The thing about all this 'technically terrible' stuff is that it means nothing because Dorian never looked as good as in these photos at any other time in his carreer. So your argument is basically that "Dorian is better than Ronnie because Dorian's true best is even better than those awesome all-time-best photos". The speculative nature of this argument is just that, speculation. It's the same as saying "Dorian was better because although he doesn't look as good as Ronnie in pictures or on video he had something magical in person." Now these may both be true, but they are also arguments based on guess work as to how much better he really looked in the flesh than in photos. Now ND I know you realise all this anyway, so I think 'technically terrible' can be laid to rest.
Dorian never looked as good as these photos photos at any other time in his career says who? you ? look at the side by side of Yates from 1993 a few weeks out to 1994 a few weeks out just as impressive
So your argument is basically that "Dorian is better than Ronnie because Dorian's true best is even better than those awesome all-time-best photos".
No thats not my argument not by a long shot , my argument is Dorian would beat Ronnie because he simply meets the judging criteria better than Ronnie does period.
and its not speculation that Dorian would look better than he did in the black & white photos and why? because part of the judging criteria is conditioning & density and while Dorian is amazingly hard and dry at that weight he usually didn't compete at that weight because his conditioning had to be 100% spot on and Dorian was 9 pounds lighter in 1995 with spot on conditioning , so entertaining what you THOUGHT was my argument Dorian has looked better than in those black & white pics I think I proved my case
It's the same as saying "Dorian was better because although he doesn't look as good as Ronnie in pictures or on video he had something magical in person." Now these may both be true, but they are also arguments based on guess work as to how much better he really looked in the flesh than in photos. Now ND I know you realise all this anyway, so I think 'technically terrible' can be laid to rest.
No these are NOT arguments based on guesswork I know you're as casual visitor to the thread so perhaps you missed these quotes , this isn't guess work these are from eyewitnesses who specifically mention the fact Yates simply doesn't look as good in person as he does in print or video
Flex magazine Jan 1992 on Dorian Yates
" Dorian has the type of physique that looks much better and more powerfull in person than photos. I personally saw him onstage , and Yates if definitely light years ahead of the way he looks in photos.
MuscleMag International Feb 1994 on Dorian Yates at the 1993 Mr Olympia
" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .
Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.
" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own. Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.
Peter McGough Flex Magazine May 2002
Let it be said that the camera can lie at physique contests. Some guys look great onstage but not so great on final film (Dorian Yates, for one) and vice versa (Shawn Ray is an example).No guessing needed its comes from a number of credible sources who all felt compelled to mention that and no we can't lay the ' terrible from a technical standpoint ' to rest , how about we take it on the authority of the photographer of the picture , also keep in mind these photos were NEVER intended for publication they were for personal use and they were informal so anyone who contradicts this claim is a fucking idiot with an agenda and bias
