Author Topic: Rudy has officially lost the nomination (Read 3342 times)

240 is Back · « **on:** October 01, 2007, 04:31:20 PM »

Two obvious reasons:

1) The mainstream media has turned on him. They are suddenly calling him on abusing 9/11. His $9.11 charity drive was just too much. And his explanation that he has his wife call during speeches "beacuse of 911". It's old now. He is looking backwards when everyone else is looking fwd. And the pundits are being very vocal about it.

2) His party base has turned on him. The religious right has now threatened to run a 3rd party candidate (which would effectively strip him of 1/3 of his votes, if anyone remembers 92), if RUdy gets the party nod. His 15 years of marching in gay rights parades and more imporantly, being pro-abortion, is too much. Several of the religious right groups (you know, the group that forms the party base and selects the candidate) - have announced they'll run a third candidate if Rudy runs. It will cost the repubs an election, as we all know.

Bottom line - he has lost the mainstream media due to fearmongering and his abuse of a tragedy. He has officially lost the far right. All that remain would be who? A small group of far right republicans who don't read the bible? Good luck with that.

Rudy lost today.

Eyeball Chambers · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2007, 04:34:31 PM »

Ron Paul is the Christian Candidate.

240 is Back · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2007, 04:40:44 PM »

Quote from: Benfun7 on October 01, 2007, 04:34:31 PM

Ron Paul is the Christian Candidate.

Paul is the only honest man in the race. I love the guy. His name is everywhere not on the television lol...

However, if he own, he'd cripple the US in foreign relations, sadly. He's a strong isolationist. WE'd pull fources out of many nations, end the Fed resere, pull outta the UN, and lots of other giant steps. While it's the right moral thing, we'd be fcked worldwide. Nations would be making moves on us. We'd lose UN veto power. Hell, Rus and CHi could declare "US" a terror state and you'd better believe that measure would pass in the UN, as we are despised by a majority of members. Imagine the USA suddenly facing sanctions. Russia would claim iran (which we'll have bombed by then). Iraq would get cut up. The world would become unstable.

Sadly, ROn Paul is fcking awesome - but we live in a world run by corrupt, selfish men. We need a crook running the place. Even if he fvcks the country out of some money, which both party's will do - he'll fvck the rest of the world even more.

Eyeball Chambers · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2007, 04:42:27 PM »

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Eyeball Chambers · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2007, 04:48:16 PM »

Seriously though 240, you might be right. $:-\$

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2007, 05:17:21 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 01, 2007, 04:40:44 PM

Paul is the only honest man in the race. I love the guy. His name is everywhere not on the television lol...

However, if he own, he'd cripple the US in foreign relations, sadly. He's a strong isolationist. WE'd pull fources out of many nations, end the Fed resere, pull outta the UN, and lots of other giant steps. While it's the right moral thing, we'd be fcked worldwide. Nations would be making moves on us. We'd lose UN veto power. Hell, Rus and CHi could declare "US" a terror state and you'd better believe that measure would pass in the UN, as we are despised by a majority of members. Imagine the USA suddenly facing sanctions. Russia would claim iran (which we'll have bombed by then). Iraq would get cut up. The world would become unstable.

Sadly, ROn Paul is fcking awesome - but we live in a world run by corrupt, selfish men. We need a crook running the place. Even if he fvcks the country out of some money, which both party's will do - he'll fvck the rest of the world even more.

I think they'd JFK him and we'd have another conspiracy to talk about. No way they would let him do those things.

JBGRAY · « **Reply #6 on:** October 01, 2007, 05:27:25 PM »

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, both brilliant men and the only two who are against the grain, are despised and ridiculed by mass media, are victims of poll distortion, and are often denied participation in debates(Ron Paul in Iowa, Kucinich denied a major Health Insurance-hosted debate). As for what would happen if Paul were indeed elected, I don't think, even though it is a stretch, that being called a terrorist state would impact us. Who gives a shit what the rest of the world thinks. The US could easily revert back to a manufactoring and industrial base if it had to. Between the US, Canada, Mexico and other Western Hemisphere allies, the US doesn't even need anything from the East.

