Sergio Vs Ronnie - WHO WINS ??

[bizzy]

Although Sergio had a small waist. Ronnie did
also in his prime.

[Hulkster]

great comparisons Bizzy!

sergio is so far behind its hard to see what ND is so in a fuss about.

then again, he has no fucking clue, and will argue that an ant has a better physique than Ronnie..

sorry sergio:

[Hulkster]

Although Sergio had a small waist. Ronnie did
also in his prime.

shhh!!! stop telling the obvious truth to the idiots like ND!
you are going to ruin their delusional fantasy.

[Hulkster]

At the beginning of the thread it was how Ronnie & Sergio were so alike and to quote your ignorant statement they both have amazingly long full muscle bellies , now Sergio's is too long lol and again why do you insist on posting pictures of guys at obviously not their best it only shows your fear and ignorance , you bitch and complain when people do it about Ronnie and then go right ahead and to it every single time without fail , hypocrite never heard that before huh? 

ya know, you are so incredibly stupid it is irritating.

I said that they had a lot of similar characteristics, not that they were identical in everyway.

there are going to be some differences you fucking illiterate moron.

get back on the boat. lol

[bizzy]

The one last BIG question mark that I forgot to mention
is... Would Sergio have the discipline/genetics to get ripped
enough to compete at todays level. He could not even get in
the condition required back in the 70's/80's. He may have been in good
enough condition once or twice but that's not that impressive over
a whole career. 

[suckmymuscle]

When Sergio's most muscular is not taken at an angle
he is thick but once again the lack of width is apparent.

  This has nothing to do with clavicle width, but with sheer muscle size. Ronnie is carrying some 30 lbs more muscle than Sergio in that comparison, which means that he his deltoids are much bigger and thus wider. If Oliva gained 20-40 lbs of muscle, his shoulders would be as wide or wider than Ronnie's. I don't think there's a difference in clavicle width between the two, but if there is it probably favors Oliva.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Iceman1981]

Sergio and Ronnie are my two favourite bodybuilders. You really can't compare both guys who are 30 years apart.

[MikeThaMachine]

Genetics wise I say it's all Sergio, for overall build I would also say Sergio but if it came down to who actually put it all together the best I have to say Ronnie because he isn't far behind Sergio in genetics and build but way ahead in terms of conditioning and peaking for shows when it really counts.

[Matt C]

Let's drop these ironage "what if" delusions that Sergio would look as good as Ronnie or would have even looked better than he previously had with "today's" drugs.    Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns?  He would not necessarily continue to improve forever and although I believe he would to a certain extent, I do not believe that he would improve to the point of being able to defeat Ronnie.

[NarcissisticDeity]

shhh!!! stop telling the obvious truth to the idiots like ND!
you are going to ruin their delusional fantasy.

No just ruin yours 

Tiny my ass , see when you truly have a tiny waist its tiny from all angles and in transition NOT when held onto for dear life

[The Freakshow]

Is this really a thread

"Anyone" Vs Ronnie -WHO 'REALLY' WINS??

[NarcissisticDeity]

great comparisons Bizzy!

sergio is so far behind its hard to see what ND is so in a fuss about.

then again, he has no fucking clue, and will argue that an ant has a better physique than Ronnie..

sorry sergio:

See you're a stupid person for many reasons but on this occasion its because I admitted Sergio at his best would lost to Ronnie because he's just as big or bigger , has much better conditioning , and muscularity however this is where you get lost Sergio has a better natural structure and balance & proportion and , again you complete moron , please pay attention with all things being equal , size , conditioning , muscularity Sergio would BEAT Ronnie because he has the addition of a better structure and balance & proportion.

again moron I'm not arguing Sergio has a better physique please pay attention

[NarcissisticDeity]

ya know, you are so incredibly stupid it is irritating.

I said that they had a lot of similar characteristics, not that they were identical in everyway.

there are going to be some differences you fucking illiterate moron.

get back on the boat. lol

fuck me you're simple please explain where I said they were identical , I never did this is your poor reading comprehension skills rearing their ugly head yet again


sergio had a lot of the same qualities that make ronnie at his best the greatest ever:

eg. full muscle bellies, tiny waist, wide as hell back.

but, when you compare them, Sergio does get owned.

this is your quote and now you're owned you're forced to back peddle , its interesting to ponder Ronnie with full muscle bellies when his calves are high and short and his forearms are shaped like bowling pins lol please go long what full muscle bellies mean before looking like a moron the next time you type , Ronnie's muscles are full of oil or whatever he's injecting into them. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

  This has nothing to do with clavicle width, but with sheer muscle size. Ronnie is carrying some 30 lbs more muscle than Sergio in that comparison, which means that he his deltoids are much bigger and thus wider. If Oliva gained 20-40 lbs of muscle, his shoulders would be as wide or wider than Ronnie's. I don't think there's a difference in clavicle width between the two, but if there is it probably favors Oliva.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Great post as usual and common sense and I think it does favor Sergio you couldn't hit this shot with narrow clavicles and you can see Sergio always had a great structure even when he was lighter

[NarcissisticDeity]

Despite all the modern advantages Ronnie enjoys Sergio is more than holding his own in this pose.

[suckmymuscle]

Let's drop these ironage "what if" delusions that Sergio would look as good as Ronnie or would have even looked better than he previously had with "today's" drugs.    Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns?  He would not necessarily continue to improve forever and although I believe he would to a certain extent, I do not believe that he would improve to the point of being able to defeat Ronnie.

