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Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« on: November 01, 2007, 08:09:02 PM »
It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled  body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best,  sincerely,  Howard in Ga
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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2007, 08:27:01 PM »
LOL< just in case you are wondering, this is not a meltdown, ....repeat NOT a metltdown.
I am just kinda bored and a tad frustarted by the  direction of pro /elite bodybuilding these past 20 years..
Nothing drastic.The pro BB radio show with Chic is pretty cool and I enjoy the expos and many of the get big bunch. Ron and Issac are some quality guys .
It is not mere drug use I am concerned with however. It is the absurd , EXTREME use that makes me shake my head and wonder wtf??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Oh well,  I guess I am old fart now , ready to hit 49 soon. For me Zane was the ultimate Mr O.
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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2007, 08:28:53 PM »
It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled  body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best,  sincerely,  Howard in Ga

Welcome to my world.

Funny thing is, there are those who accuse me of not loving bbing, which couldn't be further from the truth. I just don't care for comp. bbing's current state.
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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2007, 08:37:44 PM »
Is that your brother with you in the picture?

I agree that bodybuilding has turned into something it was NEVER intended to be.  Man seems to never be able to comprehend or deal with his own limitations.  Bodybuilding as it exists today is something that was never intended by it's pioneers.

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2007, 08:42:22 PM »
It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled  body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best,  sincerely,  Howard in Ga
"I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled  body" You know what, that's great, there is nothing wrong with that and you're way ahead of the game plan compared to the way most people live.

That said, whoever said competitive bodybuilding was about health? It's not about health any more then say football, baseball, badminton, or checkers.

Sure, the concepts around BB are based on personal health...this is obvious and is how most anyone should approach it in their everyday life. But what one does to ones own health is irrelevant to the sport...although it may very well be stupid at times. Same can be said for any pro athlete, i.e. baseball player who lives an insane life off the field.

As for the glorified monsters you speak of, I guess it's just a matter of taste. I've said it before, but I have no desire to see the competitive stage full of "health nuts" you know, just in shape guys. Anyone can do this, but it's the "extreme" that separates the average guy from the monster.

As you can guess by now, I'm not a huge Zane fan...sure I can appreciate his accomplishments, but he's way down the list IMO.

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2007, 08:43:04 PM »
Welcome to my world.

Funny thing is, there are those who accuse me of not loving bbing, which couldn't be further from the truth. I just don't care for comp. bbing's current state.
amen brother :D

I could give a rats fuzzy hind end if the sport is 100% drug free or whatever.
I am just sick and tired of the endless glorification of some 300 lb walking pharmacy as the ideal physique, wtf? ???

For me the current guy like Ronnie Rockell, Darrem Charles and Kai Green are the ultimate.
I sincerely respect Jay as a class act and understand why he feels he must carry such mass, but feel his physique should lose to Dexter when I see them both in top shape side by side.
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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2007, 08:44:06 PM »
Is that your brother with you in the picture?

I agree that bodybuilding has turned into something it was NEVER intended to be.  Man seems to never be able to comprehend or deal with his own limitations.  Bodybuilding as it exists today is something that was never intended by it's pioneers.
I disagree. Those guys would have been just like the ones today if they had access to the same things and knowledge that guys have today. After all, what they did at the time was everything within their power to get as big as they did...you can bet your ass they would have done things differently or more extreme if the knowledge had been there...and I'm not just talking about drugs.

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2007, 08:45:06 PM »
Howie go snuggle with the little lady, get away from the computer and when you wake up have a shot of vodka.

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2007, 08:46:57 PM »
"I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled  body" You know what, that's great, there is nothing wrong with that and you're way ahead of the game plan compared to the way most people live.

That said, whoever said competitive bodybuilding was about health? It's not about health any more then say football, baseball, badminton, or checkers.

Sure, the concepts around BB are based on personal health...this is obvious and is how most anyone should approach it in their everyday life. But what one does to ones own health is irrelevant to the sport...although it may very well be stupid at times. Same can be said for any pro athlete, i.e. baseball player who lives an insane life off the field.

As for the glorified monsters you speak of, I guess it's just a matter of taste. I've said it before, but I have no desire to see the competitive stage full of "health nuts" you know, just in shape guys. Anyone can do this, but it's the "extreme" that separates the average guy from the monster.

As you can guess by now, I'm not a huge Zane fan...sure I can appreciate his accomplishments, but he's way down the list IMO.

