Why debate with non-believers?

[Hustle Man]

But you already said your Sky-daddy already decided long ago which horses can be led and which can't...

Well actually God says he will give those (that old stubborn horse) an unquenchable thirst then and only then will they drink unto life!

[columbusdude82]

I am not ignoring McWay's explanation of the context. I am asking, do you really believe that

bears lurk around waiting to maul people who make fun of curse-casting bald men?!

[Butterbean]

I am not ignoring McWay's explanation of the context. I am asking, do you really believe that

Do I believe that the story occured?  I'd have to say yes.  Do I think the bears "lurked around waiting to maul people?"  Not necessarily.

[columbusdude82]

Do I believe that the story occured?  I'd have to say yes.  Do I think the bears "lurked around waiting to maul people?"  Not necessarily.

Do you believe that the bears mauled these people in fulfillment of the curse? That is, the Sky-god sent the bears to fulfill Elisha's curse?

[Hustle Man]

Do you believe that the bears mauled these people in fulfillment of the curse? That is, the Sky-god sent the bears to fulfill Elisha's curse?

CD82,

Why does this bother you that someone can believe this? We don't have a problem with you not believeing it!

[columbusdude82]

It doesn't bother me that people believe this or that superstition.

What bothers me, on the whole, is people's low standard of reason, how they will believe any claim on no evidence, even unverifiable, or obviously false claims.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, yet I am amazed at how people will believe stories of magic on, not just little evidence, but NO evidence.

[Hustle Man]

Did you ever watch the movie Matrix? Remember when Neo found out the truth?   when he threw up?  When you die you won;t have a body right?  You won;t have a stomach filled with bile.  So when you find out the truth you won't have a body to make you throw up.

Religious

True Christians believe

1. Authority of the Bible (Old and New)
2. The Deity of Christ (Jesus is both fully God and fully Man)
3. Man is sinful (totally depraved) separated from God and in need of salvation
4. Jesus died a substitutionary atoning death for our sins; and rose bodily from the dead
5. Jesus ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the father
6. Jesus will return to Judge both the living and the dead
7. Those that believe will

Those are you words.

Elitist and Arrogant

followed by

and

You and Certain atheists are very much the same.

I have great and educational time debating with brainwashed folks like yourself.



Brainwashed would be someone who believes in something when evidence is stacked against that belief.   

That would be you sir.

No war inside me.   I attack religion because of it's evil, I attack Christianity because of it's arrogance.

I'm not living my life thinking i am a wretched imperfect beast feeling guilty for my GOD GIVEN desires and fallacies.   

I pity you for that.

P.S.  for someone who didn't want to "debate" with non believers you are doing a good job of it.   

Thanks for your pity atleast you can do that!

Live long enough and you will see your wretchedness right now you are in the dark and you can't see yourself for who and what you really are! Do you have no faults? I do have faults and the closer I get to God (light which is truth) I see all my blemishes! You continue on living in denial but I ask you what is your purpose in this futile life of yours? Why are you here, are you a mistake, why do you exists?

[Hustle Man]

It doesn't bother me that people believe this or that superstition.

What bothers me, on the whole, is people's low standard of reason, how they will believe any claim on no evidence, even unverifiable, or obviously false claims.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, yet I am amazed at how people will believe stories of magic on, not just little evidence, but NO evidence.

You have simply chosen to believe in the creature not the creator you are like those in Romans 1: 25, 28-32

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

This is my truth, you can either receive it or reap the ensuing whirlwind! May God have patience with you!

[columbusdude82]

Patience? If God exists, I don't want his patience. If anything, let him give me some EVIDENCE!!!

(Don't you get tired of hearing me say that word over and over and over?)

[OzmO]

Thanks for your pity atleast you can do that!

Live long enough and you will see your wretchedness right now you are in the dark and you can't see yourself for who and what you really are! Do you have no faults? I do have faults and the closer I get to God (light which is truth) I see all my blemishes! You continue on living in denial but I ask you what is your purpose in this futile life of yours? Why are you here, are you a mistake, why do you exists?

 

I see my imperfections, guaranteed, I'm just not under any illusions like the sames one Haggard and many others are under.

as to your questions

We are here to grow.  Not to glorify God.   We are God's creation and he has endowed us with the ability to better ourselves. 

[Hustle Man]

Patience? If God exists, I don't want his patience. If anything, let him give me some EVIDENCE!!!

(Don't you get tired of hearing me say that word over and over and over?)

Don't look now but you are crying out to God you are beseeching him to show himself and thats a good start! He will show up when you least expect it but in his perfectly planned time!

No I don't get tired of you saying that, it shows me that you are interested! There is evidence all around you in many different forms.

Again Romans 1: 19-22

19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.

20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools

[columbusdude82]

Oh brother... if I ever find any evidence, I'll be sure to let you know.

Until then, I will continue to have enough respect for my intellect not to believe propositions for which there is no evidence.

[Hustle Man]

We are here to grow.  Not to glorify God.   We are God's creation and he has endowed us with the ability to better ourselves. 

Clear evidence of the dichotomy within your soul brother!

[OzmO]

Clear evidence of the dichotomy within your soul brother!

please elaborate.....

