AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE? Milos Sarcev

[Stark]

OK let me make it crystal clear to you once again..
i told you that i will consider myself a bodybuilder when i step ON stage and try to get a BB title.
That was what i answered to you when you asked what was my ideal of a BB.

You are free to considerer yourself wtf you want.

Calm down Gloria

[knny187]

The Coach....I told you that I would be more than happy to show you how little you really know about insulin...and WHEN I do...maybe than you could attack me and others who use it....

It is pretty much the same as STEROIDS...

Usage is not the real problem - abusing it and simply NOT KNOWING what you are doing with something that potentially could be dangerous - is the real problem...

I know you want to come to Koloseum on weekend...but I haven't spent SINGLE weekend at home (and I do have a new house for more than 5 weeks now) - so maybe next weekend at Koloseum?

You don't live in Temecula anymore?

We used to be neighbors

 

[triple_pickle]

Then go ahead and post some pictures of yours so that we can all see you non-insulin BB Body.

you haven't been around for long, have you?  now stfu

[The_Leafy_Bug]

and ur calling me the idiot.  go look it up instead of repeatedly asking the question that no one will answer because if you did one ounce of research you would understand why.

Wow.. you are using your head today aren't you hahahah. Do you honestly think they are going to test humans to see if insulin is anabolic. Think about it. What normal person would inject something into them that could possibly kill them.

[Captain Slin]

Wow.. you are using your head today aren't you hahahah. Do you honestly think they are going to test humans to see if insulin is anabolic. Think about it. What normal person would inject something into them that could possibly kill them.

god do you know how to use google? just stop talking about this subject until you read about it for 24hrs then come back and post.

[The Coach]

yes, that pic of 22 years ago is what I call a bodybuilder, far superior to the blobs of mass you find at today's top amateur shows.

Seriously Tim, coming from you that means alot, thank you!

[The Coach]

Take Joe for a spin on your Segway, fatass. 

WTF are you talking about??

[Hedgehog]

I think Milos is right on a lot of things: Such as his critisism of IFBB politics and judging. The interview he did at the Expo was awesome.

I also disagree with him on some issues: He's never been able to explain why the amino acids in his products are better than other, cheaper brands.


Finally, I would like to hear Milos' version on the Tim Montgomery steroid affair. He trained Montgomery, and it would be interesting to know how much Milos was aware of.

[Captain Slin]

I think Milos is right on a lot of things: Such as his critisism of IFBB politics and judging. The interview he did at the Expo was awesome.

I also disagree with him on some issues: He's never been able to explain why the amino acids in his products are better than other, cheaper brands.


Finally, I would like to hear Milos' version on the Tim Montgomery steroid affair. He trained Montgomery, and it would be interesting to know how much Milos was aware of.

Victor Conte probably knows more about his drug regimine than Milos. Milos is just a trainer. Training is pretty much the same off or on drugs.

Ajinomotto supplies for more than 60% of the global market for amino acids for a reason. They are not HIS amino acids, he gets them from Ajinomotto and he decided they were the best quality. For whatever reason they supply most of the global market for amino acids with their products.. they are pharmaceutical grade aminos.

So MIlos is buying those aminos and they are not cheaper for him, they would cost the MOST out of any amino acids he can buy and then that translates to his product price.


If he was using twinlabs aminos and then bumping up the price, it would be snake oiling it, but he is using quality aminos that cost money.

[Disgusted]

Victor Conte probably knows more about his drug regimine than Milos. Milos is just a trainer. Training is pretty much the same off or on drugs.

Ajinomotto supplies for more than 60% of the global market for amino acids for a reason. They are not HIS amino acids, he gets them from Ajinomotto and he decided they were the best quality. For whatever reason they supply most of the global market for amino acids with their products.. they are pharmaceutical grade aminos.

So MIlos is buying those aminos and they are not cheaper for him, they would cost the MOST out of any amino acids he can buy and then that translates to his product price.


If he was using twinlabs aminos and then bumping up the price, it would be snake oiling it, but he is using quality aminos that cost money.

The real question is have you finally come to your senses and gotten off the 100 units of slin per day regime.

[Captain Slin]

The real question is have you finally come to your senses and gotten off the 100 units of slin per day regime.

Its really sad that you have to MAKE STUFF UP all the time bro. If you spent as much time learning as you do pretending and creating stories you would be much better off.

[Disgusted]

Its really sad that you have to MAKE STUFF UP all the time bro. If you spent as much time learning as you do pretending and creating stories you would be much better off.

I tawy. 

[The_Leafy_Bug]

I tawy. 

Disgusted, please explain to me insulin 

[Disgusted]

Disgusted, please explain to me insulin 

People take it to counteract the effects glypolosis on the beta 3 receptors which specifically come into play during stressfull exercise, but only on fast twitch muscle. 

[Van_Bilderass]

Wow.. you are using your head today aren't you hahahah. Do you honestly think they are going to test humans to see if insulin is anabolic. Think about it. What normal person would inject something into them that could possibly kill them.