240 is Back · « **Reply #7 on:** October 01, 2007, 05:28:37 PM »

they have found they can stop a person just by not paying attention to them.

There are Ron Paul people EVERYWHERE. It's crazy. I see kids wearing SHIRTS. I've never seen anything like it. But, the global realist in me knows that he'll never win, and if he did, the market would crumble as we did things like, um, end the federal reserve, among other things.

I love the guy. He's called for a new investigation of 911. He's said Bush will likely stage a tonken event to start iran war - and we almost did with those british sailors.

But the mainstream media ignores him. They know the 8 candidates pool that the winner will come from. Romney/Huckabee or Hilary/Edwards. It's easy. They all play ball, and serve the media's interest too.

240 is Back · « **Reply #8 on:** October 01, 2007, 05:29:59 PM »

Quote from: JBGRAY on October 01, 2007, 05:27:25 PM

Between the US, Canada, Mexico and other Western Hemisphere allies, the US doesn't even need anything from the East.

We need their money and their oil and their technology and their trading.

Quote from: JBGRAY on October 01, 2007, 05:27:25 PM

The US could easily revert back to a manufactoring and industrial base if it had to.

Not with china paying its folks 25 cents an hour to do the same thing. How can you compete with that?

Hedgehog · « **Reply #9 on:** October 01, 2007, 06:23:12 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 01, 2007, 04:40:44 PM

Paul is the only honest man in the race. I love the guy. His name is everywhere not on the television lol...

However, if he own, he'd cripple the US in foreign relations, sadly. He's a strong isolationist. WE'd pull fources out of many nations, end the Fed resere, pull outta the UN, and lots of other giant steps. While it's the right moral thing, we'd be fcked worldwide. Nations would be making moves on us. We'd lose UN veto power. Hell, Rus and CHi could declare "US" a terror state and you'd better believe that measure would pass in the UN, as we are despised by a majority of members. Imagine the USA suddenly facing sanctions. Russia would claim iran (which we'll have bombed by then). Iraq would get cut up. The world would become unstable.

Sadly, ROn Paul is fcking awesome - but we live in a world run by corrupt, selfish men. We need a crook running the place. Even if he fvcks the country out of some money, which both party's will do - he'll fvck the rest of the world even more.

OK.

Lets break this down piece by piece:

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Hell, Rus and CHi could declare "US" a terror state and you'd better believe that measure would pass in the UN, as we are despised by a majority of members.

Source?

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Hell, Rus and CHi could declare "US" a terror state and you'd better believe that measure would pass in the UN, as we are despised by a majority of members.

Why wouldn't Great Britain, a permanent member, veto against such a measure?

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Imagine the USA suddenly facing sanctions.

Once again, why wouldn't Great Britain, a permanent member, veto against such a measure? And what source do you have that a majority of the countries in the world would support sanctions against USA?

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Russia would claim iran (which we'll have bombed by then)

How will Russia be able to claim Iran?

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Iraq would get cut up.

How do you know that?

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ROn Paul is fcking awesome

What is it with Ron Paul you think is "fcking awesome"?

240 is Back · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:04:45 PM »

GBrit would veto that measure TODAY.

Would they veto that initiative in 2011, after 3 years of Ron Paul rule has left them hurt by pulling all US backed finance, trade, military protection, etc?

You don't know, and I don't. Crazier things have happened. Remember, we told india and UK that we were invading the taleban, 10 weeks before 911. India even printed it in their paper. Nations set up other nations. Shit happens. Just because we have a friendly relationship with them today, doesnt mean they'll back an isolationist USA with nothing to gain and everyhing to lose.

240 is Back · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:09:03 PM »

Iraq would get cut up. Turkey's people are ethically mixed with the kurds, and they are massing troops at border. Iran would move troops in quickly too on the east. Saudi Arabia would step in to help the sunnis against the iran bloodbath that would come in. Everyone would be vying for the oil. Russia and china set up a strategic alliance with Iran this year. Would they assist iran in its move into iraq? I bet they would - china bid on iraqi oil and we denied it, didnt they?