The over 250 lb mass monsters are not possible without extreme drug use and that ruins the contours and overall line of a classic physique. While getting tanned and contest ripped may not be as healthy as just eating well and working out, I would prefer a show that picked the best overall PHYSIQUE not just the most massive, ripped body.
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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2007, 08:59:09 PM »
Howie go snuggle with the little lady, get away from the computer and when you wake up have a shot of vodka.

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Aaaa the get big or die campaign interview....what a memory  ;D

I didn't do the vodka , but I did eat a bunch of Popeyes chicken and washed it down for the finest Root beer.
Then....I farted and cleared my mind 8)
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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2007, 09:01:38 PM »
Howie go snuggle with the little lady, get away from the computer and when you wake up have a shot of vodka.

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Oh, the Beth is no longer my lady...she esacped  :o

I now have my ex wife chained up and under a heft dose of sedatives locked in the tool shed.
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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2007, 03:41:46 AM »
"I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled  body" You know what, that's great, there is nothing wrong with that and you're way ahead of the game plan compared to the way most people live.

That said, whoever said competitive bodybuilding was about health? It's not about health any more then say football, baseball, badminton, or checkers.

Sure, the concepts around BB are based on personal health...this is obvious and is how most anyone should approach it in their everyday life. But what one does to ones own health is irrelevant to the sport...although it may very well be stupid at times. Same can be said for any pro athlete, i.e. baseball player who lives an insane life off the field.

As for the glorified monsters you speak of, I guess it's just a matter of taste. I've said it before, but I have no desire to see the competitive stage full of "health nuts" you know, just in shape guys. Anyone can do this, but it's the "extreme" that separates the average guy from the monster.

As you can guess by now, I'm not a huge Zane fan...sure I can appreciate his accomplishments, but he's way down the list IMO.

Hmm gee, it's called bodybuilding the name itself implies a healthy lifestyle. Building means making something better, not kidney failure.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/building

hmm nope, can't find it on the list
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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2007, 04:23:24 AM »
Good post Howie!

I feel the same way. Training is fun and eating good and healthy is also.
My fascination for the the sport no longer exist. It's all about drugs, the sport
is based on drugs. Whitout AAS. GH and insulin there would be
no pro bodybuilding. The weiders managed to fool many people for a long
time, especially young kids. But today it's out in the open.
And the environment around pro bodybuilding is semi criminal,
drug dealers etc.

It would be interesting to hear Ron, Chic and more of getbig insiders to
comment on this

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2007, 04:27:22 AM »
For me Zane was the ultimate Mr O.

You like the 'swimmer look', eh?

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2007, 04:35:03 AM »
Good post Howie!

I feel the same way. Training is fun and eating good and healthy is also.
My fascination for the the sport no longer exist. It's all about drugs, the sport
is based on drugs. Whitout AAS. GH and insulin there would be
no pro bodybuilding. The weiders managed to fool many people for a long
time, especially young kids. But today it's out in the open.
And the environment around pro bodybuilding is semi criminal,
drug dealers etc.

It would be interesting to hear Ron, Chic and more of getbig insiders to
comment on this

Yeah very true, when i first started i looked up to these pro physiques but now i know its all drugs i feel better about training as a natural.

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2007, 04:47:40 AM »
It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled  body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best,  sincerely,  Howard in Ga
i AGREE WITH U HOWIE . 100% . ANNIE LOOKS GORGEOUS THERE.

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2007, 05:02:50 AM »
Howie, if bbing was easy, everyone would have the 'perfect physique' by a bb-fan perspective. but it's not. people spend years trying to increase this or balance that. it doesnt just happen. some people do purposely try and inflate certain bodyparts over others and sometimes it works. other times it looks like a mess. but that's life, and that's why there are good and 'bad' bbers.

Those guys would have been just like the ones today if they had access to the same things and knowledge that guys have today.

agreed. look at sergio oliva, arnie, lou. all mass monsters of the era.

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2007, 05:27:52 AM »
I disagree. Those guys would have been just like the ones today if they had access to the same things and knowledge that guys have today. After all, what they did at the time was everything within their power to get as big as they did...you can bet your ass they would have done things differently or more extreme if the knowledge had been there...and I'm not just talking about drugs.

