Any experienced with Androgel?

[realkarateblackbelt]

I know a guy around my age that's been making pretty good gains on it.
He gets it prescribed, and I'm thinking about doing the same.

[trab]

One of the young guys awhile back said he had a 1000+ ng/dl TT blood test by "Slathering on 2x the amt it says to."

I dont think he was talkin' sheit, because he had a max load of HGH covered by insh also.

Superman dont pull a 1000 TT. That will do the trick. Throw a little Deca in and all the better.

[Tapeworm]

I've heard that it is more prone to aromatize.  Could be because it passes through subcutaneous fat?

[abc123]

Any clue how much gel is approx equal to 200mg. test per week?

[trab]

Any clue how much gel is approx equal to 200mg. test per week?

Ive read its less prone to aromatixe, its transdermal so it dont need 1st pass liver trip is my understanding
RDW where are you....

Considering the kid pulled a 1000+TT using 2x, its reasonable to assume that the proper dose runs up to
aprox 500TT.  Thats a middle high range normalish blood test.

I consider anything < 400 TT  getting low.  Free test is also important, I like to see midrange normal at least.
Ya can have a 500TT and very low Free Test. Adding exogenous Test fixes that IME.

[realkarateblackbelt]

Is this what they are talking about when they say, "I'm on the clear."

[trab]

Is this what they are talking about when they say, "I'm on the clear."

Naw, taht was one of Patric Arnolds recipies. Hes written about it extensivley in MD mag.
Clear was  undetectable back then.
Testo Gell or creme will not only raise Test level to possibly detectable level, it will mess up the
TE ratio (Testosterone to Epitestosterone ratio, a shadow testosterone) taht is a red flag for
synthetic Testo use.

Tested competitors are playing w/ fire using any Testo. They need some new steroid thats basicly been tweaked a little to make it a unknown.

This is kind of the basics in laymans terms....

[AZbodybuilder]

Any clue how much gel is approx equal to 200mg. test per week?

It depends what strength you get, 1% contains 50mg per packet , however you only absorb about 10% over a 24 hour period. You would have to do several packets a day to get to the same levels you would with a 200 mg weekly injection. Its good for a maintenance program but not really useful for much more IMO.

[Zane]

I have been fighting low test for a long time and the doctor is not sure why, My last test I was at 248 and that was after using one packet a day for 45 days. I only did one cycle of test back in 1995 and for some reason my body did not respond well and I only went up to 500mg week and I think I was at the point of lactating. The bottom line is it sucks to bust your ass in the gym to only get where I am today. Now the doctor has my going to two packets a day.

[realkarateblackbelt]

That sucks man. Do you think prior juicing screwed with your natural production?

[whitewidow]

I use it pre workout all is is is esterless testosterone it comes in 50mg pacltes of just test base but since its trandermal you absorb about 15mg. I also use basc test e 2 shots a week. Im not as hardcore as O once was-LOL. Hobestly I like androgel when using 3 packets daily. decent product. USA Testosterone is always good!

[trab]

I have been fighting low test for a long time and the doctor is not sure why, My last test I was at 248 and that was after using one packet a day for 45 days. I only did one cycle of test back in 1995 and for some reason my body did not respond well and I only went up to 500mg week and I think I was at the point of lactating. The bottom line is it sucks to bust your ass in the gym to only get where I am today. Now the doctor has my going to two packets a day.

Sorry, but this sounds like a classic example of a idiot Dr.
  Laymen are not expected to be experts, but I guarantee you, your body is made of the same stuff as everyone else.

Did you ever get a TT & FT blood level taken prior to use AAS or after the 500mg cycle? Did you use HG steroid on the 500 cycle?

Our boddies can down regulate that pathetic gel to the 248 your holding. Essentially Nat levels drop very low, then your left w/ the very low range normal the gell provides. Expect it to double to maybee 500 @ most (for awhile  )
If you double the gel.

IMO & IME, THe REAL solution for decent HRT (if you need it, or judge its of benefit) is a minimum of 200mg of TE every 5-7 days. (I'd prefer 225-250 every 5th)
Or,  for those who can get REAL HG SUstanon, 2-3cc every 17th day. 200mg of Deca added for 4-6 week spurts a couple times a year wont hurt. Thats my Favorite, because of less shots.

Lactating? Nolvadex, A'dex, Letro, For Gods sake Nolva is well known for decades, and many many guys require some kind of estrogen control. Sorry , but relying on Drs (even most of the "HRT Drs") is  going to be somewhere between not very satisfying, and a complete disaster.
you'll need do some work your self.

If you been on nonstop a long time - you have NO IDEA what your REAL testo levels are without a off time of about
4 months min.