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[slaveboy1980]

McDonald's anyone?....
6% -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 11:02 a.m.
In my best Daffy Duck voice. Your dispicable....nm
Siphon (Eating my egg whites)77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 11:09 a.m.
It funny how overtraining usually leads to the most memoralbe and intense workouts. I remember
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 10:58 a.m.
*Sniff* *Sniff* Hmmmmmm I know Adam and Odogg are doing chest tonight. I'm doing chest tonight.
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 10:34 a.m.
Diva, Shep, Bats, Jimi, Deca and other compers. Can you guys tell us
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:49 a.m.
Yeah -
Diva -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:53 a.m.
Re: Diva, Shep, Bats, Jimi, Deca and other compers. Can you guys tell us
Shep -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 10:40 a.m.
My first show ...
jimi -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 11:10 a.m.
Lil Dorian you got mail....nm
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:42 a.m.
I regards to Deads being the king of back movements. Sorry I disagree. I think
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:21 a.m.
I'd have to agree....
6% -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:25 a.m.
I agree to an extent...
Aaron -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:25 a.m.
Then compromise...
ben -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:30 a.m.
I hate aspartame...
6% -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:12 a.m.
I have a serious sweet tooth to fight off everyday so I love it. If anything I hate (sp) sacerine.
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:17 a.m.
Hey 6...
Diva -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:33 a.m.
It can convert in the body or at high temperatures (about 100 F I think)......
Adam -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:44 a.m.
Adam - so I don't have
Diva -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:49 a.m.
Everything is toxic to humans...it's just a matter of concentration
Adam -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 10:01 a.m.
That's the other reason....
6% -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:55 a.m.
OK...you can only do one exercise per bodypart...what would they be?
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 8:58 a.m.
Re: OK...you can only do one exercise per bodypart...what would they be?
6% -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:05 a.m.
Re: OK...you can only do one exercise per bodypart...what would they be?
baldman -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:09 a.m.
What's up with the chins???
ben -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:12 a.m.
Don't get me wrong...Love DEADLIFTS...
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:16 a.m.
I think I've heard of those....
6% -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:17 a.m.
Man this is always a tough question but I always love trying
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:10 a.m.
This isn't too tough...
Aaron -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:22 a.m.
Pete!
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:59 a.m.
On the way...nm
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:11 a.m.
David J, Siphon and Biggernyu...
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:58 a.m.
Re: David J, Siphon and Biggernyu...
BIGGRNYU -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 8:31 a.m.
Not any of the above, but I still have an opinion...
baldman -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 8:33 a.m.
You have a point but....
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 8:57 a.m.
The thing is...
baldman -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:08 a.m.
Maybe I'm an eternal optimist but.....
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:15 a.m.
I think that it is great for the world of bbing true
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:04 a.m.
Where's that Pete guy at?
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:48 a.m.
Sup Joe! Bf is stuck at 9.5 but I added a second cardio session and am really
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 8:47 a.m.
Some Disturbing News
Diva -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:44 a.m.
Re: Some Disturbing News
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:47 a.m.
Re: It's a hoax, Diva
PJS -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:48 a.m.
Re: It's a hoax, Diva
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:49 a.m.
Well...
Diva -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 8:10 a.m.
Re: Well...
db -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 8:53 a.m.
Sorry Diva...
baldman -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:51 a.m.
Heard that too....FAKE!!!! n/m
Taki -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:55 a.m.
ONLY FOR YOU DO I HOLD BACK DIVA!!! Bigger breast.....I'm loosing the battle..better get off line!!
Siphon77 -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 8:42 a.m.
The really bad part is
Megan -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 10:36 a.m.
What's the deal with the fitness...
taki -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:20 a.m.
Re: What's the deal with the fitness...
PJS -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:27 a.m.
Fitness is the future...
Ben -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:30 a.m.
Oh, and the second place winner has one too?
Taki -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:44 a.m.
Good Morning!!!! Back is aching from squats (did Sumo) and chest is fearing this evenings punishment
Adam -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 5:29 a.m.
Hey Adam....
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 6:23 a.m.
Hey Joe....
baldman -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 6:46 a.m.
Hmmm...I'm not sure but...
Joe -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 6:58 a.m.
SQUATS are my.....
6% -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:54 a.m.
siphon77
THE NIGHT STALKER -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:41 p.m.
Re: siphon77
the undertaker -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:47 p.m.
Re: siphon77
KANE -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:49 p.m.
Re: siphon77
deca-boy -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:51 p.m.
Re: siphon77
bald-boy -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:53 p.m.
Re: siphon77
"stone cold" steve austin -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:57 p.m.
Re: siphon77
timmy from southpark -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:59 p.m.
5-DAY Split
WildCat -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:07 p.m.
Re: 5-DAY Split
Ben -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:37 a.m.
dece you don't know sh&& and to think you uncle competed vs lee haney
MONTE BURNS -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:02 p.m.
Actually...you're wrong...
Decakid -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:37 p.m.
What to do!
A-Bomb -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 5:01 p.m.
INTENSITY: Lifting vs. Running
A-Bomb -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 4:34 p.m.
A Bomb you pose a great question. With me its like this
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 4:43 p.m.
2000 Mr. O
Michael -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 1:48 p.m.
Re: 2000 Mr. O
kevin duerr -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 1:53 p.m.
If Flex could buckle down and go back to basics he
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 2:05 p.m.
agreed nm
Dave JAy -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 2:42 p.m.
the only contested placings are second thru last...
jimi -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 2:45 p.m.
sorry...Priest after Cutler then James....n/m
jimi -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 2:50 p.m.
Re: the only contested placings are second thru last...
kevin duerr -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 2:58 p.m.
Kevin, Lee L and Arnold are my favorite bbers but none are actively competing anymore. Kevin thinks
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 3:03 p.m.
Saw Chris Cormoer this past weekend at East Coast champs in....
Taki -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 7:11 a.m.
Re: 2000 Mr. O: Vickie Gates
Michael -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 3:18 p.m.
I know what you mean. Shawn was great for years and when they finally started looking his
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 4:03 p.m.
Re: I know what you mean. Shawn was great for years and when they finally started looking his
Michael -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 4:20 p.m.
The best poser of all time
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:54 p.m.
There's a difference between "best poser" and "best routine"...
Ben -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 1:18 p.m.
Ed Corney may have started it but Lee perfected it
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 1:53 p.m.
Re: The best poser of all time
kevin duerr -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 1:50 p.m.
I've finally mastered the intensity.....
6% -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:31 p.m.
I ignored them all my life and in that last 8 months of training them
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:42 p.m.
Re: I've finally mastered the intensity.....
Dave Jay -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 2:45 p.m.
Okay its painfully obvious that some people have jumped ship. So I choose to lead by example
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:41 a.m.
TRAINING? In about 2 hours what I'm gonna do to my body...
Adam -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:10 p.m.
Chins? Dude life starts at the pulldown machine
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:19 p.m.
Re: Chins? Dude life starts at the pulldown machine
db -- Wednesday, 23 August 2000, at 9:01 a.m.
"Was it over......"
batfreak -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:19 p.m.
Chool sounds like a party COUNT ME IN!! Bring the pro bars and lets go!..nm
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:26 p.m.
If we re-build it....they will come...
6% -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:39 p.m.
Okay bring the bulldozers you big baby! Me I'm bring the
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:46 p.m.
I just wanted to bring something TOUGH!!!
6% -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:53 p.m.
leave the plans to me....we need an engineer on this job nm
Adam -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 1:15 p.m.
Plans???
baldman -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 1:52 p.m.
So honestly...How many of you find hope for yourselves in this Bbing become an olympic sport?
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:12 a.m.
Re: So honestly...How many of you find hope for yourselves in this Bbing become an olympic sport?
Dave Jay -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 2:52 p.m.
Yeah that worries me to. I think it will be the most controversy in the Games
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 3:05 p.m.
Re: Yeah that worries me to. I think it will be the most controversy in the Games
BIGGRNYU -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 6:11 p.m.
Everyone do direct work for forearms or you let overall lifting take
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 10:39 a.m.
big forearms won't get you....
AustinIdol -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 10:55 a.m.
True. In fact the big forarms are typically a sign that you need more of that. nm
Adam -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:02 a.m.
do you see this crap?!
big earl -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 1:39 p.m.
maybe
Dave Jay -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 2:50 p.m.
I do some direct grip work...maybe once per month....
Adam -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 10:56 a.m.
Bats! Unfortunatley not much has change with my over all look
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:52 a.m.
That should have read hasn't not has..nm
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 10:38 a.m.
Hey, guys! My Daily Training Journal is now up and running . . .
Skip La Cour -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:40 a.m.
Check out his goals.....
6% -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:34 p.m.
Anyone read the newest on dieting?
skier -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:40 a.m.
Re: Anyone read the newest on dieting?
ODogg -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:55 a.m.
Re: Anyone read the newest on dieting?
kevin duerr -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 10:04 a.m.
Re: That isn't particularly new...
PJS -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:48 p.m.
CARB CYCLE IDEAS...
BIGGRNYU -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:09 p.m.
Okay whats a theory you have on training and or dieting that your feel works but either
Pete -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:16 a.m.
I don't think there are too many really off the wall theories
Joe -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:28 a.m.
I AGREE!
BIGGRNYU -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:16 p.m.
wasted talent
kevin duerr -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:11 a.m.
Hey Nightstalker!
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:38 a.m.
Anyone else ever have a near miss at the gym....
Adam -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:14 a.m.
I wouldn't say.....
6% -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:21 a.m.
Three times
skier -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:24 a.m.
ATTN: EVERYONE
Adam -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:09 a.m.
is it worth the money
kevin duerr -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:55 a.m.
Re: is it worth the money
ABU -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:59 a.m.
Re: is it worth the money
dave -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:42 a.m.
Re: is it worth the money
BigJ -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 10:39 a.m.
fmf training
abu -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:52 a.m.
WHO'S TRAINING TODAY!!!?
6% -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:45 a.m.
REST!! Lots of it....
Joe -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:05 a.m.
Deadlifting tonight!!!! awww yeah! nm
Adam -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:10 a.m.
Actually that should be DEADLIFT!!
Joe -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:23 a.m.
Oh ya.....forgot DEADLIFTS and SQUATS are always in caps. nm
Adam -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 10:36 a.m.
So what's Siphon's excuse?.....
6% -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:11 a.m.
Sorry bro I found a loop hole. If you say like this Sssssssssqqqqquuuuuaatss sssss you
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:24 a.m.
I think we need a judgement on that.....
6% -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 11:31 a.m.
Back and Shoulders tonight!
Carrie -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:24 a.m.
Squuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaa aattttttttttssssssss and a couple of leg ext...nm
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:03 a.m.
okay....MANDATORY poll!!!!!!...
Adam -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:06 a.m.
Re: okay....MANDATORY poll!!!!!!...
ODogg -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:17 a.m.
Hey Hey! interesting poll
Decakid -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:31 a.m.
Re: Hey Hey! interesting poll
Jaime -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:34 a.m.
Since you put it like that...
Decakid -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:44 a.m.
Re: okay....MANDATORY poll!!!!!!...
Carrie -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:37 a.m.
Carrie, shoot me an email....thanks! n/m
ODogg -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:56 a.m.
Re: okay....MANDATORY poll!!!!!!...
Joe -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:38 a.m.
Re: okay....MANDATORY poll!!!!!!...
Diva -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:39 a.m.
Diva, my sweet, babe of all babes...
AustinIdol -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 10:39 a.m.
@%$*spit,gag,spat&#(.....Ahem....
Diva -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 12:56 p.m.
I'm with....
6% -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:40 a.m.
Re: okay....MANDATORY poll!!!!!!...
Shep -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:06 a.m.
I'm always posting looking for fun. Truth is training wise
Siphon77 -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:42 a.m.
Cyberslacking...
Old Dood -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 8:58 a.m.
Re: okay....MANDATORY poll!!!!!!...
batfreak -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:09 a.m.
Re: okay....MANDATORY poll!!!!!!...
skier -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 9:33 a.m.
hmmmmmm.....
AustinIdol -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 10:17 a.m.
Re: okay....MANDATORY poll!!!!!!...
ekto -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 6:06 p.m.
Did ya see that? A tumbleweed...
Not surprised -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 6:59 a.m.
Re: Did ya see that? A tumbleweed...
chet y -- Tuesday, 22 August 2000, at 7:54 a.m.
guess again
monte burns -- Monday, 21 August 2000, at 7:01 p.m.
Uhhhh.... Jimmy Reynolds???
Lurker -- Monday, 21 August 2000, at 7:10 p.m.
damn lurker dude,you'r good....
geo -- Monday, 21 August 2000, at 7:27 p.m.
Can it be true...?
DecaGOD -- Monday, 21 August 2000, at 7:28 p.m.
Re: Can it be true...?

