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« on: October 01, 2007, 08:53:58 PM »
I'm watching fox news.  they have one of those clips on during hannity's show.

"Showdown in Iran: Inevitable."

followed by "Iran planning to get the bomb, and their bigger plan for mass murder."

then, incredibly.... "Iran may have even had a role in 9/11."  No details of that one followed.



FOX news is a propaganda channel now.  It's official.  If you disagree, then I challenge you to show me how Iran was involve din 911. 

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2007, 11:43:19 PM »

FOX news is a propaganda channel now.  It's official.  If you disagree, then I challenge you to show me how Iran was involve din 911. 
now ??? lol...

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2007, 12:14:59 AM »
we all know it was Saudi Arabia don't we?  ???

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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2007, 04:12:07 AM »
we all know it was Saudi Arabia don't we?  ???

Where would you get a crazy idea like that? :)

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2007, 07:18:53 AM »
A few months ago the Bush administration put out a plan to get thgings ramped up for war. This is all part of it. If either country had any part in 911...I'd bet on Iran before Iraq..not that I think they did.
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2007, 07:52:14 AM »
A few months ago the Bush administration put out a plan to get thgings ramped up for war. This is all part of it. If either country had any part in 911...I'd bet on Iran before Iraq..not that I think they did.

THis is hilarious.

The white house fought an investigation into 9/11 for 441 days.  FInally, when the 911 widows marched daily on congress, bush caved, gave a paltry 13 mil to investigate the biggest crime in nat'l history, and rushed them.  He also refused to testify under oath, severly censored everything pointing at sauid and paki money involvement at the highest levels, and essentially fought it every step of the way. 

Now... now that we need another reason to bomb iran... wouldn't an investigation into 9/11 have been useful? LOL... you CANNOT blame iran dude.  You can "bet" on them all you want.  The evidence pointed at al Q, Saudis, and pakistan.  BUT - nobody wante dto look at that info.  Still, to this day, 1/3 of the nation still doesn't want an investigation, cause, well, they might not like where it leads.

Suddenly they'll blame Iran for it, out of the blue.  It's hilarious.  I'm all for bombing iran and twisting their arms to shut down the wmd progam and get a finger in their oil.  And sure, if you want to obliderate their army, go for it, why not.

But please.. please... show some fucking honesty.  Don't blame iran for 911 suddenly, when you wouldn't even look at OBVIOUS evidence inmplicating other nations in 911 that was ignored.  Just tell us you are bombing them for the fvck of it.  But don't bring 911 into it.

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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2007, 08:09:36 AM »
I hope that wasn't pointed at me.....if u look at the history of Iraq and Iran...Iran was a much bigger sponser of state terror...alot more ties to various groups. So if u sat down in late fall of 02 and said we're going to invade somebody and we want to tie in 911 to do it....who do u want to go with. Somebody who had nothing to do with 911 but might have some wmd's, we think, or a country with a proven track record for sponsering terror groups. Then we can come up with some meetings, maybe a picture or two. Its that or some WMD sites and the fact that one has used wmd's. Plus we can launch from Kuwait. Its easier to invade Iraq. Maybe we should have hit Iran instead. I don't think they had anything to do with 911. They have done enough to deserve a bomb or two.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2007, 08:17:14 AM »
THis is hilarious.

The white house fought an investigation into 9/11 for 441 days.  FInally, when the 911 widows marched daily on congress, bush caved, gave a paltry 13 mil to investigate the biggest crime in nat'l history, and rushed them.  He also refused to testify under oath, severly censored everything pointing at sauid and paki money involvement at the highest levels, and essentially fought it every step of the way. 

Now... now that we need another reason to bomb iran... wouldn't an investigation into 9/11 have been useful? LOL... you CANNOT blame iran dude.  You can "bet" on them all you want.  The evidence pointed at al Q, Saudis, and pakistan.  BUT - nobody wante dto look at that info.  Still, to this day, 1/3 of the nation still doesn't want an investigation, cause, well, they might not like where it leads.

Suddenly they'll blame Iran for it, out of the blue.  It's hilarious.  I'm all for bombing iran and twisting their arms to shut down the wmd progam and get a finger in their oil.  And sure, if you want to obliderate their army, go for it, why not.

But please.. please... show some fucking honesty.  Don't blame iran for 911 suddenly, when you wouldn't even look at OBVIOUS evidence inmplicating other nations in 911 that was ignored.  Just tell us you are bombing them for the fvck of it.  But don't bring 911 into it.