(this is all assuming a power vaccum with US evacuation).

that is why I think iraq would splinter. The central govt couldn't even stop the north 1/3 of the nation from SIGNIGN AWAY their oil rights, and not giving central govt a penny. You think they can stop military aciton, when they can't stop putting in a pipeline? No. Nation would splinter, and all neighbors would move in.

Hedgehog · « **Reply #12 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:37:26 AM »

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Hell, Rus and CHi could declare "US" a terror state and you'd better believe that measure would pass in the UN, as we are despised by a majority of members.

Source?

drkaje · « **Reply #13 on:** October 02, 2007, 04:09:36 AM »

A strict isolationist in office would save us billions a year.

24KT · « **Reply #14 on:** October 02, 2007, 06:14:30 AM »

Ron Paul seems like a very good man willing to tell it like it is.

the part that concerns me about him somewhat... is that whenever I have heard him speak on things,
he doesn't appear to have any clear cut plans, ...it's all speculative, as if he's making it up as he goes along.

That might be a good thing in that it may be indicative of a man willing to weigh all options,
and not one going in with a set agenda, come hell or high water, ...whether the people want it or not.

I think I'd have to hear him some more. But of all Repub candidates so far, I like him the most.

240 is Back · « **Reply #15 on:** October 02, 2007, 07:54:45 AM »

Quote from: drkaje on October 02, 2007, 04:09:36 AM

A strict isolationist in office would save us billions a year.

are you serious? we'd be poor very fast. the cheap chinese good we live on - gone. You think americans are going to make toys and computers and everything else for 25 cents an hour?

Parker · « **Reply #16 on:** October 02, 2007, 08:19:11 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 02, 2007, 07:54:45 AM

are you serious? we'd be poor very fast. the cheap chinese good we live on - gone. You think americans are going to make toys and computers and everything else for 25 cents an hour?

No, but the Mexicans would. setting up a trade agreement with Mexico, where they would supply us with the cheap good that America likes, and also cutting down on the transportation of said goods. But also cutting back the illegal immigration flood, if not turning it back.

240 is Back · « **Reply #17 on:** October 02, 2007, 08:27:03 AM »

Quote from: Parker on October 02, 2007, 08:19:11 AM

No, but the Mexicans would. setting up a trade agreement with Mexico, where they would supply us with the cheap good that America likes, and also cutting down on the transportation of said goods. But also cutting back the illegal immigration flood, if not turning it back.

I'm all for exploting mexican labor. Lots of groups will cry about it tho.

Parker · « **Reply #18 on:** October 02, 2007, 10:44:59 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 02, 2007, 08:27:03 AM

I'm all for exploting mexican labor. Lots of groups will cry about it tho.

Providing unskilled labor for Mexico, means a dearth of jobs for their economy, and growth. Plus goods would be even cheaper, because all one has to do is ship it via trucks across the border, instead of the Pacific Ocean. Less time and less oil spent. Meanwhile the trade vacuum that occurs from dumping China could be filled by developing new trade agreements with Central, South Americas, and the Caribbean, and Africa. Also it gives the US more time to concentrate on bringing back and developing more high tech jobs for the US market.

Decker · « **Reply #19 on:** October 02, 2007, 11:10:42 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 02, 2007, 08:27:03 AM

I'm all for exploting mexican labor. Lots of groups will cry about it tho.

Yeah, exploiting cheap labor and child labor is just great for your wallet now...Walmart and its ilk do it.

The problem with living large on the misery of others is a type of backlash.

Look in this country at how Unions are now on the extinction list. Look at how jobs are being reclassified as salaried positions to avoid overtime or holiday pay. Look at how wages have remained flat for the poor and middle class--even though productivity and hours worked have gone way up (the average US worker puts in as many hours as the average Japanese worker). Look at how decent employer-provided benefits are melting away. Look at how the nuclear family is failing b/c both parents have to work to make ends meet--latch key kids are not cool.

