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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1100 on: June 18, 2008, 03:32:54 PM »
U.S. Stocks Fall on FedEx's Loss, Fifth Third's Dividend Cut


 June 18 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks fell, sending the Dow Jones Industrial Average to a three-month low, as FedEx Corp.'s results and Fifth Third Bancorp's dividend cut reinforced concern bank losses and record oil will prolong the slump in profits.



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« Reply #1101 on: June 19, 2008, 12:10:41 AM »
The Royal Bank of Scotland has advised clients to brace for a full-fledged crash in global stock and credit markets over the next three months as inflation paralyses the major central banks.

"A very nasty period is soon to be upon us - be prepared," said Bob Janjuah, the bank's credit strategist.

A report by the bank's research team warns that the S&P 500 index of Wall Street equities is likely to fall by more than 300 points to around 1050 by September as "all the chickens come home to roost" from the excesses of the global boom, with contagion spreading across Europe and emerging markets.

Such a slide on world bourses would amount to one of the worst bear markets over the last century.

RBS expects Wall Street to rally a little further into early July before short-lived momentum from America's fiscal boost begins to fizzle out, and the delayed effects of the oil spike inflict their damage.

"Globalisation was always going to risk putting G7 bankers into a dangerous corner at some point. We have got to that point," he said.

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1102 on: June 19, 2008, 04:24:28 AM »
Dow down 2,200 points since hitting 14,200.00 in late 2007.

IMO, we continue to head lower.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1103 on: June 19, 2008, 05:13:56 AM »


guys, the best you can hope for in this current market is intermittent short cover rallies as we head lower, nothing more.



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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1104 on: June 19, 2008, 05:47:54 AM »
guys, believing ANY government economic data is silly at this point. too predictable.   



U.S. weekly initial jobless claims fall 5,000 to 381,000 


June 19, 2008
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Weekly U.S. initial jobless claims dropped by 5,000 to 381,000 in the week ending June 14, a two-week low, the Labor Department reported Thursday. Continuing jobless claims fell to 3.06 million, the lowest since April.



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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1105 on: June 20, 2008, 10:32:12 AM »
Stocks decline sharply as oil rises, financials hit.
Major indexes all down at least 1%, weekly declines in the picture.


June 20, 2008 NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- U.S. stocks on Friday thudded sharply lower, with the Dow steering toward its first close below 12,000 in three months, as investors encountered another day of escalating oil prices and more trouble in the financial sector.



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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1106 on: June 20, 2008, 10:38:54 AM »


guys, this market has serious problems. too much game playing and manipulation by the PPT.
 
until we capitulate, i'd be very careful.

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1107 on: June 20, 2008, 01:57:20 PM »
Stocks set for weekly losses as oil up, financials hit
Major indexes all down around 2%, Dow down 400-plus points on the week



June 20, 2008 NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- U.S. stocks on Friday thudded sharply lower, with the Dow steering toward its first close below 12,000 in three months, as investors encountered another day of escalating oil prices and more trouble in the financial sector. Dow closed at 11,842.00.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1108 on: June 20, 2008, 06:08:32 PM »
Will the Schiff hit the fan?  ;D

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« Reply #1109 on: June 21, 2008, 03:51:11 AM »


guys, this market has serious problems. too much game playing and manipulation by the PPT.

until we capitulate, i'd be very careful.


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guys, as you know, my opinion has NOT changed once since Nov 2007.

i will keep you informed when (IMO) the turnaround begins.......now is still NOT that time.

please be patient.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1110 on: June 21, 2008, 06:59:12 AM »


after the holiday, there's NOTHING "looking forward" to propel the market past the 14k level and higher, so ALL bets are off the table. infact, many of us expect a recession to rear it's ugly head in "08" w/ a corresponding market breakdown.


  

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« Reply #1111 on: June 21, 2008, 07:01:42 AM »


i'm thinking a deep recession lasting into 09. the housing and banking crisis is the worst since the 1929 depression.

i believe we're currently in the beginning stages of a recession, which IMO will kick into the market AFTER the holiday.
 