[slaveboy1980]

1997 Grand Prix: Kevin Levrone!!! Where were you during the Olympia, and why wait until the European show to dominate like you did. Kevin was unbelievable, winning all the shows of the 1997 European Grand Prix. In every city he went to, he was the star, dazzling everyone with his sculptured body, beating Nasser, who placed second in the first three events, and Cormier, who was second in the rest of the events. Cormier himself was quite interesting, starting in 8th place in the first show, 6th in the second, 6th in the third, and then jumping all the way to 2nd for the rest. I wonder how he did it, or what the judges saw differently. The complete contests results are in the 'Contests Results' section.

The 1997 Mr. Olympia: What a show! Friday night was the prejudging of the Mr. Olympia competitors, Saturday at noon the prejudging of the Master's Olympia, and Saturday evening, the finals for both events. Friday and Saturday afternoon, there was an Olympia Expo, in which anyone could come and check out the latest in bodybuilding products and clothing.
There were a lot of surprises during this Olympia Weekend, the first coming Thursday at the press conference when Flex Wheeler announced that he will not participate in this year's Mr. Olympia, due to the fact of injuries he sustained during a carjacking attempt. The following days, there was a lot of buzz about Flex, some people saying that he faked the incident, that he chicken out, that he was not ready for this competition. Saturday evening, during the main event, Flex came on stage, and blasted the audience, his peers, the magazines; for all of the rumors out there. He seemed genuinely hurt that people would actually believe these rumors. He stated that the incident left him with bruises all over, and that he had hurt his arm, and had to go to the hospital twice, and could not compete under these conditions. He also stated that he would compete again next year in the Ironman Pro, Arnold Classic, and San Jose Classic, and win all three! Guaranteed he will win them! He also promised to win next years Olympia! Good luck, Flex.

