Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??

[Hulkster]

sergio's were WAY too big for his torso, at least at certain points in his career..

but of course ND will deny this until death, and claim that Ronnie's are..

just compare:

ronnie's arms are well balanced compared to his back/torso

on the other hand, sergios look like they belong on a 320 pounder..

[tu_holmes]

sergio's were WAY too big for his torso, at least at certain points in his career..

but of course ND will deny this until death, and claim that Ronnie's are..

just compare:

ronnie's arms are well balanced compared to his back/torso

on the other hand, sergios look like they belong on a 320 pounder..

I myself will disagree with that statement... personally, I've never thought your arms could be too big.

I've never seen anyone with arms I thought were TOO big (at least not a bodybuilder)

I think Sergio's arm / torso ratio is just about perfect.

[webcake]

lol, do we really need another comparison thread??

Already up to 11 pages.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND,

You have said I think; that Ronnie's arms were too big for
his torso. Do you not think that Sergio's arms are in proportion
to his back which is part of the torso?

In that PARTICULAR pose yes from all angles NO

[NarcissisticDeity]

sergio's were WAY too big for his torso, at least at certain points in his career..

but of course ND will deny this until death, and claim that Ronnie's are..

just compare:

ronnie's arms are well balanced compared to his back/torso

on the other hand, sergios look like they belong on a 320 pounder..

In that particular pose in that particular angle sure but NOT in all poses  you have to look at the big picture and NOT base your opinion on a single pic or angle .....oppps you should know this being Mr Knowledgeable lol

[suckmymuscle]

but that assumes the following:

1. that sergio could get as cut and detailed as ronnie
2. that serigo could get as vascular as ronnie


we don't really know how segio would look super cut, dry and vascular like Ronnie..

thats the problem.

you can't base everything simply on genetics. Just ask Flex Wheeler.

  Hulkster, the shape of the bones and the point where the muscles insert in the tendom don't change as you get bigger. We know that if Oliva took the amount and kinds of drugs that pro bodybuilders take nowadays, he would be much bigger with exactly the same structure and long muscle bellies. Hw sould be as big as Coleman, only with a superior structure and with less muscle bellies inserting high in the tendom. A 260 lbs Sergio would destroy Ronnie.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

  Hulkster, the shape of the bones and the point where the muscles insert in the tendom don't change as you get bigger. We know that if Oliva took the amount and kinds of drugs that pro bodybuilders take nowadays, he would be much bigger with exactly the same structure and long muscle bellies. Hw sould be as big as Coleman, only with a superior structure and with less muscle bellies inserting high in the tendom. A 260 lbs Sergio would destroy Ronnie.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

all this talk about a tiny waist, wide lats and flaring quads of sergio seems to imply that Ronnie was lacking in this area..:

he was just as good as Sergio at certain points in his career:

[Hulkster]

now THAT is a shoulder to waist differential..and a crazy ass quad sweep to boot..

[bizzy]

Some Sergio pics I have..
Some are rare and some may be reposts
from this thread.

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[suckmymuscle]

  Quote from Mike Mentzer, Heavy Duty I:

  "All bodybuilders, even top pros, have some genetic flaws. Bodybuilding potential is primarilly related to two things, structure and muscle belly lengh. An ideal bodybuilding structure is characterized by wide clavicles, narrow hips, torso and leg lengh being proportional and by relatively small joints, which add to the impression os size. Muscle belly lengh is determined by where the muscle attaches in the tendom. The lower the muscle attaches in the tendom, the more mass potential the muscle has and the more aesthetic it is. The only exception to the rule that all bodybuilders have some genetic flaws is Sergio Oliva: not only does he have have a perfect structure, but each and every single muscle belly in his body is long."[/u] 

  Pay close attention to these words, Hulkster. Noy only was Mentzer a borderline genius, but he knew more about bodybuilding than you could learn in ten lifetimes.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

problem is, sergio's biceps length was too long. it worked against him:

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Quote from Mike Mentzer, Heavy Duty I:

  "All bodybuilders, even top pros, have some genetic flaws. Bodybuilding potential is primarilly related to two things, structure and muscle belly lengh. An ideal bodybuilding structure is characterized by wide clavicles, narrow hips, torso and leg lengh being proportional and by relatively small joints, which add to the impression os size. Muscle belly lengh is determined by where the muscle attaches in the tendom. The lower the muscle attaches in the tendom, the more mass potential the muscle has and the more aesthetic it is. The only exception to the rule that all bodybuilders have some genetic flaws is Sergio Oliva: not only does he have have a perfect structure, but each and every single muscle belly in his body is long."[/u] 

  Pay close attention to these words, Hulkster. Noy only was Mentzer a borderline genius, but he knew more about bodybuilding than you could learn in ten lifetimes.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

One Great post ! I mean its common knowledge Sergio's genetics are among the best ever , Hulkster need anymore ownings?

[NarcissisticDeity]

problem is, sergio's biceps length was too long. it worked against him:

At the beginning of the thread it was how Ronnie & Sergio were so alike and to quote your ignorant statement they both have amazingly long full muscle bellies , now Sergio's is too long lol and again why do you insist on posting pictures of guys at obviously not their best it only shows your fear and ignorance , you bitch and complain when people do it about Ronnie and then go right ahead and to it every single time without fail , hypocrite never heard that before huh? 

[bizzy]

I don't think Sergio could ever be as good as Ronnie
was even with todays chemicals and I'll give you my reasons:
1. Although Sergio looked wide in some shots such as a front lat spread
his clavicles were not nearly as wide as Ronnie's. He had HUGE shoulder muscles
but not wide clavicles. This is very noticeable in relaxed and semi-relaxed pictures.
The same can't be said for Ronnie

[bizzy]

When Sergio's most muscular is not taken at an angle
he is thick but once again the lack of width is apparent.

[bizzy]

As we all know Mr. Olympias from 1983 on were won
from the back. Sergio never had the clavicle width
to develop lats that would ever equal Ronnie's. It is apparent
in every picture that is not taken from some upward angle.
Every straight on shot it is very apparent.

[bizzy]

Although Sergio is wider than Bertil Fox; Sergio would
have the same problem competing against Ronnie as Fox
did against Haney. (I'm talking as if Sergio had access to todays
drugs and technology.) I have seen Bertil and Haney both in person
on stage. Alone, Bertil was the most impressive. His arms were as big
as his head. When you put them side by side Haney's wider structure
blew Fox away. Sergio competed against Fox and although Sergio was wider than
Fox it was not a huge difference. If Sergio had used todays chemicals he
may well have been thicker than Ronnie much like Bertil was thicker than Haney
pound for pound. Sergio's narrowerer structure would have never allowed him to
come close to developing a back like Ronnie's overall. (Width and thickness)

[bizzy]

I wish there were more shots but even from
this angle you can tell that Fox and Sergio had alot
of similarities.

[bizzy]

There are better back relaxed shots of Ronnie
but I'm using a not so good one because I'm
sure this isn't the best of Sergio... just the best I could find from 1972.

[GoneAway]

sergio could have looked as impressive in the backdoublebi as ronnie. he wasnt narrower than him in that shot, he just has thinner upperback muscles, so nothing stands out. it looks smooth. put more muscle there so the traps, lats, rhomboids, etc, 'pop' and u have a ronnie back clone. not to mention his arms totally dwarfing his back for that very reason.