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« Reply #1112 on: June 21, 2008, 07:53:07 AM »

most small investors get sucked in at the top of markets by the hype on CNBC and the Cramers of the world.

recently when the Dow hit 14,000, CNBC's crew had party hats on ! how many small investors bought into that euphoria ? answer: more than you'll ever know.

small investors are like cattle.....they got caught in 2000, and will AGAIN in 2008.  


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« Reply #1113 on: June 21, 2008, 08:14:38 AM »
guys, think about this, the Dow in 2001 was at 12,000.00. 7 1/2 yrs later, it sits at 11,820.00. the Nasdaq was at 5,000 in 2000, it now sits at 2,406, in 2008. (8 1/2 yrs later.) 

with inflation taken into account, anyone who bought and held stocks, LOST bigtime.

the key to making money (average investor) in todays market is AVOIDING big downturns and knowing when to re-enter safely. (stock brokers are clueless IMO)

years ago, you could buy and hold stocks forever and make great returns. those days are long gone. hedge funds, big brokerage firms and the like, have altered market dynamic's forever.




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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1114 on: June 21, 2008, 12:28:59 PM »



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« Reply #1115 on: June 22, 2008, 01:28:15 PM »
Wall Street balks as Fed's tightrope gets thinner

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NEW YORK (AP) - After the Federal Reserve's meeting this week, the Fed policymakers are expected to voice a tough stance on inflation. Talk about poor timing.

Though Wall Street's inflation concerns have not abated - crude oil remains above $134 a barrel - worries about the health of the U.S. financial system and broader economy have returned in force.

"I don't know that there's anything they can say in their policy statement that would cause the market to breathe a sigh of relief, or cause a big updraft in the market," said Richard Sparks, a senior equity analyst at Schaeffer's Investment Research in Cincinnati. "The best they could do is remain neutral. ... But I agree with most people that they're more likely to emphasize price pressures rather than the potentially weakening economy."

Many don't expect a rate hike until the fall, or until early next year. But nearly all believe, after speeches by Fed officials over the past few weeks, that policymakers are finished with lowering rates due to the plunging dollar and soaring energy costs.

"There's no question the Fed is walking on a tightrope here. They're in a box," said Peter Cardillo, chief market economist at New York-based brokerage house Avalon Partners Inc. He pointed to the sluggish economy, the threat of rising inflation, and flooding in the Midwest that is destroying crops.

"If they were to raise (rates), that could put further weakness in economic activity. But by the same token, by raising, that could help stabilize the dollar and help reverse inflation," Cardillo said.



guys, the Fed's in big trouble due to STAGFLATION. (economic weakness combined with soaring inflation.)

lowering interest rates will only add more fuel to inflation. conversely, raising rates would further slow our dormant economy.

in other words.....the Fed is fvcked. no wiggle room left to manipulate rates lower to appease wall street.

raising rates is the only solution, and wall street HATES interest rate hikes.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1116 on: June 23, 2008, 03:04:54 PM »
Most U.S. Stocks Retreat, Led by Financials on Credit Concern

June 23 (Bloomberg) -- Most U.S. stocks retreated, sending financial shares to their lowest level in five years, on a deteriorating outlook for bank earnings. Rising oil prices pushed crude producers higher, leaving the Standard & Poor's 500 Index and Dow Jones Industrial Average little changed.

Merrill Lynch & Co., Morgan Stanley and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. helped lead the drop after Bank of America Corp. cut income estimates for brokerages and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. advised selling bank shares as credit losses linger into 2009. Oil's second day of gains pushed down Home Depot Inc., General Motors Corp. and United Airlines parent UAL Corp., while sending energy shares to their first advance in four days. American International Group Inc., the largest insurer, tumbled to the lowest since 1997 on Barron's recommendation to sell the shares.

Almost two stocks fell for each that rose on the New York Stock Exchange. The S&P 500 rose 0.07 point to 1,318. The Dow decreased 0.33, or less than 0.1 percent, to 11,842.36. The Nasdaq Composite Index slipped 20.35, or 0.9 percent, to 2,385.74.