So who was this surprise guest star that IFBB Chairman Wayne DeMilia promised he would get. It was none other than Dana Carvey, star of Wayne's World, and a regular on Saturday Night Live, among many other things. Dana was an excellent host, working the crowd with his antics and jokes, and the crowd was quite receptive to him. Other presenters were Rachel McLish, the first Ms. Olympia; Larry Scott, the first Mr. Olympia; and Mia Finnegan, the first Fitness Olympia winner.

Speaking of Mia Finnegan, I was quite impressed with her and her husband, Rich, for volunteering and bringing about 20 underprivileged inner city kids who would never have a chance to see an event like this, and escorting them around, being the perfect host. Mia and Rich do not have to spend their time to do this, but it shows that they do care.

Dorian vs. Shawn! Well, it was not even close. In fact, Shawn was lucky that he placed third! The real show was Dorian vs. Nasser. Nasser looked good. Real good! So good, in fact, he should of won. However, I am not a judge, but Nasser looked impressive. Not that Dorian wasn't. But when they called Nasser's name in second place, there were more boo's from the audience than cheers that Dorian was crowned the winner. Not that Dorian did not come complete with his own cheering section, 20 people strong, who brought air horns and were seen waving the British flag whenever Dorian graced the stage.

What about the rest? During the Olympia, the 13 contestants are reduced to 10, which is then reduced to 6. The six then go for an 'all out' posedown, which was fun and exciting to watch as each bodybuilder tried to outmuscle each other. Then comes the tension as Wayne DeMilia calls out the final order. It is here where the biggest mistake that I have seen in recent memory occurred.

When Kevin Levrone was announced as 6th place, he could not believe it. He just stood there, mouth gaping. He thought he should of placed higher. But he kept his cool. Then Wayne announced Lee Priest in 5th place, and Paul Dillett in 4th. And that was the way the Mr. Olympia placings stood that evening. Until the next morning! When the official judges scorecards came out, it revealed that Kevin Levrone was in 4th, Paul Dillett in 5th, and Lee Priest in 6th. Unbelievable!

Unbelievable was that it was not recognized by anyone during the Mr. Olympia evening, when Wayne was reading the results. Nobody said anything, not the judges, not Wayne, not even the people who had the scorecards with them. Why not? Why wait until the next morning to reveal the true standing? Why let the audience go home with these results, and tell everyone in the world the wrong placings? Anyway, naturally, Paul & Lee were quite displeased at these revelations, while Kevin was quite the happy camper! After the Mr. Olympia event, many competitors, judges, friends and anyone who purchased a ticket went to the Queen Mary ship for the Victory Banquet.

There were many bodybuilders and fitness competitors outside the arena in the Olympia Expo. Personally, I saw Eddie Robinson, Roland Kickinger, Mellisa Coates, Carol Semple-Marzetta, Sherry Goggin-Gardinia, Alexandra Beres, Greg Kovacs, Mike O'Hearn, and many, many more. Legends like Albert Beckles, Lou Ferrigno, and Larry Scott were also around, and even Kevin Eubanks, and James Caan were in the audience whooping it up.

Anyway, I have a lot more information on the Mr. Olympia and Master's Olympia, including pictures, commentary, and other exciting and interesting facts. Check out it on the special Olympia section. Personally, I had a great time, and enjoyed the shows!


Master's Olympia: The fourth annual Master's Olympia would never make it by itself as a contest, but it is a good addition to have with the Mr. Olympia. Where else can you see the 52 year old Robby Robinson, and the 63 year old Ed Corney compete, for fun. It is amazing to see these bodybuilders in shape at that age, and everyone in the audience truly respects them for it. The contest was different this year. Three different categories, age 40-49, 50-59, and 60+. Then the winner in each age group competes for the overall, which was won by Vince Taylor, who looked better than any other old timer. In fact, Vince was in better shape than some of the bodybuilders in the Mr. Olympia.
The best routine of the night was performed by Vince Taylor, who came on stage in a great mood, dancing to the 'Macerena', bringing the audience to their feet, and received the loudest cheering of the evening. Routines like this make the show extremely fun to go to.


Judging the Mr. Olympia: I had a nice interview with one of the Mr. Olympia judges, and we spoke about how the judges actually judge the Mr. Olympia. I was very impressed with the information he told me, and learned quite a lot. There are two main events in judging the Olympia, the pre-judging, and the evening show. The athletes do look different during the morning show. There are no lights, no music, just a plain stage. Being in the first row helped me to understand the difference, how someone could look bigger and better in the evening, but not as great in the prejudging, or vice versa.
A judge does not compare an athlete against his last contest. Too many people have said that 'he looked better at the Arnold', or 'He is less muscular than he was last year.' A judge does not care about that. A judge cares about how they look on stage on the time of pre-judging. Not a day later, not a day before. And when the competitors are up there, that is when a judge makes his or her decision. Each judge gets to decide whom they want to call out (three at a time). The head judge (Jim Manion), who does not vote, picks up the desired call outs from the judges. The judges are allowed to have as many call outs as they want, until they have decided the order of the competitors for that round.

In terms of competitors in the Mr. Olympia, all have them have great features, all are champions. The judges know that. They instead try to look for the weak points of the competitor. Dorian looks great, but his biceps are not up to par as the rest of his body. Nasser does not have his 'back' up to par, Mike has a stomach that pops out, and so on. The more weak points they have against the competitor, the lower they drop in the ratings. Size and height do not count. Muscularity and symmetry does.


Arnold Schwarzenegger: Congratulations to Arnold & Maria Shriver. On Saturday, September 27, the Schwarzenegger family added another addition to the clan. The 9 1/2 pound baby boy was delivered at 5:45 pm in a Los Angeles based hospital. Arnold now has four children, two boys and two girls.

Conan the Adventurer: Ralf Moeller, a close friend of Arnold Schwarzenegger, will play Conan for a new syndicated series coming soon a television set near you. With the popularity of Hercules, Xena and Sinbad, adventure series are becoming big business. It's initial run of 22 episodes have already been sold to more than 80 countries. Moeller is 36 years old, 6'6" and 275 pounds. He was an ardent bodybuilder competitor, having won the Mr. Universe title in Tokyo in 1986, and had competed both in the Arnold Classic and Mr. Olympia events.