[MB_722]

I see my imperfections, guaranteed, I'm just not under any illusions like the sames one Haggard and many others are under.

as to your questions

We are here to grow.  Not to glorify God.   We are God's creation and he has endowed us with the ability to better ourselves. 

I agree we are here to grow, make ourselves into perfect beings in an imperfect world. I also don't believe that man is full of sin. Comes down to choices and free will.

I still believe in the Trinity, it may seem screwed up I see the purpose and what intentions it is there for. Other than that it seems Christians are fatalists.

From what I have learned about Judaism, life in this world is to be a pleasure, not about suffering. Suffering is part of life but not the only part, in suffering that is where we grow. The purpose in life is to perfect yourself. In Christianity I find that the cause of suffering is a punishment for things someone may have done wrong. A divine punishment rather the suffering is a result of someones poor choices. Thats a lesson to learn from. Good or bad situations shape our character, what we decide to do and how quick the response is, in how to act.

So my question is then what is the purpose of life in Christianity? I find there is too much of an emphasis on evil. It's BS.

[Hustle Man]

please elaborate.....

The dichotomy is that you believe you were created by God (The God  of the bible (Gen 1:1)) and he has endowed you with the ability to better yourself but you don't think those endowments were bestowed upon you to glorify him. But you hate your creator because he has created you thusly!

BTW Ozmo, This is you in a nutshell!
Example: Romans 9:19-21

19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"

20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'

21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
 

How can something created not glorify it's creator especially when it is equipped to accomplish that which God has purposed it to accomplish?

[Hustle Man]

I agree we are here to grow, make ourselves into perfect beings in an imperfect world. Impossible, this will never happen! I also don't believe that man is full of sin. How did you come to this conclusion? Comes down to choices and free will. Not spiritual choices mankind is incapable (in and of himself) of choosing Jesus! Only the Holy Spirit can enable one to seek Jesus!

Romans 9: 16
16 It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

I still believe in the Trinity, it may seem screwed up I see the purpose and what intentions it is there for. Other than that it seems Christians are fatalists. Example please

From what I have learned about Judaism, life in this world is to be a pleasure, not about suffering. Suffering is part of life but not the only part, in suffering that is where we grow. The purpose in life is to perfect yourself. In Christianity I find that the cause of suffering is a punishment for things someone may have done wrong. A divine punishment rather the suffering is a result of someones poor choices. Thats a lesson to learn from. Good or bad situations shape our character, what we decide to do and how quick the response is, in how to act.

So my question is then what is the purpose of life in Christianity? I find there too much of an emphasis on evil. It's BS.

The purpose of the Christian/believer is simple stated here:

Ecclesiastes 12: 13 & 14

13 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

[OTHstrong]

Why debate with nonbelievers, simply because it can make a difference. You would rather sit there and watch people scoff at the Bible and compromise the faith of the next generation of children. It is my opinion that believers should defend there faith and if they don't know how then they should educate themselves.

I know that people like CD82 aren't to be taking seriously (no offence CD82 but you joke around too much and all you do is criticise and make sarcastic remarks, in other words a joker, in a good way) but the reality is that people still hear him and as result it lead to a small child not being saved because CD82 brought a strong argument against the believer and nobody rebuked his claims so the boy took his side.

My reasoning is clear, the Bible has no mistakes, it has not been proved wrong, and it is the truth. When someones says this is stupid, you don't know nothing, you are delusional. and name calling, i am happy because this means they have no were else to go.

Remember Jesus sat with sinners and said they needed him more, I would rather talk to a nonbeliever then a believer

[Hustle Man]

Why debate with nonbelievers, simply because it can make a difference. You would rather sit there and watch people scoff at the Bible and compromise the faith of the next generation of children. It is my opinion that believers should defend there faith and if they don't know how then they should educate themselves.

I know that people like CD82 aren't to be taking seriously (no offence CD82 but you joke around too much and all you do is criticise and make sarcastic remarks, in other words a joker, in a good way) but the reality is that people still hear him and as result it lead to a small child not being saved because CD82 brought a strong argument against the believer and nobody rebuked his claims so the boy took his side.

My reasoning is clear, the Bible has no mistakes, it has not been proved wrong, and it is the truth. When someones says this is stupid, you don't know nothing, you are delusional. and name calling, i am happy because this means they have no were else to go.

Remember Jesus sat with sinners and said they needed him more, I would rather talk to a nonbeliever then a believer

I concur and you understood the point of this thread. Good post!

[OTHstrong]

I concur and you understood the point of this thread. Good post!

thanks

[columbusdude82]

Surely when it comes to being a joker, no one can ever touch you, our resident Nobel laureate

[OTHstrong]

Surely when it comes to being a joker, no one can ever touch you, our resident Nobel laureate

you just proved my point

[OzmO]

 

How can something created not glorify it's creator especially when it is equipped to accomplish that which God has purposed it to accomplish?

Yes,  you are correct.  Seems however, to contradict the "wretched soul" idea.

19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"

20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'

21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

Sorry i don't look at myself as a lump of clay and if God didn't intend me to ask questions then he wouldn't gave the intellect to ask them.

the versus are however, a great opposite of yourself in a nut shell  :

Obedient follower whose motivation to avoid his God given common sense is rooted in the fear the Christian dogma has installed in you.

A.k.a:  Christian warrior.