Dow Crash Coming To Your 401K (2007 to 2022)

[Neurotoxin]

if you decide to stay in stocks for the time being......definitely get OUT after Christmas. the shit will surely hit the fan after the holiday.....if not sooner.

[Neurotoxin]

bush has systematically destroyed this country financially and otherwise. our country is heading for a severe recession as a result of his failed policies. in the coming months, the stock market will come crashing down. mark my words.

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Stocks dropped steeply Friday, with the Dow headed toward its most dismal first-eight-trading-days-of-a-year run in 17 years, as write-downs and slashed earnings forecasts signaled slowing consumer spending and sparked increased talk of a recession.



"a sparked increased talk of recession?" are they kidding us ? the recession is already here and the stock market is reflecting that fact.

by the time our government finally admits the u.s. is in a recession.......it's too LATE to exit the market.

i will try and provide Gbers with unfiltered, unbiased information that will assist you in making your own decisions........if you so chose.

when things turn around and head positive, i will be the first to say so.


NT

[gtbro1]

  I don't know shit about the stock market....I have one of those plans based on my age/ retirement age that lets them  handle the decisions as to ratio of stocks to bonds my money is invested in. Right now most is in stocks.

[Neurotoxin]

 I don't know shit about the stock market....I have one of those plans based on my age/ retirement age that lets them  handle the decisions as to ratio of stocks to bonds my money is invested in. Right now most is in stocks.

unfortunately, unless you carry an account with a large 7+ figure balance, no one "manages" your account.

think about it, if your account was managed, why haven't you received a call (i assume) to alter your asset allocation while the Dow is dropping like a rock(nearly 2,000 points) and the economy is headed into a bad recession ?  answer: because no one is looking at your account.


NT

[gtbro1]

unfortunately, unless you carry an account with a large 7+ figure balance, no one "manages" your account.

think about it, if your account was managed, why haven't you received a call (i assume) to alter your asset allocation while the Dow is dropping like a rock(nearly 2,000 points) and the economy is headed into a bad recession ?  answer: because no one is looking at your account.


all opinion, no advice.

NT

   of coarse they don't. What I ment was the program I'm in changes the ratio of stocks to bonds the older I get.

[Neurotoxin]

   of coarse they don't. What I ment was the program I'm in changes the ratio of stocks to bonds the older I get.

sorry, i misunderstood your prior post.

[youandme]

   of coarse they don't. What I ment was the program I'm in changes the ratio of stocks to bonds the older I get.

It's a neural net, and it only works efficiently as the person in charge.

[trab]

where's alex23 and trab now? 

I'm fine thank you..... As I said, I (Whole family for that matter) clean'd them all out execpt one sometime back.

In cash and waiting........

PPT is fantasy. YOu think the same GW Bush taht put ground troops smack dab in the center of the Muslim world is smart enough to manipulate the market?   

If so, get in touch, Ive investment op's for you that COULD possibly return 5000%+..

[Bindare_Dundat]

where's alex23 and trab now? 

He actually got his fat ass to a pad and pencil and he's busy taking notes from Ron Paul.

[Neurotoxin]

PPT is fantasy. YOu think the same GW Bush taht put ground troops smack dab in the center of the Muslim world is smart enough to manipulate the market?   

Bush convenes Plunge Protection Team
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor
1:18am GMT 1/11/2008



On Friday, Mr Bush convened the so-called Plunge Protection Team for its first known meeting in the Oval Office. The black arts unit - officially the President's Working Group on Financial Markets - was created after the 1987 crash.

It appears to have powers to support the markets in a crisis with a host of instruments, mostly by through buying futures contracts on the stock indexes (DOW, S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell) and key credit levers. And it has the means to fry "short" traders in the hottest of oils.

[Neurotoxin]

PPT is fantasy.

Paulson re-activates secretive support team to prevent markets meltdown
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
12:09am GMT 10/30/2006



Paulson re-activates secretive support team to prevent markets meltdown Judging by their body language, the US authorities believe the roaring bull market this autumn is just a suckers' rally before the inevitable storm hits.

Hank Paulson, the market-wise Treasury Secretary who built a $700m fortune at Goldman Sachs, is re-activating the 'plunge protection team' (PPT), a shadowy body with powers to support stock index, currency, and credit futures in a crash.

Otherwise known as the working group on financial markets, it was created by Ronald Reagan to prevent a repeat of the Wall Street meltdown in October 1987.

[War-Horse]

LOL.  Trab gets his ass handed to him time after time....

PPT. How else do you explain the infusion of money into the market, when everyone else is in a panic and HOARDING theirs??

And I agree Bush isnt smart enough to wipe his own ass after a shit......But heres a clue for you.     The corporate systems like the Bildeburgs are running the show as regards money.......Bush is just along for the ride and is told what to do.    There are secret systems intact....  

 He is purposly wrecking the american dollar and its economy because a broken people will more likely accept a "New world Order" and global economy.

