Looking for your expert opinion

[ONDEZNTS]

I have a friend that competes as a body builder thats swears to me the only things you need to for a cycle is 250mg of some good test a week. Sounds like bull shit to me, but he is a pretty big guy so I almost have have to assume he knows what he's talking about. Another thing that made me think it's bullshit and make me want your opinion was that he said doing that little you can run that way for up to 8 months. Basically he's saying it's better to do alittle bit for a long time rather then alot for a 12 week cycle. I have never seen or read anything supporting his therory either. What do you think 

[chixlegs]

Well, I am not an expert but in Anabolics 2006 William Llewellyn writes about using 200 or so mg's of test per week as a starting point.  250 mg's per week is definitely a small dosage, but you WILL see some results, contrary to what many of the guys on this board will say.  If you haven't juiced much, it'll give you a bump, but not that much of one. 

However using anything for 8 straight months is foolhardy in my opinion.  No way.  Do it for 3 or 4 months and see what kind of results you get.  Then give your body a break, make a determination if you want to up the amount next cycle.  8 months straight in not a good idea.  That's just my opinion, of course.  Good luck.

[Overload]

it's a waste of time unless you are over 40 years old IMO.

500mg a week is the bare minimum i would ever run for a cycle.

my first test only cycle was 500mg sust per week and i made some good gains but nothing spectacular.

[Arnold jr]

How good of a friend is he? Someone you just know from the gym or a true friend? A competitor you just know from the gym is not going to be straight with you in most cases.

As for what he said, you can make progress on that plan of his, the extent will rely largely on you as is always the case, i.e discipline and genetics. Example, a friend of mine who is competing at Nationals next wk end never round more then 500mg/wk/test and even less when in prep, he stays on year round...but he does use other things in conjuncture.

As for expert opinion, you'll find plenty of "experts" here, lol!

[trab]

Dat Guy is either tryin to keep you from mega dosing, or responds very very well.
Frankly if he's outstanding lookin and doing that, he should train natural, because after several weeks
its not that much different.

I dont even like to strech to a week for a 250mg TE shot for HRT. Every 5th day is better. Less spikes.

400-500mgTE + 200 Deca is a minimal to make it worth the trouble. The 250 shuts you down JUST AS HARD!

[on one]

i agree with arnold some older guy in the gym just brought juice up out of the blue and said he did one cc of deca a week and one cc of test a week i asked how thats not enough.. i think he was tripping because he competes and he told me before that he has taken aaround a gram of test a week alot of deca hgh and insulin.. conclusion people lie about how much juice they take and how long kinda stupid but it is what it is...howver i do know one guy around 25 who claimed to have take around one cc of each and he did get larger but he also could be telling stories

[trab]

One cc of 400mg Test and one cc of Deca will prolly work for a 1st time.

Some guys gain off a little stan or var. But Why risk shutdown for no gains though?

If you were very affraid you might try var (REAL VAR) only for a few weeks.
I'd bet they be looking for Testo and deca in no time after taht. 

[DragonRider]

I have a friend that competes as a body builder thats swears to me the only things you need to for a cycle is 250mg of some good test a week.  What do you think 

Most competative BB's are doing 250 to 300mg per day. Maybe you misunderstood him. J/K

it's a waste of time unless you are over 40 years old IMO.

500mg a week is the bare minimum i would ever run for a cycle.

my first test only cycle was 500mg sust per week and i made some good gains but nothing spectacular.

Based on my experience, I would have to agree with you. My first cycle was also 500mg sust and I could not tell I was on anything.

[local hero]

my experience is not to beleive what anyone tells you.... one lad i know very well always spouts off how he only takes so much, he'l even show u his diary,,,, then you speak to one lad who gives him his shots one day,,,then another lad that the 1st doesnt know about gives him his shots the other day, theres probly even a 3rd and 4th jab man... so thats his tiny dose at least tripled

when it comes to gear i like to be able to feel it working for my moneys worth, 1st time user might feel it at that low dose...i sertainly wouldnt, and dont run anything under a gram

[krazee]

my experience is not to beleive what anyone tells you.... one lad i know very well always spouts off how he only takes so much, he'l even show u his diary,,,, then you speak to one lad who gives him his shots one day,,,then another lad that the 1st doesnt know about gives him his shots the other day, theres probly even a 3rd and 4th jab man... so thats his tiny dose at least tripled

when it comes to gear i like to be able to feel it working for my moneys worth, 1st time user might feel it at that low dose...i sertainly wouldnt, and dont run anything under a gram

Dude are you for real, nothing under a gram.... But to each his own I suppose... are you a competitor or are you on your way there? Not a flame just curious.

[trab]

I recall hes pretty good shape and ripped on stage.

[krazee]

I recall hes pretty good shape and ripped on stage.

Oh no, I don't doubt it, just seems high. But then again..the cycles most pros do are borderline retarded.

