242 POUNDS SHREDDED BABYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rami]

Me and my brother in law when I was playing on tour....

HERE, I AM MINGLING WITH THE LADIES...

[thewickedtruth]

that's what he claims he is in this pic, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOMMMMMMMMMM

[Man of Steel]

no question about it drugs play a big role.
subtract the drugs, and you still get the brutal trainings, diets, cardio, cooking a shitload of food...tanning and posing practice...all the other stuff required to get on stage for a show. i just dont like when people discredit someone's achievements on a BB stage saying it's ALL DRUGS...drugs don't get you up in the morning for cardio on empty stomach, they don't cook your food and they don't make your workouts any shorter or easier. nor do they get you bone-ripped and dry.
*also note, someone who does it naturally is taking the longer road, and deserves more credit for doing so, and idiots who juice to look big in the gym and in the night clubs (usually dont even train legs on top of all that) are idiots.

i'm sure many see it this way also.

See and I'm forced to disagree.   What motivates the majority of competitors to get up early to train and cardio, cook/eat their meals, drink their water, etc....everything that's involved?   For most its the quick and consistent results they experience via drugs.....sure would motivate me.   No, those drugs play an integral part - both physically and mentally - in achieving the "ultimate physique".   They cause dramatic increases in size and strength very quickly, gettin others to shower you with compliments and consistently stimulating your ego so you want to get up each morning on an empty stomach and hit a stairclimber, etc....so those showers of compliments and mental reinforecements continue.  Take away those quick achievements via drugs and all thats left is a normal person bustin their butt hoping that a year of training will produce some achievements that will motivate them to push further.


If a person isn't making gains naturally and chooses not to use drugs to stimulate some kind of gains they're just gonna quit their gym and move on to something else (or nothing at all)....plain and simple.   Yes, drugs stimulate you both physically and mentally....100%!   This is the part of the debate that's typically not covered.

[Mons Venus]

hahahaha, nice try but that's not me.

How those chips taste Fatfather ?

[Mons Venus]

This pig's daddy must be proud.

[The Squadfather]

This pig's daddy must be proud.

hahahahhaa, she looks scared.

[benjamin pearson]

that's what he claims he is in this pic, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOMMMMMMMMMM

HAHA what a flaming homo..... he looks like a pile of dogshit...... this "guy" must be on at least 100mg a day of d-bol to pull of this massive look

[Frank.T]

you look exactly like vince goodrum...why are u giving us kg ?...are u from outside us ?...and why does your pic says " eu "

Pay attention and on this thread you will find out that i am not American, I don't live in the US and my pics says EU cause that means ME in Portuguese language. and i don't look like nobody but me.
but you...are already told you look like that Grumpy Dwarfs
hey sevastase Snow White is calling and shes asking where's the rest of the seven dwarfs.

[Frank.T]

Ah.  Mind if I ask what possessed you to get your nipple pierced?  I thought only chicks were doing that these days?

Maybe from were you come from and despite it doesn't concern you....its was my wife that begged me to do it.

[Frank.T]

Here's how I read that.
Going to the Nationals = I take many drugs
It's funny, when someone tells me "they compete".  I just think oh, you take lots of drugs...I'm happy for you.  Really means nothing more to me.
You don't look bad or anything though, just how I perceive that line always.
Good luck.

Give that girl some titties, and she's a 9.5.  I could probably create a few new sound effects with the insipiration I'd get from shaking that ass up....bruummmmmmuski!

I can accept that but..wont you gonna ask me what i am eating how i am eating how i am training do i have many hours sleep and those kind of stuff
or you think its all about the drugs coz dam right i will be taking a lot of stuff but..its a lot of different stuff not a lot like high doses of everything
coz drugs aren't doing all the work buddy.

So no i ain't taking a sh*t load of drugs.actually i even think that i am just more or less ok but working hard to get there.

I appreciate the critics anyway.

Take care.

[Frank.T]

that's not all there is to it [Drugs that is]
unless you've competed i don't think its fair for you to jump to that conclusion.
simply putting a needle in you ass is not going to get you to the stage.

Exactly...

[no one]

maybe he meant 142?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hey he's just like Dorian Yates at the 1992 Mr Olympia 242 pounds shredded !

[Frank.T]

I've got nothin against drug users.....they can do whatever they wanna....no skin off my ass.    I used to train alongside a guy that was easily half my size and had a quarter of my strength.   He trained his ass of naturally for about 8 months and put on some good size naturally.   I moved, didn't see him for about 2 years and when I bumped into him he was almost my size and had surpassed me in a few lifts.   He had won his weightclass in the Mr. Texas and was 100% about bb.   His face and a majority of his body was covered in acne and he looked absolutely nothing like his former self.   Found out shortly after I moved he became all about bb drugs and voila....a monster in 2 years.   At that point I'd been training very hard for 8 years (never touched a drug)....he caught up in under 3 years.


Don't anyone tell me bb drugs have just a fraction to do with the physiques attained...it's utter bullshit.  Had he remained natural he'd still be several years behind me in size and strength.  I several stories like this.....and I've still never used a bb drug.   

ok buddy lets put it like this...run deca and sustanon for a couple of weeks don't train and don't eat.....
Then you let me know what append.

I will tell you even more me and a friend of my did a cycle 2 years ago at the same time and the very same cycle..
I got 20kg he got 2kg so....whats up with that???

this was at the middle of the cycle.