Yep.  :-\

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2007, 05:36:41 AM »
It makes me sad that the sport of "physical culture" has become an obssessed drug filled quest to build a distorted physique. A culture where massive, freakish muscle size rules the day while health and good sense are out the window.
I love working out , eating good food, running and building a healthy well muscled  body. Sorry gang, but I can no longer support the extreme use of BB drugs, the physiques they create and those that glorify it.
Enough is enough, I know when to retreat. To each his own. Thanks for some fun .
All the best,  sincerely,  Howard in Ga
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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2007, 06:22:17 AM »
Howie usually makes a lot of sense, but this time Arnold jr makes more. 

It’s easy to romanticize the good old days when you were young and bodybuilding was somehow more legitimate.  The truth is the ‘good old days’ never were.  The sport was just as troubled and the physiques just as distorted then as they are now.  With few exceptions the champions back then were just as extreme as the champions of today and their physiques were considered just as freakish.

Sure, we have better drug cocktails today, but the sport has not really changed.  What has changed is you

You are older, wiser, and have a more subtle view of life that takes you beyond the narrow view of bodybuilding than you had at, say, 20.  When you were more simple minded, you were more likely to justify your interest in bodybuilding by thinking of it in terms of health and fitness (a myth promulgated by BB magazines) but now that you are older, you can see that BB and health really have nothing to do with each other.  BB is about vanity, health and wellness is not.  There are lots of body-minded people who are interested in health who are not interested in cosmetic muscles: dancers, yoga, runners, gymnasts, etc.

As Maxx comically underscores, it is ironic that Howie paired his gone-off-a-cliff rhetoric with a photo of an artificially (drugged up) female bodybuilder.  :-\

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2007, 06:26:44 AM »
Howie are you saying goodbye to bodybuilding or getbig.com?.

Getbig.com is the only force that is doing some good in bodybuilding, why not stick around and support the board. It doesnt make sense to just abandon the whole ship...There is a saying "dont throw out the baby with the bathwater".

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2007, 06:38:59 AM »
Howie is correct in every sense, I'm doing this final show for some self-satisfaction not for the love of BBing. Living the healthy non-competitive BBing lifestyle (not the lifestyle that those moral degerates at MD display) is great as long as the BBing "healthy" lifestyle is done how it was originally supposed to be, strong physical presents, healthy eating habits, strength, vigor and general health. I have been approached to possibly write some articals on mid-aged health and the benfits of fitness for people my age. I may take them up on that.

The only thing that I disagree with Howie is that "bodybuilding is not a sport" and as hard as it is (and I'm feeling right now) I will always maintain that.

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2007, 07:43:44 AM »
Howie usually makes a lot of sense, but this time Arnold jr makes more. 

It’s easy to romanticize the good old days when you were young and bodybuilding was somehow more legitimate.  The truth is the ‘good old days’ never were.  The sport was just as troubled and the physiques just as distorted then as they are now.  With few exceptions the champions back then were just as extreme as the champions of today and their physiques were considered just as freakish.

Sure, we have better drug cocktails today, but the sport has not really changed.  What has changed is you

You are older, wiser, and have a more subtle view of life that takes you beyond the narrow view of bodybuilding than you had at, say, 20.  When you were more simple minded, you were more likely to justify your interest in bodybuilding by thinking of it in terms of health and fitness (a myth promulgated by BB magazines) but now that you are older, you can see that BB and health really have nothing to do with each other.  BB is about vanity, health and wellness is not.  There are lots of body-minded people who are interested in health who are not interested in cosmetic muscles: dancers, yoga, runners, gymnasts, etc.

As Maxx comically underscores, it is ironic that Howie paired his gone-off-a-cliff rhetoric with a photo of an artificially (drugged up) female bodybuilder.  :-\


  This is dead on.  I'm pretty sure the old timers would have done what it took to get the job done back then just like the guys are doing now-they are using the what the forefront of modern technology has to offer to achieve their goals-most of which have more to do with being better than the guy next to them than just the best they can be.  Anyway, I think people really don't know what can be done with a natural physique now and won't until the drug usage dies down dramatically.  I think there is a lot of possibility for natural bbers; even to get way bigger than we currently think they can. 

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2007, 07:56:38 AM »
not so sure about that...I mean why didnt they just do mega doses of test and deca and dball...They didnt'  so it seems like they had some aesthetic in mind and decided to stick to it rather than just pop more pills.

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Re: Has bodybuilding gone off the cliff as sport and lifestyle?
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