Flex's Calf Implants: Flex also spoke to me at the Mr. Olympia about another matter. It seemed that this year, the pro bodybuilders have lost the respect that they used to have for each other. Flex gave me a copy of a letter Shawn Ray wrote accusing him of having calf implants, and a letter from the IFBB forcing Flex to go to a the IFBB's doctor to have it check out. Needless to say, he passed, but Flex is outraged at Shawn Ray's attitude towards him. Why is it in written form? Well, the IFBB states that in order for a complaint to be valid, it must be filed in writing, detailing names, the alleged violations, etc. Here is the letter written by Shawn Ray to the IFBB, dated July 21, 1997.

On behalf of myself and fellow competitors, I have been requested by the IFBB to execute a written letter of complaint wit regards to the total disregard to the rules of competition involving Calf Implants. Therefore, I am compelled to shed light on a situation involving a competitor at this years Mr. Olympia contest before the contest, to prevent any form of unfair advantages by a competition who is in direct violation of the rules of competition.
The IFBB clearly states "Calf Implants are illegal and any athlete who tried to compete with them will not be allowed to compete nor will they be entitled to any financial compensation." This is the rule the IFBB made, not Shawn Ray. That being said, I feel I am in the best position to speak freely on the subject of rules violation since I, as an athlete, have also been penalized by not following the rules of competition. In 1989, i was suspended from competition for failure to compete for a period of one year. In 1990, I forfeited $ 60,000 for failing the mandatory drug test. I have since come to understand that this is a business and have to respect it so such to safeguard the integrity of this sport. The actions of the IFBB were strict and swiftly carried out which sent a message to me and my fellow competitor that zero tolerance is the only way to keep other athletes from public embarrassment, suspensions, financial penalties, and self destruction.

The new rule of a formal complaint compelled me to write and inform the IFBB that it is my position as a professional athlete representing my friends, family, fans and colleagues that it is my belief that Ken 'Flex' Wheeler has violated the rules of competition with regard to Calf Implant. I base my conclusion not only on my personal experience with training him for 3 months in 1997 and working calves a total of 3 times, but also photographic evidence from 1992-93 and the present. I feel there is an unfair advantage that he may possess sending the wrong message to those who abide by the rules of competition. I am requesting the IFBB to perform a full medical examination of both of Ken Wheelers lower legs using X-Ray, MRI, Cat Scan, and whatever other procedures are available to conclusively determine the presence of a foreign object or solution that would be deemed an implant with regard to the rules of competition. Upon the conclusion of this medical examination, I am requesting a copy of the report and if possible photographic proof of the X-Ray to fully satisfy my suspicions of this violation since I am representing the other athletes as well. Should these allegations be true, I am also requesting full disclosure with regard to the actions of the IFBB in a timely fashion prior to the September 1997 Mr. Olympia contest in Long Beach, California. Thank you, Shawn Ray

The IFBB in turn sent a letter to Flex Wheeler, from Wayne Demila, ordering Flex to be at an appointment on Monday, September 8th, in which two or three doctors examined Flex, and looked for an implant, nothing else. Since we knew that Flex was going to compete in the Mr. Olympia, we can assume he passed the doctor's appointment.


Jeep Swanson: I am sorry to report that Jeep Swanson died of heart failure late last month at the age of 40. Jeep was a regular at Gold's Gym of Venice, and played 'Bane' in the movie Batman & Robin, and had a role in the movie 'Bulletproof'. . He stood 6'4" and weight around 400 pounds, benched 650, deadlifted 910 and squatted to the floor with 1,000 pounds on his back. We will all miss him.

Real Bodybuilding: John Balik, the publisher of Ironman Magazine, defined the term 'Real Bodybuilding' in the October 1994 issue. Since then, many people have started using the term. 'Real Bodybuilding' means being in shape 365 days a year, not just on the day of the contest, with the rest of the time spent recovering from the physical and psychological damage of the contest and preparing for the next one day peak. Real bodybuilding flourishes because it makes you feel great all the time. It's practiced by people who love the feeling of the workout and the exhilaration of accomplishment.

Oxygen Fitness Magazine: has premiered it's first issue (Nov/Dec) which features Vicky Pratt on the cover. It is a magazine dedicate to women's fitness, and feature articles by Mia Finnegan, Vicky Pratt, Christine Lydon, Monica Brant, Brandy Hale, and many more. Oxygen encourages all women of all ages to use weights to shape, build and tone their physiques, and also promotes the importance of cardio and sound nutrition. The publisher is Robert Kennedy, the same person who publishes MuscleMag International. I would like to wish Robert Kennedy good luck on his new venture, and if all the issues are as good as the first one, it will succeed.

The 20 Best Fitness Women, in Muscular Development's opinion are Alexandra Beres, Monica Brant, Brandi Carrier, Laurie Donnelly, Marla Duncan, Amy Fadhli, Mia Finnegan, Sherry Goggin-Giardina, Madonna Grimes, Renita Harris, Theresa Hessler, Karen Hulse, Debbie Kruck, Shonna McCarver, April Moore, Denise Paglia, Deidre Pagnanelli, Ursula Sarcev-Alberto, Carol Semple-Marzatta, and Kiana Tom. These are the fairest of the fair, the fittest of the fit! However, how did they get on this list? I do not remember all of these women, granted they are beautiful, winning fitness events and contests. Did a sex starved man make this list? Should it not be based on athleticism, and by being in the top of their field?

Liquid Creatine?: So it looks like Ironman Magazine has entered into a marketing agreement with So Cal Sports Supplements. So Cal Sports Supplements was founded by John Cribbs and James Bradshaw, and supposedly have created a liquid creatine that is stable. Called Liquid Creatine (clever name, huh?), they claim that this product works 629% more effective than powdered creatine, and that powdered creatine does not work on 40% of the people that use it. They actually claim a lot more stuff, like how other creatine producing companies (over 50 of them, including some of the best and most reputable out there, with millions in research behind them) will try to convince you this product is not real. Hmmm?
From what is printed about creatine, creatine is not stable in liquid form for more than a few days at room temperature. However, they claim that their product is not mixed with water and is Ph balanced. I can guarantee you that this product will become a hot topic in the months to come, with either research proving these ads are deceiving a lot of bodybuilders, or this company is going to make a lot of money with a hot new idea. What do you think?

[slaveboy1980]

Arnold Schwarzenegger, on April 16, 1997 has open heart surgery at a hospital in Los Angeles, which the surgeons replaced a valve. The operation was deemed a success, and Arnold should only be in the hospital for about 5-7 days. He will then rest at home, and be back on his feet promoting his upcoming movie "Batman & Robin" by Memorial Day Weekend.

All Natural Muscular Development: Are the bodybuilders in the 'new all natural' look of the magazine drug free. To quote Craig Titus, the new IFBB pro who won his card at the NPC USA, "When I open the magazine and see such hypocrisy, it makes me sick! I guess your ad space does not apply to the new policy of featuring only drug-free competitiors'". Craigs points out that there are performance enhancement methods in every sports, but they do not talk about it. Craig got angry when the magazine started to rip apart those who have different opinions on the subject, However, what does it matter? If Musclar Development chooses to go in this direction, let them. The readers who choose the magazines are smart enough to buy what interests them.