Once in awhile, you delivers.

I don't for a minute think the US government was behind 9/11, or even allowed it to happen.

But it would be a big blow to the "War on Terror" if an investigation showed that there were zero links to Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan.

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2007, 08:25:27 AM »
I don't for a minute think the US government was behind 9/11, or even allowed it to happen.

I don't either.

I think that when the FBI director took a red-eye flight in the middle of the night to texas to meet bush on aug 5 of 2001 with an emergency file that is still classified, it was full of candy.

I think that when Germany and Israel notified us on Aug 6 2001 about an upcoming plane attack on NY, and gave us 5 of the hijackers names and location (as they had been following them in hollywood FL for a year), I think candy was in the ears and they didn't hear.



Seriously, there were 29 unique warnings, several of them quite specific, about the attacks.  Five of the men were under direct surveilance which was oddly cancelled in mid-august.  I dont claim to know what happened.  All I know is that someone knew something.  Lots of people got calls right before 911 telling them not to fly.  People bought the airline stock on puts, and expected it to fall, which it immediately did.  An Isr firm moved out th eweek before.  Many employees of one Isr firm got text messages 2 hours before attack telling them to leave building.

I don't know who did what, nor am I accusing anyone of anything.  But to me, a complete investigation is needed.  You cannot just 'let' a 9/11 happen, can you? 

Anyway, would it undermine the war on terror?  I don't know.  Maybe they'll have another investigation once we take iran and it doesn't matter anymore about undermining it.  Kuscinish is opening a new investigation this fall.  Who knows where it'll lead.  THere were 4 investigations into pearl harbor, and that was simply to find out about the 24 hours of warnings we ignored.  There's a lot more smoking guns on 911.

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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2007, 10:15:40 AM »
I don't either.



wow.   after all that?

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2007, 11:27:50 AM »
I don't either.

I think that when the FBI director took a red-eye flight in the middle of the night to texas to meet bush on aug 5 of 2001 with an emergency file that is still classified, it was full of candy.

I think that when Germany and Israel notified us on Aug 6 2001 about an upcoming plane attack on NY, and gave us 5 of the hijackers names and location (as they had been following them in hollywood FL for a year), I think candy was in the ears and they didn't hear.



Seriously, there were 29 unique warnings, several of them quite specific, about the attacks.  Five of the men were under direct surveilance which was oddly cancelled in mid-august.  I dont claim to know what happened.  All I know is that someone knew something.  Lots of people got calls right before 911 telling them not to fly.  People bought the airline stock on puts, and expected it to fall, which it immediately did.  An Isr firm moved out th eweek before.  Many employees of one Isr firm got text messages 2 hours before attack telling them to leave building.

I don't know who did what, nor am I accusing anyone of anything.  But to me, a complete investigation is needed.  You cannot just 'let' a 9/11 happen, can you? 

Anyway, would it undermine the war on terror?  I don't know.  Maybe they'll have another investigation once we take iran and it doesn't matter anymore about undermining it.  Kuscinish is opening a new investigation this fall.  Who knows where it'll lead.  THere were 4 investigations into pearl harbor, and that was simply to find out about the 24 hours of warnings we ignored.  There's a lot more smoking guns on 911.

A public investigation would probably/could perhaps reveal apparent lazyness, failure in chain-of-communications, et al.

I think conspiracy theorists should consider the possibility that the government, the agencies did a bad job.

Western Intelligence Agencies are notorious for not being able to properly analyze radicals and extremist groups.

Eg, the political radical left in Sweden was for a long while classified by the Swedish Intelligence Agency as potential threats during the cold war. This was when Sweden were scared shitless by Soviet Union, these "potential threats" were considered supporters of Soviet Union.

These were students participating in peace rally's, anti-war gatherings, members of socialist and communist organisations.

Only one problem. There were never any support for Soviet Union among these organisations.

Reason I'm getting so detailed here, is because the Intelligence officers made a huge error by not analyzing these groups properly.


CIA, FBI, DEA, Verfassungsschutz, MI5, MI6, DGSE, DST...

They all make the same mistakes. Interpret what they don't understand incorrectly.

240 or Bust, don't assume that our intelligence agencies are spot on all the time. My guess, is that they're far from it.

This is where I think the 9/11 conspiracy theorists went terribly wrong. Instead of looking for everything, even the possibility of agencies having internal problems, that the competence may be lacking...

they instead went ahead and looked for a more sexy alternative, the government conspiracy.