[youandme]

He is purposly wrecking the american dollar and its economy because a broken people will more likely accept a "New world Order" and global economy.

What we will see in the coming years is a capitalists take over of the dollar, controlling it's influence in the making in the past, and controlling it's demise in the future, to a more convenient stronger paperback.

[Neurotoxin]

Jan. 14 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar fell to within a cent of its all-time low versus the euro on speculation U.S. interest rates will drop below those of the 15 nations that share the single European currency for the first time in three years.

[trab]

Jan. 14 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar fell to within a cent of its all-time low versus the euro on speculation U.S. interest rates will drop below those of the 15 nations that share the single European currency for the first time in three years.



prepare to wipe your ass with our greenback if teh Fed drops rates again. 

Duh, Thats a given,,,,, allready done deal.....  SHould'a maxed out  and put it  in backwater countries currencies.....


But read thies about yur PPT... I just don't buy into it (PPT). Markets too large (these days esp)

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NEO - Dont you worry one little bit....... HELLICOPTER BEN IS COMING TO THE RESCUE!!!!! 

Git out Yur ButterFly nets and just scoop thet money from the $ky when he starts'a  throwin'  it!!!

[youandme]

wow mind numbing brilliance "Just traders taking profit, either on the long side or short side."

Mauldin is a choppy unrelenting writer. His tune changes with each page, believing in preservation of liquidity during bear markets but then targeting "where the money flows" approach the next page over, by "targeting the future" by giving "value to the market"

Oh he has also been wrong in predicting economic cycles as a whole, nevermind the direction of a stock...if you can't see macro trends your off by a mile on micro trends.

If your going to follow someone like John you would know that he does agree with the situation at hand now....that "stocks will one day trade at single digits"

PPT is real, it stems from two parts 1 part investor psychology and another part algorithms something the capitalists were looking into when mathematician Hardy during the 1900's was relentless in trading technicals.

Not to mention the information that goes to a database (let alone the specialist) when you short a stock. The "Them" of Wall street is run on many things....stupidity is not one of them.

[Neurotoxin]

I just don't buy into it (PPT). Markets too large (these days esp)

PLUNGE PROTECTORS ARE ALL OVER MARKET MELTDOWN CLICK TO ENLARGE


August 16, 2007 -- THE Plunge Protection Team and the Federal Reserve saw it coming.

The "it" is the turmoil in the financial markets that we've been seeing ever since the failure of some subprime mortgage securities began scaring the bejeezus out of investors.

And in case you haven't noticed the Plunge Protectors - the real name of which is the President's Working Group on Financial Markets - are no longer secretive.

The Treasury is still ignoring The Post's long-standing requests for information on the PWG under the Freedom of Information Act.

And Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson hasn't gotten back to me on my recent request for an interview.

But the rest of the media is suddenly tracking this mysterious organization. Trouble is, while the press now seems to understand the PWG's importance, nobody is asking the big question - what is the group willing and able to do in a crisis? Now that it suits the group's interest, the PWG wants everyone to know it's on the job.

Let me quote from this past Monday's Wall Street Journal: "The market turmoil prompted the President's Working Group on Financial Markets . . . to trigger protocols established by Mr. Paulson shortly after he took office last year.

"They include a detailed list of who is going to call financial institutions, risk managers, traders and chief executives to keep tabs, how often they should call and the like."

The Journal went on to say that Paulson instructed a Treasury Department official named Emil Henry to craft six "meltdown" scenarios.

"One was the catch-all General Withdrawal from Risk Taking. Others included a liquidity crisis, stock market meltdown and oil shock," according to the Journal.

[Neurotoxin]

Jan. 15 (Bloomberg) -- Investor confidence in Germany dropped to the lowest in 15 years on concern that a U.S. recession will deepen the slowdown in Europe's largest economy.

The ZEW Center for European Economic Research said its index of investor and analyst expectations fell to minus 41.6 from minus 37.2 last month, the eighth straight decline. Economists expected a decline to minus 40, the median of 40 forecasts in a Bloomberg News survey showed.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Merrill Lynch & Co. forecast that the U.S. will slip into recession this year for the first time since 2001 as the housing slump, which has driven up credit costs globally, curbs consumer spending. That may hurt European exporters already grappling with oil prices around $100 a barrel and an appreciating euro.
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guys, the writing is on the wall. please take notice. also, avoid ALL suckers rallies........they will fail.

[Neurotoxin]

PPT is fantasy.

guys, this will be my last post on the Plunge Protection Team.




Juicing the Stock Market
The secret maneuverings of the Plunge Protection Team

By Mike Whitney

03/07/07 "ICH " -- -- The Working Group on Financial Markets, also know as the Plunge Protection Team, was created by Ronald Reagan to prevent a repeat of the Wall Street meltdown of October 1987. Its members include the Secretary of the Treasury, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, the Chairman of the SEC and the Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Recently, the team has been on high-alert given the increased volatility of the markets and, what Hank Paulson calls, "the systemic risk posed by hedge funds and derivatives.”