  Is it a mere conincidence that all bodybuiilders nowadays are much bigger than those from the time when Sergio was in his prime - late 1960s, early 1970s? Do you have any idea of how little steroids and other drugs bodybuilders from that time used? Make no mistake about this: with the amount and tyoes of drugs that bodybuilders use nowadays, Sergio would carry some 30 lbs more muscle. And he would defeat Ronnie because he would be jsut as big but less flaws, such as not having high calves, high outer triceps head, etc.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

Despite all the modern advantages Ronnie enjoys Sergio is more than holding his own in this pose.

and yet it illustrates quite clearly how as good as the myth was, he did lack good muscle shape in crucial areas like traps, arms, delts etc. that would make it tough for him to EVER  beat Ronnie even with today's technology.

no amount of dieting and drugs would take serigo's arm shape in the above pose and turn it into the amazing shape of Ronnie's right next to him.

to think otherwise is living in a fantasy land.

the more I see these comparisons, the more I believe that Ronnie may have even had better natural muscle shape than Sergio, which is suprising.

but the proof is everywhere in this thread.

[Matt C]

and yet it illustrates quite clearly how as good as the myth was, he did lack good muscle shape in crucial areas like traps, arms, delts etc. that would make it tough for him to EVER  beat Ronnie even with today's technology.

no amount of dieting and drugs would take serigo's arm shape in the above pose and turn it into the amazing shape of Ronnie's right next to him.

to think otherwise is living in a fantasy land.

the more I see these comparisons, the more I believe that Ronnie may have even had better natural muscle shape than Sergio, which is suprising.

but the proof is everywhere in this thread.

ND thinks that since Sergio looks more pleasing in the arms overhead pose that this automatically means he beats Ronnie in all other areas.

[Hulkster]

ND thinks that since Sergio looks more pleasing in the arms overhead pose that this automatically means he beats Ronnie in all other areas.

 

no one said ND was smart when it comes to this sport...

[Matt C]

no one said ND was smart when it comes to this sport...

ND seems to think he is. 

Seriously, if he were to say that Sergio looks more pleasing in the hands overhead pose, no one would refute him.  If he were to say Dorian has better back detail or bigger calves than Ronnie, no one would refute him.  If he were to say that Arnold looks more pleasing in the front relaxed pose than Ronnie, no one would refute him.  But ND's problem is taking poses such as the above which he likes and therefore extending this to imply that the particular bodybuilder he is talking about is better OVERALL and that is plainly ridiculous.

[Palpatine Q]

ND seems to think he is. 

Seriously, if he were to say that Sergio looks more pleasing in the hands overhead pose, no one would refute him.  If he were to say Dorian has better back detail or bigger calves than Ronnie, no one would refute him.  If he were to say that Arnold looks more pleasing in the front relaxed pose than Ronnie, no one would refute him.  But ND's problem is taking poses such as the above which he likes and therefore extending this to imply that the particular bodybuilder he is talking about is better OVERALL and that is plainly ridiculous.

ND wears his anti-Ronnie bias on his sleeve. What should be done is comparisons between BBers in their BEST possible pose for BOTH guys. Showing one guy at his worst compared to the other guy in his signature shot isn't fooling anyone.

[bizzy]

  This has nothing to do with clavicle width, but with sheer muscle size. Ronnie is carrying some 30 lbs more muscle than Sergio in that comparison, which means that he his deltoids are much bigger and thus wider. If Oliva gained 20-40 lbs of muscle, his shoulders would be as wide or wider than Ronnie's. I don't think there's a difference in clavicle width between the two, but if there is it probably favors Oliva.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

According to this article: http://www.ironage.us/articles/sergiovarnie.html
Sergio is 240 in those pics. The Ronnie pics range between 247-257 so there
is nowhere near a 30 pound difference unless the Ironage article is wrong.
I would also like to add that Sergio @ 240 has deltoid muscles dang close if not as big as Ronnie's.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND thinks that since Sergio looks more pleasing in the arms overhead pose that this automatically means he beats Ronnie in all other areas.

don't presume to think for me , he sure beats Ronnie in terms of natural structure and balance & proportion , and that pose showcases Sergio's structure and proportions thats why I posted it , among others.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND seems to think he is. 

Seriously, if he were to say that Sergio looks more pleasing in the hands overhead pose, no one would refute him.  If he were to say Dorian has better back detail or bigger calves than Ronnie, no one would refute him.  If he were to say that Arnold looks more pleasing in the front relaxed pose than Ronnie, no one would refute him.  But ND's problem is taking poses such as the above which he likes and therefore extending this to imply that the particular bodybuilder he is talking about is better OVERALL and that is plainly ridiculous.

You can't seem to follow the argument it has NOTHING to do with who's more pleasing in a shot , how you can to that conclusion is beyond me , it has to do with who has a better structure in ALL poses , who has better balance & proportion and this is evident with Sergio , you can't have great balance & proportion when you're calves are nonexistent or your forearms are shaped like bowling pins and are dwarfed by your biceps/triceps and your torso is short and your glutes can be seen from the front and I hate to break it to you Matt you can see these flaws in Ronnie in every single pose , from every single angle

And ironically Hulkster has already argued Ronnie has more detail in his back than Yates lol

[Palpatine Q]

You must have the same prescription glasses as ND if you think Sergio comes anywhere near Ronnie in these pics