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do we complicate things too much?
« on: November 04, 2007, 03:39:01 PM »
read this:

http://www.asep.org/files/OttoV4.pdf


interesting article.



• Select a mode of exercise that feels comfortable throughout the range of motion. There is very little
evidence to support the superiority of free weights or machines for increasing muscular strength,
hypertrophy, power, or endurance.
• Choose a repetition duration that will ensure the maintenance of consistent form throughout the set.
One study showed a greater strength benefit from a shorter duration (2s/4s) and one study showed better
strength gains as a result of a longer duration (10s/4s), but no study using conventional exercise equipment
reports any significant difference in muscular hypertrophy, power, or endurance as a result of
manipulating repetition duration.
• Choose a range of repetitions between three and 15 (e.g., 3-5, 6-8, 8-10, etc.). There is very little
evidence to suggest that a specific range of repetitions (e.g., 3-5 versus 8-10) or time-under-load (e.g., 30s
versus 90s) significantly impacts the increase in muscular strength, hypertrophy, power, or endurance.
• Perform one set of each exercise. The preponderance of resistance-training studies shows no difference
in the gains in muscular strength, hypertrophy, power, or endurance as a result of performing a greater
number of sets.
• After performing a combination of concentric and eccentric muscle actions, terminate each exercise
at the point where the concentric phase of the exercise is becoming difficult, if not impossible, while
maintaining good form. There is very little evidence to suggest that going beyond this level of intensity
(e.g., supramaximal or accentuated eccentric muscle actions) will further enhance muscular strength,
hypertrophy, power, or endurance.
• Allow enough time between exercises to perform the next exercise in proper form. There is very little
evidence to suggest that different rest periods between sets or exercises will significantly affect the gains in
muscular strength, hypertrophy, power, or endurance.
• Depending on individual recovery and response, choose a frequency of 2-3 times/week to stimulate
each targeted muscle group. One session a week has been shown to be just as effective as 2-3
times/week for some muscle groups. There is very little evidence to suggest that training a muscle more
than 2-3 times/week or that split routines will produce greater gains in muscular strength, hypertrophy,
power, or endurance.

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dont agree with everything, but i agree that many things are unecessarily made more complicated than they should be.

the perform one set per exercise thing, shouldnt be misunderstood tho..as there is scientific evidence showing that 3 sets for a muscle group is better than one, but for example 15 sets doesnt give additional benefits (compared to 3 sets) when it comes to acute musclegrowth. (muslegrowth straight after a training session).

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2007, 04:02:53 PM »
Most bodyparts are easy to train, they'll get better on anything.  Its the ones that lag that you've got to get all experimental on.

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2007, 04:04:53 PM »
I agree, work out 2-3 times a week, split routine or not, eat healthy and take some extra proteins. The basics are good for 90% of the progress, tha last 10% is a lot of effort for minimal extra gains.

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2007, 04:07:50 PM »
Most bodyparts are easy to train, they'll get better on anything.  Its the ones that lag that you've got to get all experimental on.

i think genetics dictates response to training more than some people want to acknowledge.

training is pretty uncomplicated, some will get shitty results whatever training routine they use. alot of guys do too much unecessary shit that dont work.

steroids have fucked up alot as they allow you to get away with alot of mistakes.
= people dont know what kind of training is most beneficial for naturals.

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2007, 04:22:56 PM »
Yes we do over complicate things. Half the problem is people still believe that if the do the back workout that Ronnie did, it will work for them. Or do Branch's quad workout, we are guaranteed to see results. Training 3 times a week or so (for a natty) and eating clean foods is all we need to see some results. It really isn't that hard to get results.
No doubt about it...

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2007, 04:32:36 PM »
Yes we do over complicate things. Half the problem is people still believe that if the do the back workout that Ronnie did, it will work for them. Or do Branch's quad workout, we are guaranteed to see results. Training 3 times a week or so (for a natty) and eating clean foods is all we need to see some results. It really isn't that hard to get results.

to be honest, im thinking that if your training 3 (maybe 4) times a week doing the basics and your in a positive caloric state and ingesting 1 g protein/lbs bw/day etc etc...your basically doing EVERYTHING you can to grow. (as a natural)

i dont think its a question of some results..im thinking its everything you can do, and you just have to give it years of consistant training.

i see many guys saying yeah 3 days a week is for newbies etc...but i think for a natural, its all you will EVER need. (even for so called advanced bodybuilders....altho i dont like the term advanced bodybuilder..but thats another discussion)

there is no need to pour more water into a glass that is already full....

