Author Topic: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"  (Read 4080 times)

Bluto

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 33175
  • Well?
Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« on: October 13, 2007, 01:30:23 PM »
UFC president Dana White tagged Couture’s decision a “retirement,” citing the 44-year-old’s departure from the sport in 2006 before returning in March 2007 to reclaim the heavyweight title from lumbering 6-foot-8, 265-pound Tim Sylvia. “It’s not a retirement,” said Couture Friday, who also works as on-air analyst and ambassador for The Fight Network. “It’s a resignation from the UFC organization.”

Z

Bluto

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 33175
  • Well?
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2007, 01:31:20 PM »
sounds to me couture have a few more fights in him!  8)
Z

Bluto

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 33175
  • Well?
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2007, 01:36:14 PM »
    

RESIGNATION

By Jack Encarnacao

It is quite a twist that the UFC has fought tooth-and-nail the last seven years to attract mainstream media attention, yet one of the biggest frenzies to date is centered on losing one of its top stars.

In an unexpected move, Randy Couture resigned from all professional association with the promotion yesterday, which included two contracted fights, an on-camera analyst’s position, and his heavyweight crown.

UFC president Dana White tagged Couture’s decision a “retirement,” citing the 44-year-old’s departure from the sport in 2006 before returning in March 2007 to reclaim the heavyweight title from lumbering 6-foot-8, 265-pound Tim Sylvia.

“It’s not a retirement,” said Couture Friday, who also works as on-air analyst and ambassador for The Fight Network. “It’s a resignation from the UFC organization.”

Couture would not elaborate on his future plans, though he's currently on the movie set for “The Scorpion King – Rise of the Akkadian” in South Africa, of which he has a lead role. Tucked away from the Internet uproar, the soft-spoken fighter seemed unaware of the commotion his defection has caused. “You know I’m not much for talking,” he said. “I let my actions speak louder.”

The news of Couture’s move has created a flurry of analysis and questions in the MMA community, and has made a splash in the larger sports media. ESPN, Sports Illustrated, MSN, the Associated Press and Yahoo! all treated the move as a top story on their websites Thursday alongside major league baseball playoff stories coverage and the latest Britney Spears tidbits.

White, for one, has tried to downplay his promotion’s greatest exit to date.
“This is just another day in my life,” White told Yahoo! Sports Kevin Iole. “Believe me, as much as I would like to be promoting another Couture fight, it's not the news that is going to kill the UFC.”

The quintessential favorite and a figure credited with professionalizing mixed martial arts to the highest degree, Couture (16-8) is beloved in all circles, something that even the sometimes abrasive White understands.

“I’m sure Randy Couture and I are gonna be friends for a long time,” White said in an interview with UFC’s Thomas Gerbasi published on UFC.com. “Randy Couture is a guy who I’ve said publicly a million times and I’ll say publicly right now who I feel is one of the guys who helped us get here.”

White’s praise hasn’t extended to Couture’s confidantes though, which includes Couture’s agent Matt Walker, of the Los Angeles-based Gersh Agency.

“He hooked up with some Hollywood agent that I bitch slapped about a month ago, and these Hollywood agents are parasites, so unfortunately this guy is probably in Randy’s ear right now,” White said. “Apparently Randy’s upset about something, and the timing of this thing is a typical Hollywood agent move while Randy’s out of town.”

Couture says White’s reaction is typical of the problematic attitude the athlete shunned yesterday.

"He doesn't respect anybody unless he controls them," said Couture. "Disrespecting my agent Matt is insulting to me because it says I'm not intelligent enough to make a decision on my own or surround myself with quality people. It's all about respect, something they've never given me or anyone representing me."

Couture has had superlatives heaped on him since May 1997, when he first stepped into the Octagon an unknown wrestler four times shy in his bid to reach the Olympics. Defying the odds became his specialty. In 2003, at the age of 40, he dropped to light heavyweight and toppled Chuck Liddell in what was at the time one of the bigger upsets in the company’s history.

His fight against Sylvia in March drew the largest paying live crowd yet to see mixed martial arts in the United States, and the prospect of the 44-year-old battling mother nature and the odds in title defenses to come almost guaranteed lucrative pay-per-view cards.

For such a commodity any fight promotion would clamor to acquire, White told Yahoo’s Iole he never said no to anything Couture wanted to do. Couture doesn’t agree.

“If he had given me everything I wanted, we wouldn’t be where we are today, now would we?”
Z

Geo

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3782
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2007, 06:28:34 PM »
for White to assume Couture's departure from the UFC is a retirement kind of implies Dana thinks he's the only game in town....

sounds like Randy's dead set on a show down with Fedor

Bluto

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 33175
  • Well?
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2007, 04:30:15 AM »
randy sounds pissed, he definitely sounds like he's willing to fight again, soon, for another organization
Z

MindSpin

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 9985
  • MMA > Boxing
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2007, 04:54:52 AM »
I didn't think it was a retirement until Dana spun it that way.  Looks to me like Couture is making a very smart move.  He is in a position to fight Fedor through another organization and rake in some serious cash or renogotiate with UFC for more than what he had.  He is still under UFC contract though....hmmm.
w

thewickedtruth

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4077
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2007, 09:20:07 AM »
haha sounds like randy is out on a hunt for the top man if you ask me!  ;D

blinky

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 12930
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2007, 11:52:38 AM »
thats what i said in the other thread. when i saw that he worded it as "resiging" from the UFC....i thought it might mean that he has something else planned
4

Bluto

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 33175
  • Well?
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2007, 11:57:50 AM »
randy only got a couple of more fights in him, with the competive spirit he got he wanna fight the best
Z