The backlash comes in this form: If the financial elites in the US can exploit foreign workers, why not try that tactic at home?

We live in a country where the middle class is disappearing leaving only the rich and the poor. The wealth inequality of this country is at a level greater than that during the Depression and Gilded Age.

So enjoy your savings on your next purchase b/c it comes with a deferred cost.

Fury · « **Reply #20 on:** October 02, 2007, 11:19:13 AM »

Quote from: Hedgehog on October 01, 2007, 06:23:12 PM

OK.

Lets break this down piece by piece:

Source?
Why wouldn't Great Britain, a permanent member, veto against such a measure?
Once again, why wouldn't Great Britain, a permanent member, veto against such a measure? And what source do you have that a majority of the countries in the world would support sanctions against USA?
How will Russia be able to claim Iran?
How do you know that?
What is it with Ron Paul you think is "fcking awesome"?

Bump. Reading that after Hedge separated all the quotes made me realize that 240 does nothing but talk out of his ass 24/7.

Nordic Superman · « **Reply #21 on:** October 02, 2007, 12:44:08 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 01, 2007, 04:40:44 PM

Paul is the only honest man in the race. I love the guy. His name is everywhere not on the television lol...

However, if he own, he'd cripple the US in foreign relations, sadly. He's a strong isolationist. WE'd pull fources out of many nations, end the Fed resere, pull outta the UN, and lots of other giant steps. While it's the right moral thing, we'd be fcked worldwide. Nations would be making moves on us. We'd lose UN veto power. Hell, Rus and CHi could declare "US" a terror state and you'd better believe that measure would pass in the UN, as we are despised by a majority of members. Imagine the USA suddenly facing sanctions. Russia would claim iran (which we'll have bombed by then). Iraq would get cut up. The world would become unstable.

Sadly, ROn Paul is fcking awesome - but we live in a world run by corrupt, selfish men. We need a crook running the place. Even if he fvcks the country out of some money, which both party's will do - he'll fvck the rest of the world even more.

240, do you recall that thread where you said something along the lines of living on welfare in a trailer park was a shit life etc?

Well, if Ron Paul was radical enough to do all what you have mentioned you'd be back in a trailer park before you knew it.

Pulling economic ties with Britain? Hahaha, and this is the man you think is awesome?

The impression you gave me of Ron Paul in this thread makes me think he would turn the US into some kind of loner hermet type state.

JBGRAY · « **Reply #22 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:04:18 PM »

Well, good news for Paul supporters, he is now considered a top tier candidate! He, alongside with Guiliani, Romney, Thompson, and McCain, were invited to a GOP Presidential Trust Dinner from the main GOP website. Here is the link. https://secure.donationreport.com/donation.html

The guy couldn't be ignored forever and I have a very hard time believing poll numbers as I believe they are either fixed or taken within a small group of like-minded individuals. Like others have stated, Paul's purported 1-2% support base are the most vocal 1-2% ever seen in the political landscape. Hell, I've seen no less than a dozen Ron Paul posters on Broward boulevard not far from BSO headquarters in one of the worst neighborhoods in Broward county.

240 is Back · « **Reply #23 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:37:59 PM »

Quote from: Nordic Superman on October 02, 2007, 12:44:08 PM

Pulling economic ties with Britain? Hahaha, and this is the man you think is awesome?

did you read my post? He's awesome because he's fukcing honest. But I wouldn't cote for him because he'd sever all ties with our allies. What did I miss there?

240 is Back · « **Reply #24 on:** October 02, 2007, 03:39:49 PM »

How do I know that?

geez I would spend a week here debating small vocal points and posting sources, but asshats would attack sources, etc etc. It's a waste of time to debate politics.

Jsut tell me i"m crazy, tell me I'm wrong. In 3 years, we'll be splitting up Iran into oil provinces for US firms, and I can rub it in your face then. I told you two years ago taht we'd be doing this with Iraq, and it's happening. We're about to bomb them as you may know. Not for the oil tho, eh?