[Frank.T]

no question about it drugs play a big role.
subtract the drugs, and you still get the brutal trainings, diets, cardio, cooking a shitload of food...tanning and posing practice...all the other stuff required to get on stage for a show. i just dont like when people discredit someone's achievements on a BB stage saying it's ALL DRUGS...drugs don't get you up in the morning for cardio on empty stomach, they don't cook your food and they don't make your workouts any shorter or easier. nor do they get you bone-ripped and dry.
*also note, someone who does it naturally is taking the longer road, and deserves more credit for doing so, and idiots who juice to look big in the gym and in the night clubs (usually dont even train legs on top of all that) are idiots.

i'm sure many see it this way also.

Amen to that ma brother...

[Frank.T]

See and I'm forced to disagree.   What motivates the majority of competitors to get up early to train and cardio, cook/eat their meals, drink their water, etc....everything that's involved?   For most its the quick and consistent results they experience via drugs.....sure would motivate me.   No, those drugs play an integral part - both physically and mentally - in achieving the "ultimate physique".   They cause dramatic increases in size and strength very quickly, gettin others to shower you with compliments and consistently stimulating your ego so you want to get up each morning on an empty stomach and hit a stairclimber, etc....so those showers of compliments and mental reinforecements continue.  Take away those quick achievements via drugs and all thats left is a normal person bustin their butt hoping that a year of training will produce some achievements that will motivate them to push further.


If a person isn't making gains naturally and chooses not to use drugs to stimulate some kind of gains they're just gonna quit their gym and move on to something else (or nothing at all)....plain and simple.   Yes, drugs stimulate you both physically and mentally....100%!   This is the part of the debate that's typically not covered.

Great post there´s nothing more i can had to that coz its all there...

[SteelePegasus]

ok buddy lets put it like this...run deca and sustanon for a couple of weeks don't train and don't eat.....
Then you let me know what append.

I will tell you even more me and a friend of my did a cycle 2 years ago at the same time and the very same cycle..
I got 20kg he got 2kg so....whats up with that???

this was at the middle of the cycle.

there have been studies that show people running cycles and laying on their couch actually gaining more muscle mass than nattys training.

so don't tell us that drugs are a small part of the equation

hell, some pros don't even bother training when "off"

[HERACLES]

Frank T, you have lots of work to do to make some noise at Nationals..Lots...lookin g good, but youll be lucky if you place in the top 10. How did you qualify for nationals? Did you win some rinkydinky local pro qualifier ? lol..

BTW, MARS....you are the MAN... wowzas...

[Man of Steel]

there have been studies that show people running cycles and laying on their couch actually gaining more muscle mass than nattys training.

so don't tell us that drugs are a small part of the equation

hell, some pros don't even bother training when "off"

What's the point in a pro bb training while off drugs?   In essence, "the magic" is gone.   I'm just tired of the "have you ever done what's needed to get onstage?  have you ever dieted and trained your ass into the ground?"  My answer:  sure as hell have....I've had more 2AM workouts after a day of school and full-time work than I care to remember.   I did every bit of it naturally, but I did I achieve a nationally ranked bb physique?   Hell no!!   Not a single competitive bb currently reliant on juice would ever quite unless they're intending to hang up their posing trunks.   Although, if they wanna be competitive on today's bb stage drugs are a necessary evil.   I could careless if they all die at 45....I enjoy seeing how freakish the chemicals, the weights, the diets, etc...can make them, but I don't wanna hear any of this "do you know what it takes bullshit".   Do you know what it takes to train without it?   Yeah, of course they do....it's a 100 times harder with a 1,000,000 times less the results.  Hence they're now full of gear LOL!


Steriods is only a small part of the equation my motherfvckin ass.  It's the core of any bb's mental sanity needed to "keep pushing" and an absolute necessity for to develop the ideal physique.

[Frank.T]

Frank T, you have lots of work to do to make some noise at Nationals..Lots...lookin g good, but youll be lucky if you place in the top 10. How did you qualify for nationals? Did you win some rinkydinky local pro qualifier ? lol..

BTW, MARS....you are the MAN... wowzas...

You know that i am Portuguese right???i will me competing in the Portuguese nationals which is a competition you don't need to qualify.
Anyway i have a Lot of work to do i know that but 100% sure i will go there and place first you can count on that.

[Frank.T]

there have been studies that show people running cycles and laying on their couch actually gaining more muscle mass than nattys training.

so don't tell us that drugs are a small part of the equation

hell, some pros don't even bother training when "off"

Thats bullshit show me were those tests are or better...go call all the BB and tell them they are making a mistake by going to the Gym everyday.....

[rudylrichards]

there have been studies that show people running cycles and laying on their couch actually gaining more muscle mass than nattys training.

so don't tell us that drugs are a small part of the equation

hell, some pros don't even bother training when "off"

    Source???.. You could fix a study to prove anything you want.   I  know people who are on stuff, train like crazy and don't have much result to show for it.  However, I've never seen or hear of the opposite like you claim.

[LatsMcGee]

Me and my brother in law when I was playing on tour....

On tour?  I knew you were one of the guys from Right Said Fred.  It's a real shame you only had that one hit.

[Mars]

thanks Heracles, its the people like you i do it for.

and Frank, you look awesome bro.

[Frank.T]

    Source???.. You could fix a study to prove anything you want.   I  know people who are on stuff, train like crazy and don't have much result to show for it.  However, I've never seen or hear of the opposite like you claim.

This is the way i see it its has been already cleared that nobody will run a steroids test on humans coz its something that shouldn't be done
therefore this guy claims that they tested "you get more benefits by taking steroids and not train a lot"

am i getting this right???