They have in fact tested this. It is NOT anabolic at physiological concentrations or any concentrations you could achieve by injecting insulin (without dying). At several thousand times the physiological concentration it's anabolic, presumably by activating igf-1 receptors. This is not relevant to us since this can not be achieved.

Insulin is anti-proteolytic ("anti-catabolic").

I don't see any physiological reason why injectable insulin, in the doses most use it at (which are very physiological doses, not supraphysiological), would ruin a physique any more than eating a high carb diet.

If guys are coming in too smooth I think it's simply because they don't want to sacrifice size for cuts, not the insulin per se.

[The_Leafy_Bug]

People take it to counteract the effects glypolosis on the beta 3 receptors which specifically come into play during stressfull exercise, but only on fast twitch muscle. 

Ahhh intresting point... so this is why milos emphasizes the high rep stuff? What is the benefit of taking it as opposed to using your own though?

[Disgusted]

They have in fact tested this. It is NOT anabolic at physiological concentrations or any concentrations you could achieve by injecting insulin (without dying). At several thousand times the physiological concentration it's anabolic, presumably by activating igf-1 receptors. This is not relevant to us since this can not be achieved.

Insulin is anti-proteolytic ("anti-catabolic").

I don't see any physiological reason why injectable insulin, in the doses most use it at (which are very physiological doses, not supraphysiological), would ruin a physique any more than eating a high carb diet.

If guys are coming in too smooth I think it's simply because they don't want to sacrifice size for cuts, not the insulin per se.

I think that there is more going on than it just being anti-catabolic. You can only stop the catabolic process and go no further and I would not assume that if you did you would have unlimited growth, but there seems to be "almost" no limit as to how you can stimulate you muscles anabolically. I am sure, although not well versed that there are many different examples as to how your body can become catabolic. Would there be different drugs to deal with each process?

Years ago there seemed to be a bunch of hoopla going round about steroids not really being anabolic but anti-catabolic. I personally don't think so and I don't really put any merit into this way of thinking as far as growing muscle.

I have seen many people develope huge guts similar to those who take insulin while never taking it, but eating a diet very high in carbs. We obviously don't get the same effect as far as musle growth from just carbs alone as to when we take unsulin with it, but again we do see the same type of visceral fat storage with a diet very high in carbs for long periods of time. As far as using it for a contst as opposed to offseason I think that you are just fighting the fat loos process needlessly since insulin promotes the stoage of fat.

[Disgusted]

Ahhh intresting point... so this is why milos emphasizes the high rep stuff? What is the benefit of taking it as opposed to using your own though?

I was just messing with that post, but you ask a very good question. The benefit in simple terms is that you grow larger muscles. There is no denying that it works and is taking a lot of guys to new levels of size if that is the look that  you want to achieve. As I said before you may be OK in using it in the offseason at a low bodyfat level, but I personally do not like it to carb up on.

[dearth]

hows tamali doing?

I was just messing with that post, but you ask a very good question. The benefit in simple terms is that you grow larger muscles. There is no denying that it works and is taking a lot of guys to new levels of size if that is the look that  you want to achieve. As I said before you may be OK in using it in the offseason at a low bodyfat level, but I personally do not like it to carb up on.

[Disgusted]

hows tamali doing?

Hi sean 

[Hedgehog]

Victor Conte probably knows more about his drug regimine than Milos. Milos is just a trainer. Training is pretty much the same off or on drugs.

Ajinomotto supplies for more than 60% of the global market for amino acids for a reason. They are not HIS amino acids, he gets them from Ajinomotto and he decided they were the best quality. For whatever reason they supply most of the global market for amino acids with their products.. they are pharmaceutical grade aminos.

So MIlos is buying those aminos and they are not cheaper for him, they would cost the MOST out of any amino acids he can buy and then that translates to his product price.


If he was using twinlabs aminos and then bumping up the price, it would be snake oiling it, but he is using quality aminos that cost money.

I know he is using Ajinomotto amino acids. I also know they're pharmaceutical grade.

I would like to know why he thinks those are better than cheaper amino acids.

He once answered me something along: "You don't put cheap gas in an expensive car".

But never a real explanation.

As far as your claim that training is the same whether on or off drugs: Show me one natural lifter who could get good results from following Ronnie Coleman's routine to the letter.

I'm not talking about poundages, but percentages.

[G o a t b o y]

Hi sean 

Does Shawn have another gimmick besides Hank and Sgt d?

[bigdumbbell]

Does Shawn have another gimmick besides Hank and Sgt d?

U tell me

[3Dkiller]

Shawn is the biggest MIlos Lee Priest hater on this Board, Why ? Because he is now the Weider boy.

[Frank.T]

you haven't been around for long, have you?  now stfu

So whats about it and with the retarded humor??Who are you just Rosie O'Donnell  all of a sudden,triple_pickle?