IFBB San Jose Pro: What can we say about Flex Wheeler, except that he is truly the most awesome bodybuilder of 1997, winning all three IFBB Pro shows in a row. Flex won first place at the San Jose Pro, followed by Nasser El Sonbaty. Flex and Nasser gave an excellent thrilling performance for the crowd! For the complete results, check out San Jose Pro Results.

There will be a new magazine designed exclusively for women who are serious about fitness and physique. Named Oxygen!, its motto is 'sweat, tears and the joy of women's fitness'. The new magazine is being brought out of the editors of MuscleMag International, and will debut in a couple of months. It will promote the advancement of women's health, strength, fitness and improved bodyshape, but not the hardcore, or overtly sensuous swimsuit images. Stay tuned for more info...

Powerhouse Venice Closes: The mecca of Powerhouse Gym, in the heart of Venice, closed Friday evening, 2/28/97, with no warning to its members whatsoever. When contacted for an answer, the corporate offices of Powerhouse issued this statement.
"Please be advised that the Venice facility is temporarily closed for remodeling or relocation. We have been in litigation with the Venice landlord to regain the space wrongfully confiscated in December 1996, and although we have spent over $150,000 in legal fees, the situation has not been resolved. We are actively seeking a new location to relocate to as a possible alternative and will advise you of any such progress as it develops."

However, the members will not be cheated out of their memberships. They will be able to work out at the Powerhouse Gym in West L.A., located three miles away, which incidentally, carries only the American Body Building line of performance drinks.


IFBB Arnold Classic: Ken 'Flex' Wheeler continued his dominance of the 1997 season by defeating the powerful Nasser El Sonbaty at the Arnold Classic. To see Flex pull this one off was unbelievable, considering the muscles of Nasser. Nasser himself was furious at the judges, as were a lot of fans. They thought that Nasser was being punished, for his past failed drug test at the Olympia by the judges. Lee Priest did not even place in the top six, finishing seventh, which brought a lot of boos from the audience. Still, this was a hard fought fight with the top nine finishers being in excellent place. The only disappointment was the debut of Don Long, who finished 12th. For the complete results, check out The Arnold Classic Results.

IFBB Ironman Show: Ken 'Flex' Wheeler won his third Ironman Pro in a row, defeating a 217 pound 5 foot 3 inch Lee Priest. Third place went to Ronnie Coleman, while fourth went to Aaron Baker. For more info on the show, check out the Contest Results under Ironman Pro. The show itself was a success, with over 1,500 people attending, and the competitors provided some excellent routines.
A large showing was at hand at this years Ironman, the largest ever for this show, a total of 23 competitors. Included in the lineup were Aaron Baker, Ronnie Coleman, Porter Cottrell, Paul Dillett, Mohamed El Makkawy, Alq Gurley, Fauzi Hanst, Ian Harrison, B.J. Johns, Roland Kickinger, Alessandro Komadina, Jeffrey Long, Patrick Lynn, Bruce Patterson, Lee Priest, J.P. Pulkkinen, Jerry Rodgers, Eddie Robinson, Gunter Schlierkamp, Joe Spinello, Henderson Thorne, Max Shamaya, and defending champion Ken 'Flex' Wheeler.


IFBB San Jose Pro Invitational Show Line-up: One week after the Arnold Classic comes the third pro show of the year, in San Jose, California. American Body Building is proud to be a sponsor of this show. The current line-up includes Aaron Baker, Ronnie Coleman, Emeric Delczeg, Paul Dillet, Nasser El Sonbaty, Michael Francois, Alq Gurley, Fauzi Hanst, Ian Harrison, Rod Ketchens, Roland Kickinger, Allesandro Komadina, Jeffrey Long, Don Long, & Lee Priest. Promoter Jeff Hetrick has done an excellent job preparing for this event.

IFBB Show Changes and Cancellations: The IFBB Italian Fitness Pro Invitational has been moved from March 16 to June 22, while the IFBB Florida Men's Bodybuilding Pro has been cancelled.

Dr. Chris Lydon, featured in the March 1997 'Swimsuit Edition' of Ironman magazine, and in the August 1996 Playboy issue (and the cover of their new Hardbody special edition issue), graduated from Yale Medical School, and worked at USC County Medical before she decided she does not want to be a doctor. Chris is awesome, and I wish to congratulate her on her success, having worked with Chris for a year in 1995 while she was an American Body Building rep in Los Angeles. Check her out!

Seems that everybody wants to try the 'Pure Protein' bar by World Wide Nutrition, which claims it has 33 grams of protein, 7 grams of fat, and 7 grams of carbs. I know a few people who were eating three bars a day. Until Muscle Media 2000 magazine printed out that the bars they tasted actually contained 18 grams of fat! Yes, 18 GRAMS OF FAT per bar! And a lot more carbs then they were claiming also. My friends were furious, having working out on a diet, and finding out that they were eating more than 50 grams of fat in just the bars they were eating. Anyway, if you were duped by this 'Pure Protein' bar, and saw the ad in Muscle Media 2000, that magazine will give you back a refund for the fraudulent claims of the bar because they published the ad, even though they had nothing to do with it. However, I can't wait until World Wide Nutrition makes a statement. So far, they have not answered back against this proof!

News from the AAU Mr. America contest: The contest was held September 16, 1996, and Charles Durr was declared the overall winner, also winning the middleweight class. However, the AAU Mr. America is a drug tested show, and two weeks or so after the contest, it turns out several of the athletes, including Charles Durr, failed the test. He was disqualified, and eventually heavyweight class winner Doug Reiser was declared the new AAU Mr. America. However, that did not sit well with Charles, who claimed that the urine tested sample at the lab could not have been his! Thus, no way can he be disqualified! The controversy has begun, and now attorneys are involved, and it probably will go to court, since neither side will budge. So will Charles be stripped of his title or will the court force the AAU to reinstate him. We shall see...

Michele Ralabate, an IFBB women's bodybuilder, who won the 1995 NPC Bodybuilding Nationals, has decided to compete in the IFBB Fitness competitions instead. Look for her to compete in the 1996 Night of Champions Fitness show in New York. Michele also has signed on with J.M. Management company, who will represent her.

Achim Albrecht, an IFBB pro bodybuilder, has said goodbye to bodybuilding and has signed a contract with the World Wrestling Federation (WWF). Look for him on television as a rough tough wrestler! We will miss him in the IFBB...

Muscular Development*Fitness*Health Magazine has changed its name. The name of the magazine will now be called All Natural Muscular Development, with the 'All Natural' in smaller letters. This move is in response to their decision to support more natural bodybuilders than the hardcore bodybuilder look. The new name and look will start with the February 1997 issue. Of course, while this move has been made, the 'so-called' support starts with a cover of sensational fitness model Karen Hulse, instead of a 'natural' bodybuilder. Not that I am complaining, Karen is in top shape!

Olympia Weekend: Things will change for the 1997 contests. The promoters have split up the Olympia weekend, separating the shows. The Ms. Olympia and Fitness Olympia will be in New York, on Thanksgiving weekend, at the Beacon Theater. And the Mr. Olympia, and the Master's Olympia will be in Long Beach, California (15 miles south of Los Angeles).

[slaveboy1980]

ok.