[on one]

damn 500mgs od sus a week and you couldnt tell you were on anything at all . that sounds fake...people i know have taken just dbol had have gotten huge even though everyone on here says that it wont work it did not saying i would do it i personally dont want to take orals unless i could get some good winn or anavar pref anavar

[DigitalLou]

listen 750mgs of test a week minimum and never come off

[clayton green]

I am 46 and have been on my first cycle for 7 months, I know I should I went off quite a while ago.  I  am down to 500mg of test and am thinkng of either going off or  just staying on 500mg of test a week until next year.  The only other thing I  am taking is 50-100 mg of proviron.  I know I  should come off but it is  like addicted to cigarettes, alcohol, etc.  Any thoughts?

[local hero]

i never thought 1000mg was such a high dose, its very low in the circles i mix in.... im over 270 off season, cant see 500mg touching the sides anymore., and if your taking 750 u might as well top it up to 1000..thats just my way of thinking of course

[trab]

I am 46 and have been on my first cycle for 7 months, I know I should I went off quite a while ago.  I  am down to 500mg of test and am thinkng of either going off or  just staying on 500mg of test a week until next year.  The only other thing I  am taking is 50-100 mg of proviron.  I know I  should come off but it is  like addicted to cigarettes, alcohol, etc.  Any thoughts?

I personally dont see it like cigs etc. Its not a immediate gratification/reinforcement type thing.

I really had no big deal just dropping over a year on, I just bring dose down to 200mg or so first for a month. You wont crash on that little.
Problem is knowing what your relly on and dose with UG.
I'd say HRT & USA inspeced pharma is a option, or even your General practice Dr will help or refer to endocrinologist for gettin back on a even keel.  But "Watchfull Waiting" and Heavy Billing is often their SOP.

[DragonRider]

I am 46 and have been on my first cycle for 7 months, I know I should I went off quite a while ago.  I  am down to 500mg of test and am thinkng of either going off or  just staying on 500mg of test a week until next year.  The only other thing I  am taking is 50-100 mg of proviron.  I know I  should come off but it is  like addicted to cigarettes, alcohol, etc.  Any thoughts?

I know I  should come off,

Why?

I you don't want to come off, I would recommend cruising at 200mg a week for 8 weeks. Then you bump it back up to your cycle amount for 8 weeks then back down to 200mg for 8 weeks. You could do this indefinately.

If you really want to come of, just follow a standard PCT. 7 months isn't that long.

[clayton green]

Most people say you go on  for  about 20-24 weeks and come off but the fact is I  like being bigger and stronger at my age. My Bloop pressure has gone up some and I have  not had any blood  work.  I know the cholesterol is going to be up the liver should be ok becuase I don't drink and never had  a problem in the past with levels.  I was on as much as 1800mg, I know it was a lot for a first timer and have gradually reduced down to 500mg every 7 days.

I know I will get some flack on this but I have been fighting hair loss for about 20 years and my wife and I recently noticed some generalized thinning on the vertex are and in the front, which I never had befoer, only slight recession.   I used proscar, nizoral shampoo, spirolaction, minoxidil and other products from respectable dr's in the field, Dr. Proctor and Dr. Lee.

On one side  I  like being big but on the other  side I like my hair.  I know most will say pick one but I want both. Other's will say just shave it.  That is easy for some but not for me, perhaps I am vain and want both.

Anyway thanks for the advice!!  I guess I will figure it out because my next inject is due tomorrow, either I will take it or go off cold turkey!

[DragonRider]

I know I will get some flack on this but I have been fighting hair loss for about 20 years and my wife and I recently noticed some generalized thinning on the vertex area and in the front, which I never had before, only slight recession.   I used proscar, nizoral shampoo, spirolaction, minoxidil and other products from respectable dr's in the field, Dr. Proctor and Dr. Lee.

On one side  I  like being big but on the other  side I like my hair.  I know most will say pick one but I want both. Other's will say just shave it.  That is easy for some but not for me, perhaps I am vain and want both.

Shaving it isn't an option for everyone. I'm tired of those who bash people who don't want to lose their hair as if the only reason is you are vain or insecure. Some people just don't look good bald. They may not have the right head shape. Some people look gay or as if they are fighting a life threatening disease. And, some people have roles of fat on their head that make them look like a sharpee.
Are there specific compounds which agrivate it, or is the reaction the same with any steroid?
How long did you use the proscar? It takes up to 6 months to see the results with that.

[Tapeworm]

DHT is a prime culprit in balding.  Finisteride blocks one of the T conversion pathways but has been linked to limp dick.  Plain 'ol Saw Palmetto is an effective DHT blocker according to studies I've read.

[clayton green]

I have been on proscar 2.5 mg since 1994 as well as minoxidil, nizoral shampoo.  I  have also been on several products by Dr. Proctor and  most recently by Dr. Lee.   I am hoping if I  stay at a lower dose of test that I will be  able to keep my hair and still have some size.