They so desperately wanted excitement, so they refused to even consider low competence as an alternative.


I guess it is somehow better if the buildings were brought down by an advanced conspiracy, headed by top officials.

Rather than facing that there are problems in the intelligence agencies, and that a few terrorists from a land far away were able to fly it right into the center of NY.

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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 11:36:07 AM »
A public investigation would probably/could perhaps reveal apparent lazyness, failure in chain-of-communications, et al.

I think conspiracy theorists should consider the possibility that the government, the agencies did a bad job.

Western Intelligence Agencies are notorious for not being able to properly analyze radicals and extremist groups.


this is pretty much what i think the reason for stalling an investigation has been.

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2007, 03:42:52 PM »
okay, then in that case, people should support an investigation for another reason:

The same people who slept theu the 911 attacks are still at their jobs.  And most got promotions.  SO, the next time 19 pricks decide to fly a plane into something, we dont have better people manning the ship.  WE have the same fvcking idiots.  And anyone who opposes a 911 investigation, in this case, then supports and condones incompetency.

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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2007, 07:09:22 PM »
okay, then in that case, people should support an investigation for another reason:

The same people who slept theu the 911 attacks are still at their jobs.  And most got promotions.  SO, the next time 19 pricks decide to fly a plane into something, we dont have better people manning the ship.  WE have the same fvcking idiots.  And anyone who opposes a 911 investigation, in this case, then supports and condones incompetency.

I agree with all that.

But what i don't get is that you not thinking the government was behind 9/11

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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2007, 07:19:34 PM »
I agree with all that.

But what i don't get is that you not thinking the government was behind 9/11

I think it was 19 pricks with cutters.

I also think it was a small group of people here who assisted.  Not the govt, as so many people automatically say.  But those in power were not able to stop it for whatever reason.  And not able to investigate it for whatever reason. 

911 was shady, yeah.  anyone who looks at it for an hour will see some unexplained holes and inexplicable lacks of investigation.  And holes in common sense that you have to accept to believe the official story.  And the official story itself, which completely doesn't mention WTC7.  And NIST< which promised full WTC7 report 2 years ago, and we're all still waiting.

I don't understand whatever group made/let it happen. I really don't.  The fact that the white house didn't want to investigate it, you can read that any way you want.  The money trail, eh.

FUck it.  Youve read it, i'm sure.  You choose to ignore it, that's cool.  We'll never know most of what was behind 911.  however if you are one of those folks that truly believe that 19 guys did it all, including making bush stall an investigation, and WTC7 fall, well, you're dumb as dog shit :)

(not you oz - anyone in general)


But, the world needs dumb-as-dogshit people. 

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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2007, 07:30:08 PM »
I think it was 19 pricks with cutters.

I also think it was a small group of people here who assisted.  Not the govt, as so many people automatically say.  But those in power were not able to stop it for whatever reason.  And not able to investigate it for whatever reason. 

911 was shady, yeah.  anyone who looks at it for an hour will see some unexplained holes and inexplicable lacks of investigation.  And holes in common sense that you have to accept to believe the official story.  And the official story itself, which completely doesn't mention WTC7.  And NIST< which promised full WTC7 report 2 years ago, and we're all still waiting.

I don't understand whatever group made/let it happen. I really don't.  The fact that the white house didn't want to investigate it, you can read that any way you want.  The money trail, eh.

FUck it.  Youve read it, i'm sure.  You choose to ignore it, that's cool.  We'll never know most of what was behind 911.  however if you are one of those folks that truly believe that 19 guys did it all, including making bush stall an investigation, and WTC7 fall, well, you're dumb as dog shit :)

(not you oz - anyone in general)


But, the world needs dumb-as-dogshit people. 

What got you away from believing it wasn't a missile into the pentagon, bombs wired into the WTC's,  WTC-7  etc...?

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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2007, 07:37:40 PM »
What got you away from believing it wasn't a missile into the pentagon, bombs wired into the WTC's,  WTC-7  etc...?

well, loose change 3 will supposedly have FBI agents discussing the explosions in WTC7 before either 1 or 2 collapsed.  I don't know what that means.  They supposedly are interviewed talking about shit blowing up, people killed, etc, in WTC7 before either tower fell.  COmpletely unrelated to the 1/2 towers.

We can ignore BBC reporting its collapse early, it's powderization at freefall speed, etc.  But can you ignore an FBI agent telling you bombs were going off?  LOL... I dunno.  If it's true, gonna be a lot of people scratching their heads.