NPC Nationals (Oct 25-26): Tom Prince celebrated his birthday on October 26, but that did not help him at all as Jay Cutler took all the judges first place votes as he became the Heavyweight Champion of the NPC Nationals. However, the big surprise was that Jay did not take the Overall title. That honor went to Willie Stalling, the winner of the Light-Heavyweight division. According to one judge, Jay Cutler looked bigger, but Willie was in the best form.

Mr. Olympia news. Rumor has it that one of the bodybuilders who competed in the Mr. Olympia did not pass his diuretics drug exam. If this is true, and the IFBB is going to make a statement soon, then that bodybuilder will be stripped of his placing and lose all of the prize money that he won! Stay tuned...

Weider has decided to go public. Weider (the nutrition part of the company, not the magazines or equipment) filed with the SEC for an initial public offering (IPO) on September 27th. Besides Wieder Nutrition Group, Twinlabs, which failed initially to draw the interest of investors, is now back on line with their initial stock offering. So if you wish to be a part of these companies, contact your local stockbroker, so you can buy in!

The entire USA Team Universe will not be going to Amman, Jordan this year to compete in the 1996 IFBB World Bodybuilding Championships on November 15. The USA is not boycotting the event, but the NPC was advised by the State Department in Washington D.C., not to take the responsibility of traveling with an American athletic team to Jordan at this point and time because of the volatile situation there. Other countries are also monitoring the situation, and are considering whether to stay or go. Most of the athletes that were supposed to go were relieved not to be thrust into this life threating situation in Jordan. Of course, they are upset that they cannot compete, but what is more important. Your life or a trophy?

Is Met-Rx abandoning bodybuilding... the sport that made Met-Rx what it is today? Seems that some athletes who have contracts with Met-Rx are disgruntled upon hearing rumors that Met-Rx will not renew their arrangements any more. According to sources, Met-Rx has decided to not sponsor any more bodybuilding contests after the Arnold Classic, and, out of 200 athletes and bodybuilders on contract and Team Met-Rx, the group will be narrowed down to only 10! It seems that Met-Rx might have gone too mainstream, and is now trying to concentrate on the medical nutrition field. Stay tuned for more information...

Dateline NBC: Sunday evening, October 6th, Dateline's program was an attack on supplements, especially Met-Rx, which they said that there was no proof that the product worked at all, and that it was all testimonial. According to many who watched the show, Dateline seemed to imply that all these supplements and items that bodybuilders take, with the exception of one or two, do nothing to us, and that there is no scientific proof for it. We have already asked for a transcript of the show for a more accurate reading. But, in my opinion, what kind of crap does Dateline think it puts out when they accuse companies of this. Doesn't Dateline read any medical or athlete's journals where they could of easily found the proof for the story. Hmmm...

It gets worse for Met-Rx as time goes by. Saturday evening, October 19th, 20/20 television program really went off on Met-Rx, accusing them of the same ideas that Dateline had, but much worse. Still, when you are number one in the protein packet category, people will pick on you.

Olympia News: People booed and were shocked, then gave Nassar El Sonbaty a standing ovation as he received third place in the 1996 Mr. Olympia. Almost every person I talked to said that Nassar should of been definately second, and many thought he defeated Dorian. So why did Shawn Ray get second place after placing fifth at the Night of Champions. More than one professional bodybuilder I talked to seemed to think it was a political decision. However, after speaking with some of the judges, they seem to think that Shawn just had better symmetry than Nasser.

Only one person out of 214 entries correctly predicted all four Olympia Weekend winners in the ABB Olympia Contest. The two surprises were Saryn Muldrow placing first in the Fitness Olympia (only 3 people picked her to be first), and Kim Chizevsky placing first in the Ms. Olympia (30 out of 214 picked her to be first). And only 2 people predicted that Shawn Ray would come 2nd after Dorian! For all those who said that the Olympia contests are very predictable, we now have proof that 1996 definately was not the case.

So the questions arise; who is Muscletech Research and Development? MuscleMag International is claiming that they have nothing to do with this company, yet in the December 1996 issue, they have pictures of 45 bottles (count them) of Muscletech's products on various pages; between ads, articles, even people holding them up! What gives?

The FDA is considering banning Ephedrine and MaHuang products from the market. Nebraska has already exacted a law making it illegal to sell products containing MaHuang. Other states may soon follow, if the FDA does not act first. MaHuang has been around for thousands of years. The FDA has met sometime early September and is expected to make a decision some time in the near future. Why all the hoopla. According to the FDA, since 1993, they have compiled a list of 15 deaths, and over 400 injuries from ephedrine based products. I personally think that by the beginning of 1997, most companies will have stopped producing ephedrine and MaHuang based products and that is a shame.

The Surgeon General really put us to shame in their report on the state of health in the USA. It said that 60% of Americans do not exercise regularly, and 25% not at all. What kind of person does not understand how important it is to exercise? If you have a friend, or relative that just sits there on their ass, then push them to exercise. Even walking for 30 minutes can do the trick. If they still give you a hard time, remind them this. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that 250,000 deaths a year are related to a lack of regular physical activity. Hey, even sex counts (that's 200-300 for some people).

Upcoming Weddings & Engagements: Paul DeMayo & Lynn Cucchiara; Michelle Bellini & Dan Freeman; Flex Wheeler & Madelyn Love.

[Monster_Everything]

get a life

[slaveboy1980]

Michele Ralabate, an IFBB women's bodybuilder, who won the 1995 NPC Bodybuilding Nationals, has decided to compete in the IFBB Fitness competitions instead. Look for her to compete in the 1996 Night of Champions Fitness show in New York. Michele also has signed on with J.M. Management company, who will represent her.

Achim Albrecht, an IFBB pro bodybuilder, has said goodbye to bodybuilding and has signed a contract with the World Wrestling Federation (WWF). Look for him on television as a rough tough wrestler! We will miss him in the IFBB...

So I am proud to say that I consider 'Muscle & Fitness' the best magazine at the moment. Why? Because they were nice enough to publish an article I wrote on two subjects which I know about, bodybuilding and the Internet. Titled 'Muscle Goes Online', this explains how hot topics related to bodybuilding are online. So pick up the February 1997 issue of Muscle & Fitness, and check out page 88! Oh yes, don't forget to send in those postcards, telling the editors how great and wonderful the article was, and wishing to see more of that author. (So a little plug can't hurt, huh?)

How much is enough! How arrogant can you be! The February 1997 issue of Muscle Media 2000 has just gone way too far in trying to promote EAS's products (which is owned by Bill Phillips, same owner as Muscle Media 2000). Perhaps we should rename this magazine EAS 2000 catalog, considering the amount of advertising that is in this magazine for them. My god, they even have 24 pages in a row about EAS's product (yes, 24 pages in a row). Does Muscle Media 2000 think we care about EAS that much. The readers purchase the magazine because of its honest, good articles, and excellent questions. But with this type of blatant advertising, one wonders how much of the articles are not biased either. The word out on the Internet newsgroups is that Muscle Media 2000 has lost its edge which made it a good bodybuilding magazine. I hope that they head the reader's messager, and go back to the basics which made them what they are. If I wanted a catalog, I would have asked for one!

