AAS = Lose fat AND gain muscle?

[Audioslave]

This has been hotly debated; some say no matter how much AAS, you have to have a caloric surplus to add mass, and a deficit to burn fat. Others say you can do both quite well when on AAS. From those who have tried, what's your experience? Can you really do both at the same time? If so, what drugs did you use, doses, past cycles, and how long was this run?

[Brutal_1]

This has been hotly debated; some say no matter how much AAS, you have to have a caloric surplus to add mass, and a deficit to burn fat. Others say you can do both quite well when on AAS. From those who have tried, what's your experience? Can you really do both at the same time? If so, what drugs did you use, doses, past cycles, and how long was this run?

I agree with the "some" that say it's worthless...and to prove it, I believe Ronnie went natural one year, he won the 2004 Olympia natural and nobody could tell the difference 

Steroids are all placebo!  Stick to muscletech and you'll be winning Mr.O's in no time! 

[Necrosis]

correct and false at the same time

[Audioslave]

correct and false at the same time

Wow. I'm so enriched now I just don't even know what to do with this newfound wealth of knowledge.

[haider]

Wow. I'm so enriched now I just don't even know what to do with this newfound wealth of knowledge.

maybe if he took out whatever he is smoking from his mouth he could contribute something worthwhile...

[akers1021]

I agree with the "some" that say it's worthless...and to prove it, I believe Ronnie went natural one year, he won the 2004 Olympia natural and nobody could tell the difference 

Steroids are all placebo!  Stick to muscletech and you'll be winning Mr.O's in no time! 

A Mr. o's "Natural" stack....

2-4 IU's GH/IGf
500mg Test ( cyp, Eth.,Sust, whatever)
300 Deca
20-3omg dbol

Thats about 1/4 the normal SEASON dose  

[Audioslave]

So basically no one here has used AAS and dropped bodyfat and gained muscle at the same time? Gotcha

[G o a t b o y]

I believe AAS is normally used for maintaining muscle while dropping fat. When a natural cuts down to very low body fat levels, a lot of muscle goes with it. Not so much with AAS.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you still need a calorie surplus to gain muscle.

[Van_Bilderass]

I believe AAS is normally used for maintaining muscle while dropping fat. When a natural cuts down to very low body fat levels, a lot of muscle goes with it. Not so much with AAS.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you still need a calorie surplus to gain muscle.

Yeah I think you're right. What could confuse the issue is that the steroids make you retain water which shows up as LBM. Also, not everyone who diets is hypocaloric the whole time. If they employ re-feed days they can put on muscle even if on a "diet".

[Knives]

I believe AAS is normally used for maintaining muscle while dropping fat. When a natural cuts down to very low body fat levels, a lot of muscle goes with it. Not so much with AAS.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you still need a calorie surplus to gain muscle.

What about a guy like mesmorph78 who has gained a whole lot of muscle eating only 2 meals a day?

[BEAST 8692]

aas + training = more muscle

more muscle = energy deficit

energy deficit = faster metabolism

faster metabolism = more calories burned

more calories burned = greater fat loss

[Bast000]

What about a guy like mesmorph78 who has gained a whole lot of muscle eating only 2 meals a day?

he eats enough in those meals

[Bobby]

he eats enough in those meals

Seems hard to eat over 3000 calories in 2 meals. 1500-1800kcal in one meal, that's ALOT.

[SquatAss]

What about a guy like mesmorph78 who has gained a whole lot of muscle eating only 2 meals a day?

Some can live of the light the sun so gloriously shines on us all.

[Bast000]

Seems hard to eat over 3000 calories in 2 meals. 1500-1800kcal in one meal, that's ALOT.

not really, and he may not even need that much.  he said he eats jamaican food.  i don't know what that is, but it's probably not 'clean'.

[mesmorph78]

jamaican food isnt different to anyother food as such

yams dumplings.. rice and peas which is made with cocunut milk
.. chicken kentucky style... fried fish... cooked down with onions tomatoes sweet peppers
salad.. stuff like that

[The Squadfather]

jamaican food isnt different to anyother food as such

yams dumplings.. rice and peas which is made with cocunut milk
.. chicken kentucky style... fried fish... cooked down with onions tomatoes sweet peppers
salad.. stuff like that

damn that sounds good.

[Bast000]

jamaican food isnt different to anyother food as such

yams dumplings.. rice and peas which is made with cocunut milk
.. chicken kentucky style... fried fish... cooked down with onions tomatoes sweet peppers
salad.. stuff like that

what is your estimation of calories you get a day?

[The Squadfather]

check out some of this stuff, sounds incredible, BOOOOOOOMMMM

http://www.islandflave.com/recipes/jamaica.html

[Rearden Metal]

It's the composition of the muscle that changes, which leads people to believe there's been a loss of fat as well as a gain in muscle. Basically, water infuses the cells and with good steroids the water is pushed into the muscle, not the skin.

That's why users often have round, full muscles, which look leaner than flatter muscles exhibited by true nattys.

[Rearden Metal]

damn that sounds good.

Yeah it does. Yo, I just made some breakfast sandwiches with thick cut honey bacon, organic swiss, omega 3 eggs & crushed walnut & honey English muffins.

yessssssssssssssss...... .....

[Necrosis]

maybe if he took out whatever he is smoking from his mouth he could contribute something worthwhile...

 

[The Squadfather]

Yeah it does. Yo, I just made some breakfast sandwiches with thick cut honey bacon, organic swiss, omega 3 eggs & crushed walnut & honey English muffins.

yessssssssssssssss...... .....

FUUUUUCCCCK, that sounds good, we drove an hour last night to eat at a home style cookin' log cabin restaurant in southern Illinois, awesome stuff, fried chicken, mashed potatoes, corn, bread baked in a flower pot, chicken 'n dumplins, fresh apple cobbler, awesome stuff.

[mesmorph78]

what is your estimation of calories you get a day?

dude i have no idea.. to be honest i have a vague idea of what calories are...
i am that vague on the nutritionion front types of foods i know like what food gives u carbs.. and what gives u protein... thats as far as it goes for me..
i just eat whatever i feel in the mood for..

@ squad yep jamaican food is damn nice believe me.. recommend it to anyone

[Bast000]

jamaican seems like a combination of mexican and Louisiana type food.