According to John Crudele of the New York Post, the Plunge Protection Team’s (PPT) modus operandi was revealed by a former member of the Federal Reserve Board, Robert Heller. Heller said that disasters could be mitigated by “buying market averages in the futures market, thus stabilizing the market as a whole.” This appears to be the strategy that has been used.

Former-Clinton advisor, George Stephanopoulos, verified the existence of The Plunge Protection Team (as well as its methods) in an appearance on Good Morning America on Sept 17, 2000. 

Stephanopoulos’ comments have never been officially denied. In fact, as Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the U.K. Telegraph notes, Secretary of the Treasury, Hank Paulson has called for the PPT to meet with greater frequency and set up “a command centre at the US Treasury that will track global markets and serve as an operations base in the next crisis. The top brass will meet every six weeks, combining the heads of Treasury, Federal Reserve, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and key exchanges”.

[Neurotoxin]

guys, traders on WS are calling this a TOXIC MARKET for a reason, beware.

[trab]

Your PPT is nothing but urban legend.  It'd be Like trying to stop a Tsunami with a bucket crew....

But, you guys believe in insane 911 conspiracy theories to...

Yes, All the bad financial news and issues related to the US$ are very real.



I expect some LOD's (Low of days) to touch 10K on the DOW chart, but no need of a significant base to be rebuilt there or lower.
 I could be wrong, but that is WAY more of a exact prediction than anyone else here is stating.

Lay out your belief of what's going to happen, not just jabber.

Fact is NOBODY can say where the charts go w/ 100% certainty.
But you can take the meat out of a trends move and spot change.

All forces for continued global expansion at high rate are still in place.

Housing is not near done correcting IMO.
Financials are the last place I'm going to "Look for a buying opportunity" on future selloffs.

Have cash and as much margin as yur comfortable with and tighter stops on anyplays right now IMO. 

[Neurotoxin]

Your PPT is nothing but urban legend.  It'd be Like trying to stop a Tsunami with a bucket crew....

But, you guys believe in insane 911 conspiracy theories to...

Yes, All the bad financial news and issues related to the US$ are very real.



I expect some LOD's (Low of days) to touch 10K on the DOW chart, but no need of a significant base to be rebuilt there or lower.
 I could be wrong, but that is WAY more of a exact prediction than anyone else here is stating.

Lay out your belief of what's going to happen, not just jabber.

Fact is NOBODY can say where the charts go w/ 100% certainty.
But you can take the meat out of a trends move and spot change.

All forces for continued global expansion at high rate are still in place.

Housing is not near done correcting IMO.
Financials are the last place I'm going to "Look for a buying opportunity" on future selloffs.

Have cash and as much margin as yur comfortable with and tighter stops on anyplays right now IMO. 

i'll let the guys who visit this thread decide my worth. 

[trab]

i'll let the guys who visit this thread decide my worth. 

Here's what your worth Bud.... On one hand you point out a bunch of bad Financial/Econ news and data thats been clear as day for a LONG TIME... and say the sky will fall (Someday... )

Next you hedge from making any commitment by implying there are some covert operators slinking around in
 tailored suits on Wall & Broad... 

So, your covered both ways, if it crashes bad you predicted it, and if it dont, the secret magicians that created the whole 9/11 illusion are at it again....
(An convienent excuse for Your faliure)


If you have a opinion of where the USA and Global economy is headed and why, state it.
Also remember, the global Econ balance is not a See-Saw where if the USA standard of living goes down, that the rest go up.... Quite the contrary,,,, more like a receding tide, all ships find a lower level.
 Like this -
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/asian-markets-hit-hard-wall/story.aspx?guid=%7B8C0377C2%2DF564%2D468B%2D93E3%2D4790B0D241A7%7D

[24KT]

Uh-oh! I'm not sure if the US market just vomitted, ...or merely burped!
They say when the USA gets the sniffles, ...everyone else around the world, get's the FLU
Anyone looking at or listening to this mornings financials has got to be reaching for the aspirin about now.

[trab]

Hey Neon ---
A little upset there w/ that one huh? 

Not used to anyone asking you to back up your mouth?

Pretty common these days where credibility is of ZERO VALUE....

SHIT! Just when I saw the PPT w/ my very own eyes in the charts yesterday in them 3 big green 5min bars 20min prior to the close..............

Or was it some money freed up from the close of the bond markets?
Or just simply a technical buy indicator crossed that triggered a failed little flurry of buying.

YOU HAVE SHOWN NOTHING HERE TO LET ANYONE WITH THE SLIGHTEST UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE MARKETS WORK, OR TRADING EXPERIENCE BE LED TO BELIEVE YOU KNOW ANTHING ABOUT THE SUBJECT AT ALL. IM TALKING TOTALLY OVER YOUR HEAD!!!!!!!!!

Your just another pretender here bud. Thats all.