triglycerides/BP etc. checked regularly if you plan on doing this.. Steroid abuse for years most certainly can lead to an early death, and the death will be deemed "heart disease", not steroid use. This is why the true long-term risks of steroid abuse are somewhat hard to quantify.

William,

Where have you been?


DIV