Twinlabs went public during the later part of November but it seems that they did not draw the investors or the stock price that they wanted. Initially, they wanted $16 a share, but received only $12 a share, where it has stayed at that price ever since. Weider, which also has an initial public offering on the table, has been delayed, and rumor has it that sometime during the end of the first quarter of 1997, they will go to market.

Mr. Olympia News: It seems that the rumor is true. Nasser El Sonbaty has failed the diuretic drug testing at the 1996 Olympia Weekend, and has been disqualified, thus stripping him of his 3rd place finish and the $30,000 prize money. Thus, everyone below him will move up one spot in the official line-up. This was the first time that the Olympia event tested for diuretic testing, and of the 48 athletes involved, only Nasser tested positve. To me, that is quite hard to believe.
Nasser himself, when told of the news, did not seem surprised. Because the testing was not clear, Nasser did whatever needed to get ready for the contest. That does not mean that other athletes did not take it, it just means that they did not test positive for diuretics. Generally, diuretics are detectable for up to 72 hours after they are taken. Nasser has accepted the decision, and will now focus on his next pro contest, the 1997 Arnold Classic in March.

[slaveboy1980]

get a life

sure thing jaedonna 

[Army of One]

Are we supposed to read this

[The Squadfather]

WTF is this nonsense? why do you guys post some of this shit?

[slaveboy1980]

read it and you will understand

[Trev]

read it and you will understand

You bored today?? You could have trained your abs instead !!! 

[slaveboy1980]

Squatting is one of the most productive if not the best exercises out there (it's called the King of Exercises by many). It is one of the most difficult to learn as well. If you are new to this exercise, please take several training sessions practicing with an empty bar or broomstick (you can do some additional work on the leg press if needed). It's very important to get your technique down cold while the weights are still light. Your small errors with small weights will turn into BIG errors with big weights. Much of the bad press the squat has received in the media is a result of improper technique and not the exercise itself. Red flags you may encounter will be pointed out and hopefully how to avoid them.

The first thing to discuss is not foot position or width of stance, but proper trunk position. Pretend you are a soldier and the meanest, ugliest sergeant ever just told you "TEN-HUT!" You would automatically straighten up and pull your head and shoulders back. This is the proper position of the spine for the squat. IOW, your head is pulled back; your chest is raised; and you have a slight arch in your lower back. At no time during the squat should you bend over at the low back or look down. Of course you have to bend over at the hip (more on that later). You should not look up either. OK, so you got that down?

Now, the best way to do squats is in a power rack or cage (a large rectangular rack with cross-drilled holes) so you can adjust the pins where if you have to bale, you can set the bar down without any harm. Set the pins to just below the depth you are going. They also serve as a visual cue for depth and if you go down/up crooked. Place the J hooks or posts that hold the bar for you to get under at the level of your nipple or so. Try to unrack it once to see if it's at the right height The bar should have a knurled area in the middle (if it doesn't, find another bar or another gym) so it will not slide down your back. Many people use towels or padding under the bar. Others (including me) feel this leads to some instability because the weight is "teeter tottering" on a small area on your back. If the bar is hurting you either need to add some trapezius mass, place the bar a little further down your back (it should be just above or below the sharp ridge on your scapula (shoulder blade), buy a Manta Ray, or tolerate it because it's part of the game. The Ray helps to spread the load across the shoulder, but it doesn't fit everyone well.

Now step up to the bar. Place your hands about the same width as a bench press (unless you are doing the shoulder breaker wide-grip variety) and make sure you are even on the bar before unracking. Take a deep breath, step under the bar and unrack it Most squat injuries (according to Fred Hatfield) occur during the back up. Only take enough steps that you can clear the j-hooks or posts on the descent. Place your feet shoulder width or slightly farther apart. Think if you suspended a line from the ceiling it would brush against your medial delt and hit you in the ankle. Use the "practice" sessions to get a width that fits you. You might say many powerlifters squat with a wide-stance and they are pretty strong as a group. I'll agree wholeheartedly, but I'll also point out that the conventional squat is prob'ly more productive because you are working through a larger Range Of Motion. Learn this way and then learn the variations if you like. After you have the width right, turn your feet out at roughly a 45 degree angle. Adjust the width if need be. Now you are ready to squat.

Take a deep breath, contract your abs and descend. It should feel like you are sitting back on a chair behind you; not going straight down. Keep your knees in line with your feet. DO NOT LET YOUR KNEES BOW IN anytime during the lift! (I have a Grade 1 knee sprain (MCL) from doing just this.) Keep the load light enough so you won't do this and gradually build up. Many people say to try to keep your shin at a 90 degree angle to the ground. This is impossible with the regular stance squat and is only possible by a few using the wide-stance variety. Try to keep your knees from going out past your toes. Alter the width if need be. Most people can and should descend till their thighs are parallel to the ground. This is actually pretty low. A very small majority of people can't and may be better stopping just above parallel. Don't give up on reaching parallel too quick. Also, to go even close to parallel, you have to bend over at the hip (not the spine, of course). However, you should always be more upright than bent over. Two methods of determining your shin/back position and depth is to either have an attentive and adept person monitor you from the side and/or use a video camera placed to the side and close enough to determine all angles. After you have descended to the bottom position, reverse your direction immediately (don't bounce at the bottom) and drive upwards. Try and pull your back up (hip extension) as hard as possible during the ascent. Brooks Kubik describes this "as if a giant gorilla had a hold of your ass and your shoulder and was trying to straighten you out." Come back to a standing position, take a breath or two (or many 8^) and descend again. Make each rep it's own little lift. IOW, make each one count even on your warm-ups. If you maintain good form in your warm-ups, you'll likely retain it for the work sets.

Should you wear a belt or knee wraps? The former helps to stabilize the spine by increasing intra-abdominal pressure and the latter is just a way of elevating more weight. Especially if you are getting started with the squat, go without either. Use your abdomen as the brace instead of outside help. The knee wraps serve no use except to the powerlifter who wants a bigger max. They may impede the growth of structures around the knee or even cause some harm if used chronically.

The main reason the power rack gathers dust while there is a line for the angled leg press is because squats HURT! It doesn't matter whether it's the skinny beginner using the "big wheels" on each side for the first time or the bonafide 600+ squatter stepping under an already bending bar. They both feel some pain when doing this exercise. Learn to live with it! The most productive exercises are the most painful. It's a fact of life. If you squat with proper technique and heavy (for you) poundage, you might grunt, scream, cry, hurl and/or pass out, but you prob'ly won't be injured and you'll make terrific headway towards your goals. Learn to be aggressive and focus your complete attention on the task at hand. Good luck and happy training!

Can anyone give me some advice or tell me how I can have slimmer legs.
For a girl my height (5' 3")  I kinda have big legs.  I also want to lose
some weight all around.  I want to flatten my stomach.  I'm not
interested in gaining anymore muscle.  I just want to tone and trim down
a bit.  Please help me, anyone.  This of course is one of my New Year's
resolution.  Thanks.