Geo

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3782
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2007, 05:40:23 PM »
randy only got a couple of more fights in him, with the competive spirit he got he wanna fight the best

I refuse to assume someone like couture only has a couple more fights in him

Capt._America

  • Getbig II
  • **
  • Posts: 264
  • Would rather be feared than respected
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2007, 05:46:36 PM »
Is it me or is Dana showing his true a$$hole colors, this is  a president of a corporation and spokesman for a sport and he brags about bitch slapping somebody, Dana would get his ass handed to him by 95% of the people on the street, as we see, he totally disrespected Randy and now is trying to spin it so he can look like a tough guy, hopefully this can and will lead to better pay days for the fighters and not only zuffa making the money

Geo

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 3782
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2007, 06:08:22 PM »
Is it me or is Dana showing his true a$$hole colors, this is  a president of a corporation and spokesman for a sport and he brags about bitch slapping somebody,

yeah that was pretty bush league of him to say,when I read it it sounded like something someone would say after they got the carpet yanked out from under their feet....

in his mind (I'm guessing) he got burned earlier in the month by fedor, by saying he was gonna sign him and randy picked the perfect time to throw salt in the wound by bowing out.....

he's pissed because all of a sudden the future looks just a lil bit cloudier

nuyork143

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 738
  • Ill get inside your face...
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2007, 06:10:49 PM »
Dana is a greedy fuckin bastard.  Pays his fighters shit compared to boxing, then tells everyone how much better MMA is than boxing (which I agree).  He is an asshole and I wish him and Tito would have fought so Tito could have put him in the hospital.
Listen here SMALL BALLS!!

MidniteRambo

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1684
  • 1687 confirmed kills and counting
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2007, 01:43:15 PM »
How can you "resign" from a contract (assuming there is no contractual option which he exercized, something I have not read anywhere)?  We lawyers call that a "breach" which gives rise to something called "damages" awarded in a place called "court."

nuyork143

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 738
  • Ill get inside your face...
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2007, 03:25:54 PM »
How can you "resign" from a contract (assuming there is no contractual option which he exercized, something I have not read anywhere)?  We lawyers call that a "breach" which gives rise to something called "damages" awarded in a place called "court."

Youre retarded!
Listen here SMALL BALLS!!

nuyork143

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 738
  • Ill get inside your face...
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2007, 10:42:15 AM »
And yet, I can spell.

So explain to me exactly what was spelled wrong.  If anything, there was a gramatical error in that I left out the ' between the U and the R.  And YOU'RE Still Retarded!!
Listen here SMALL BALLS!!

Bluto

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 33175
  • Well?
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2007, 11:38:43 AM »
if possible i rather have you guys pm eachother. lets keep this thread about randy  :)
Z

MidniteRambo

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1684
  • 1687 confirmed kills and counting
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2007, 01:04:49 PM »
if possible i rather have you guys pm eachother. lets keep this thread about randy  :)

Okay by me (post since deleted), I wasn't the one that started name calling.  It was some newbie who wasn't able to address the point.

So returning to the point, how can he resign from a contract?  If under contract with the UFC, how can Randy fight elsewhere?

Bluto

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 33175
  • Well?
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2007, 01:08:31 PM »
i know,

as for the contract, i dont know i guess he needs to be released from it. i dont know what it says
Z

MidniteRambo

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1684
  • 1687 confirmed kills and counting
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2007, 01:10:25 PM »
i dont know unless he'll be released from it

If I read Dana White's comments correctly, it sounds like he would release Randy assuming Randy is in fact retiring.  If Randy wants to fight, I think Dana's saying "I have you under contract." 

nuyork143

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 738
  • Ill get inside your face...
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2007, 02:42:13 PM »
Okay by me (post since deleted), I wasn't the one that started name calling.  It was some newbie who wasn't able to address the point.

And still you run your mouth...and my point was that you are retarded for the ridiculous legal statement you made.
Listen here SMALL BALLS!!

MidniteRambo

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 1684
  • 1687 confirmed kills and counting
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2007, 03:01:03 PM »
And still you run your mouth...and my point was that you are retarded for the ridiculous legal statement you made.

Let's start over.  I'm interested in your position.  Talk about the merits from a legal perspective.  I'm a 14 year litigator who deals with contracts, but there are certainly aspects of contract law that I'm not familiar with, particularly sports contracts. 


The issue is:   Assuming Randy Couture is currently under contract with the UFC, can he fight for a competing organization without facing injunctive relief (i.e., court order prohibiting him from competing) and/or civil liability.


nuyork143

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 738
  • Ill get inside your face...
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2007, 03:38:08 PM »
Let's start over.  I'm interested in your position.  Talk about the merits from a legal perspective.  I'm a 14 year litigator who deals with contracts, but there are certainly aspects of contract law that I'm not familiar with, particularly sports contracts. 


The issue is:   Assuming Randy Couture is currently under contract with the UFC, can he fight for a competing organization without facing injunctive relief (i.e., court order prohibiting him from competing) and/or civil liability.



NO.  He cannot.  Randy's got him by the balls.  However the only thing that I would have a question about would be if he fought in another country.  Not too sure about that.  Or if he fought in an "exhibition" fight.  Im sure he will find a way around it one way or another.
Listen here SMALL BALLS!!

Bluto

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 33175
  • Well?
Re: Randy Couture: "It's Not A Retirement"
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2007, 02:15:03 PM »
"“He definitely belongs to me…. There’s no way I was going to let anybody come in from another organization and make more money or have better deals than my guys who have been with me for a long time and helped me build this business." - dana white
Z