I'll let the reporters on the scene speak on the pentagon.  SEveral reporters walked into the hole.  People walked out of the hole.  No plane.  For days, reporters hounded rummy for evidence.  No plane, they said.  He just smiled and said "plane gone. all camera malfunctioned".   You tell me.

I don't know, it doesn't matter anymore.  The way the towers fell, well, now NIST people themselves are coming fwd with some intersting statements.  I can't follow it anymore, hell i haven't been to prison planet in months.  It's too mindboggling to me.  I'm too emotion of a person to follow it anymore.

All I know is that our leader didn't want to investigate, for whateve reason.  I know rummy lied about all the camreas malfunctioning, the FBI has contradicted him and said they have 85 angles of the impact.  I know WTC7 converted to 100mc powder from standing building in 7 seconds.  If you know how that works, tell the class lol...

I know it makes my head hurt.  I'm gonna go watch the nfl network instead.

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2007, 02:04:16 PM »
okay, then in that case, people should support an investigation for another reason:

The same people who slept theu the 911 attacks are still at their jobs.  And most got promotions.  SO, the next time 19 pricks decide to fly a plane into something, we dont have better people manning the ship.  WE have the same fvcking idiots.  And anyone who opposes a 911 investigation, in this case, then supports and condones incompetency.

Nice.

Finally you're making some sense on this whole 9/11 deal.


An investigation could be very enlightening, people have a right to know why the attacks weren't prevented if there were warnings.

Ask those who received the warnings why they didn't do anything with it. My guess is that the conclusion will be that the organisation isn't effective enough in picking up information, it's not transparent enough.

Probably a lot of things that can be done to improve the organisation culture as a whole as well.

It's the same type of Intelligence Agency culture that "improved" the intelligence in the early 60's about how the Cuban public felt negative about Castro (in reality he had a big support back then), and led to the Pig of Bay fiasco.

The type of culture that awards positive info, and punishes impopular information, information that disrupts the current plans.
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2007, 06:35:14 PM »
Hedge,

If several FBI agents came fwd and said there were explosions in WTC7 long before the towers fell - completely unrelated to the planes hitting the towers - would you still blame incompetence?

Incompetence doesn't make things explode.  Whenever loose change 3 comes out, with detailed interviews with feds who will supposedly say this - what will you think then?

Will you still blame those 19 men only, for bombs planted in WTC7?

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2007, 06:40:25 PM »
Hedge,

If several FBI agents came fwd and said there were explosions in WTC7 long before the towers fell - completely unrelated to the planes hitting the towers - would you still blame incompetence?

Incompetence doesn't make things explode.  Whenever loose change 3 comes out, with detailed interviews with feds who will supposedly say this - what will you think then?

Will you still blame those 19 men only, for bombs planted in WTC7?

I definitely won't think they're lying.

No expert on construction, but I think if a building starts to destabilize, and especially if it's the size of the WTC's, I would think there would be partial crashing within.

Before the final.

JMO though.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2007, 07:16:12 PM »
I definitely won't think they're lying.

No expert on construction, but I think if a building starts to destabilize, and especially if it's the size of the WTC's, I would think there would be partial crashing within.

Before the final.

JMO though.

WTC1 and 2 were hit with planes.

350 feet away was WTC7.  No plane debris hit it, nor the buildings in between them.

In WTC7, there were explosions.  Dead people.  Injuries.  Destroyed elevators.  This happened right around when the second plane hit the WTC1.

There was no plane that hit WTC7.  This is some event independent of the planes hitting.

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2007, 12:53:38 AM »
What got you away from believing it wasn't a missile into the pentagon, bombs wired into the WTC's,  WTC-7  etc...?

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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2007, 01:35:44 AM »
WTC1 and 2 were hit with planes.

350 feet away was WTC7.  No plane debris hit it, nor the buildings in between them.

In WTC7, there were explosions.  Dead people.  Injuries.  Destroyed elevators.  This happened right around when the second plane hit the WTC1.

There was no plane that hit WTC7.  This is some event independent of the planes hitting.
this is the gaping asshole in the whole thing, WTC 7.
the buildings around it burned. charred frames remained. WTC 7 remained virtually uninjured, then suddenly collapsed neatly into its footprint in a matter of seconds in a textbook controlled demo.

im still waiting for the explanation of that.

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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2007, 08:58:51 AM »
He got a late-night visit from these guys.


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