                                                   Kyung Hee

There is no such thing as "spot reduciton".  When losing bodyfat, it is
"removed" "equally" (really, proportionally to genetic and gender
characteristics, but, for all practical purposes, 'equally' is true)
from the entire body.


> For a girl my height (5' 3")  I kinda have big legs.  I also want to lose
> some weight all around.  I want to flatten my stomach.  I'm not


So you want to lose bodyfat everywhere.   Good.  :-)


> interested in gaining anymore muscle.  I just want to tone and trim down
> a bit.  Please help me, anyone.  This of course is one of my New Year's


Okay.  Losing bodyfat is actually very simple:  Eat a healthy, well-
balanced diet, and begin a moderate-intensity aerobic program.     

This means:  First, try to cut ALL the fat out of your diet.  (For
those of you about to flame me.. I say "all" because in reality, its
just not possible.... and the body actually needs VERY VERY little fat
to do its jobs.)   Second, aerobic activity..  Find something you like
to do..  running, biking, aerobics, etc, etc.. and do it for at least
45 minutes 3-4 times per week.  Understand that loss of bodyfat
i.e.
not that initial dramatic loss of 5-8 lbs of water that everyone gets
so excited about) is a very slow process..  Depending on the actual
amount of fat you want to get rid of, the process could take months,
or possibly even years.


Most important:  Dieting alone is NOT the answer. . you'll only
decrease your metabolism and compound the problem.   Serious long-term
fitness requires the appropriate lifestyle, and is not obtainable by
some "quick fix."  Get smart on nutrition and eat good foods, then come
to enjoy workouts and training as a WAY OF LIFE like so many of us do,
and I guarantee you'll have no problem with bodyfat..  Studies indicate
that such a lifestyle really doesn't extend the human life at all (in
terms of years), however, I firmly believe those years you DO have
you'll enjoy MUCH more than those who run out of breath after climbing
one flight of stairs!

I recall reading an article a few months ago (the name of the publication
escapes me), in which the author, an M.D., said it makes no difference
whether you lift Nautilus, free weights, or "buckets of rocks" as long as
you do it correctly.


The advantage I see in free weights is that you are forced to lift evenly
and develop both sides of your body equally, for example on the bench press.
It is not as easy to do that with Nautilus/Universals.  Another advantage
of free weights is that you can stack on more weight than on many Nautilus
machines (what a stud!).  Disadvantage of free weights:  dropping them on
your foot (ouch!).  Also, as someone else pointed out, Nautilus is better for
developing leg muscles, but I tend to do that by running/biking.

spoke with Flex a few weeks ago at Gold's Gym in Venice.  Yes, it's true
that he had an accident (he was wearing a neck brace when we spoke).  The
good news, however, is that he says he expects to make a complete recovery
and will begin training again in the next few weeks.  So, although this
year's Olympia is out, don't count him out of next year!

[slaveboy1980]

You bored today?? You could have trained your abs instead !!! 

already did 3 sets of cable crunches. 16, 14, 11 reps.

[slaveboy1980]

 just received the Maximum Calves program and the book Secrets of Advanced
Bodybuilders, both from Health for Life (Legendary Abs).  In both these
books, they talk about a 'fatigue/tension threshold' which you must pass
during your weightlifting workout in order to gain muscle mass.  They
say that in order to pass this threshold, you must not rest too long
between sets.  They don't want the muscle to fully recover between sets
so that it will be pushed further toward (or beyond) the threshold as
your workout progresses.

In the January 1994 issue of Muscle & Fitness there is a short article
about Dorian Yates (Mr. Olympia 1993, 1994).  He states that:
"they're [bodybuilders] not resting long enough between sets.  I feel that
this is a mistake in that the body is not able to regenerate enough energy
for the muscle to truly work to failure - which is the point at which real
muscle growth actually starts."


So, of course, now I am confused.  Which theory is correct?  I would tend
to agree with Dorian Yates, being a two-time Mr. Olympia, but then again,
I have had success with the Legendary Abs program from Health For Life, and
they also explain everything very clearly (and it doesn't sound unreasonable).


Here are a few questions for you kinesiologists and exercise physiologists
out there:


1.  Is the fundamental principle of the HFL programs true?  In other words,
    is it true that there is a fatigue/tension threshold level beyond which
    the muscle must be pushed in order to facilitate growth?  And if you
    don't pass this threshold, you don't grow?


2.  Is the important factor PASSING this threshold, or passing AND STAYING
    above this threshold for a certain amount of time?


3.  Is it important to push your fatigue/tension level just up to (or just
    past) the threshold, or is it more beneficial to push your F/T level
    vary far past the threshold (i.e. lift heavier, rest for shorter
    durations between sets and between exercises)?


4.  Yates also says in the article that he does each set to failure, rests
    for up to 5-6 minutes or longer, and does additional sets to failure.
    The HFL does not mention training to failure on each set, but rather
    emphasizes the F/T level threshold principle.  Is this where I am
    getting confused?  Would Yates' advice be different if the bodybuilder
    were NOT lifting to failure on each set?  Would the HFL program be
    different (i.e. longer rest between sets) if the lifter were lifting
    to failure on each set?


4.5  So is it more beneficial to train to failure, or to train in a manner
     such that the F/T threshold is passed?


5.  If you have tried the Maximum Calves and/or Secrets of Adv. Bodybuilders
    programs, please give me your opinion on them.  Did they improve your
    mass gains?

[Zach Trowbridge]

read it and you will understand

I understand that this is about as relevant today as acid wash jeans and Saved by the Bell.

[slaveboy1980]

Why not?  Have you tried it?  I did indeed execute this program for the 6 week
period I suggested (What did you mean by sustained amount of time?  Isn't 6
weeks within the 4 to ten weeks you suggested?) and I did add weight as
described.  Of course, I might have added that you shouldn't start such a
program with your absolute, gut-wrenching highest weight for the first two or
three workouts, but the principal *does* work if you put the effort in.  I
worked up to 315 lbs for 20 reps in that period, (actually I only got 19 on the
first try at 315) and I felt like it nearly killed me.  Actually, it sounds
like *you* haven't tried it.  If you haven't tried it and failed yourself, don't
pretend to be such an expert on its effectiveness or be so quick to doubt
someone else's experience with it.


|> add 10 pounds every week in a 20-rep squat program.  I  have  found  that the
|> body gets used to a particular movement very quickly--somewhere between 4 and
|> 10 weeks.  If you just keep pressing the weight up you will make progress for
|> a while and then stagnate.  Adding weight at that  point just leads to lesser
|> quality in your reps and possibly injury.

bell saved the by

No disagreement here, but the program I suggested is well within these
guidelines, as you'll see if you'll read it again.

[Trev]

already did 3 sets of cable crunches. 16, 14, 11 reps.

Its given you VERBAL DIARRHOEA !!!!!!  

[slaveboy1980]

Its given you VERBAL DIARRHOEA !!!!!!  

vince basile wanted some info on delayed onset muscle soreness.

[Trev]

vince basile wanted some info on delayed onset muscle soreness.

I get it, he trains, feels sore the next day, reads this thread and by the time he's finished soreness is gone and he can train again!! Cool