why waste your time doing more than you have to?  the answer is that many people are obsessed and try to do more for faster results, without realizing that building muscle is a slow process and your not gonna gain more than maybe at most 3lbs of muscle per year (after your initial year training)

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2007, 04:39:15 PM »
no we dont complicate things enough. only morons need to simplify stuff in life. and because of it, they will remain morons.

hope this helps.
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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2007, 04:41:35 PM »
no we dont complicate things enough. only morons need to simplify stuff in life. and because of it, they will remain morons.

hope this helps.

nope the smart guys are the ones who make the complicated simple.

the geniuses are those who can take apart a complex problem, simplify it and then put together a solution. (than can be complex...or simple)

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2007, 04:56:25 PM »
nope the smart guys are the ones who make the complicated simple.

the geniuses are those who can take apart a complex problem, simplify it and then put together a solution. (than can be complex...or simple)

simple minds
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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2007, 04:58:14 PM »
simple minds


think like you .  ;)

those who know how to unravel complexity understand that simplicity is a necessary step in the process.

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2007, 05:05:55 PM »
simple minds


Don't you forget about me.

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2007, 05:07:16 PM »
think like you .  ;)

those who know how to unravel complexity understand that simplicity is a necessary step in the process.

bla bla you got 5000+ posts and the only thing you post whether it be training or nutrition is "keep it simple"

why even be here then? go on with your 3 times a week training and 3 meals a day plan

but at least you dont post bout girls pissing on your face anymore, so i guess that's a plus
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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2007, 05:14:00 PM »
simple works just do the motions and thats qabout it

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2007, 05:15:08 PM »
bla bla you got 5000+ posts and the only thing you post whether it be training or nutrition is "keep it simple"

why even be here then? go on with your 3 times a week training and 3 meals a day plan

but at least you dont post bout girls pissing on your face anymore, so i guess that's a plus

haha coming from a guy who obsessively counts his posts and starts thread after thread with stuff like would you eat a hamburger or a toe?

epic pot calling the kettle black  ;D

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2007, 05:16:13 PM »
I have over 1500 posts.

All pure gold.

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2007, 05:17:58 PM »
haha coming from a guy who obsessively counts his posts and starts thread after thread with stuff like would you eat a hamburger or a toe?

epic pot calling the kettle black  ;D

didnt get that. maybe you got a problem with the english language

nevertheless, you come here where the point is deeper discussions but you want to keep it simple and rather not discuss.
sounds like you're outta place

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2007, 05:22:41 PM »
didnt get that. maybe you got a problem with the english language

nevertheless, you come here where the point is deeper discussions but you want to keep it simple and rather not discuss.
sounds like you're outta place



google it.

yeah getbig is really known for its deeper discussions   ;D

and your def contributing in this thread...i bet you havent even read the article im linking too. read it and come back and you can have your deeper discussion. 

or are you too simple minded?

and thanks for bumping!

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2007, 05:24:24 PM »
maybe if you found out how to post on the right board people would actually read it
but thats apparantely too complicated for you

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2007, 05:27:00 PM »

yeah getbig is really known for its deeper discussions   ;D


ROFL!

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2007, 05:27:28 PM »
maybe if you found out how to post on the right board people would actually read it
but thats apparantely too complicated for you



so why dont you move the thread then?   :D

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2007, 05:35:10 PM »
maybe if you found out how to post on the right board people would actually read it
but thats apparantely too complicated for you



a lot more people will read it on this board, idiot.

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2007, 05:38:12 PM »
Hah Bluto, you really are proud of your post count aren't you.. ::)

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2007, 05:39:31 PM »
The ASCM has very in depth studies on training, yes, everything is over complicated, my regular training protocol (before I decided to do this show) was 2-3 times per week training more functional than compound, recruiting as many motor units in one exercise as possible, example might me training chest, back and legs in giant set protocol using mostly functional type exercises, on the off weight training days, are conditioning, skills or GPP.

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2007, 05:45:22 PM »
time and consistency is key

I honestly think that if you go to the gym consistently 3-4 times a week, move progressive weights for 10+ years you'll have a very respectable physique. 

Most people who don't see any results go hardcore for a few months, and then quit, and then start again after 3-4 months, and the cycle continues until they look like they did the first few months they started training.

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Re: do we complicate things too much?
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2007, 10:59:52 PM »

Most people who don't see any results start taking boatloads of steroids and become professional bodybuilders.

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