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« Reply #1117 on: June 23, 2008, 08:06:53 PM »
In a grim report on the weakened state of the housing industry, Harvard University says the United States is caught in a real estate market downturn “that is shaping up to be the worst in a generation.”
The decline in housing construction and home sales “already rivals the worst downturns in the post World War II era,” said the report out today from Harvard's Joint Center for Housing Studies. Price drops and mortgage failures “are the worst on records that date back to the 1960s and 1970s.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20080623-9999-1b23harvard.html

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« Reply #1118 on: June 23, 2008, 08:09:58 PM »
Increasing struggles by consumers and businesses to make payments on a variety of loans, not just mortgages, are setting off a new wave of trouble in the financial sector that is battering even institutions that had steered clear of the subprime-home-loan debacle.

Late payments on home-equity loans are at a record high, according to fresh data from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. The delinquency rates on loans for cars, small businesses and construction are spiking to levels not seen in a decade or more.

Unlike last year, when soaring mortgage defaults sparked a crisis of confidence in the financial system, the root of these problems is the downturn in the broader economy. Simply put, consumers and businesses are strapped for cash with job losses growing and retail sales falling, economists said.

"We are not finished with the mortgage problem, but you are starting to see increased delinquencies in other forms of consumer debt," said Paul Kasriel, an economist at Northern Trust Securities. "We are in the eye of the hurricane. We had the first wave of the credit crisis, and it was quite damaging. But there's another wave coming, and it's likely to be as destructive."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/21/AR2008062101566.html

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« Reply #1119 on: June 23, 2008, 08:13:52 PM »
TIJUANA, Mexico (CNN) -- More Americans, tired of skyrocketing gas prices, are crossing the border to Mexico, where fueling up costs a great deal less.

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« Reply #1120 on: June 24, 2008, 05:00:13 AM »
Bernanke Plays `Dangerous Game' Balancing Rate Talk With Action


 June 24 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, by voicing concern about inflation and the slumping dollar, has fanned investor expectations for an interest-rate increase as soon as August. He may regret it.

Raising rates may exacerbate the economic slowdown and roil banks whose losses sent their stocks down the most in a decade this month. Forgoing a rate boost next quarter risks damaging the Fed's credibility and deepening its divisions. Already this year, three officials have dissented on rate decisions.

While Bernanke's warning that the Fed will ``strongly resist'' a jump in inflation expectations led traders to bet on a rate increase, economists are more skeptical. All 101 in a Bloomberg News survey said the Federal Open Market Committee will keep the benchmark rate unchanged tomorrow and most analysts this month predicted officials will stand pat until 2009.

``That's the dangerous game,'' said Scott Anderson, senior economist in Minneapolis at Wells Fargo & Co., the fourth- largest U.S. bank by market value. ``Instead of putting the shot across the bow on inflation,'' Bernanke might have ``held off a few more months to let the credit crisis heal a little bit more.''

The Fed chief shifted stance after soaring costs of energy and imported goods threatened to stoke consumer price expectations. Gasoline climbed 37 percent in the past year, according to AAA. Import prices excluding petroleum rose the most since 1988 in the 12 months to May, government figures show.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1121 on: June 24, 2008, 05:59:10 AM »
June 24, 2008
Oil climbs on currency, supply concerns

Crude prices rise as the dollar weakens and political instability threatens to disrupt supply.



guys, as i've stated on numerous occasions, current fuel prices are directly related to our weaked dollar (deficit spending/bush's war) and supply concerns.( bush's war)




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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1122 on: June 24, 2008, 06:42:15 AM »
OPEC head blames oil price spike on U.S. as prices rise 
 
 
 
June 24, 2008 (AP) — OPEC President Chakib Khelil insisted Tuesday that oil producers see no need to raise supply, blaming high prices on factors outside their control such as U.S. pressure on Iran and the weak U.S. dollar


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k..........
« Reply #1123 on: June 24, 2008, 07:09:50 AM »
NT - Do you forsee any change in the weak dollar anytime soon?

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« Reply #1124 on: June 24, 2008, 07:16:21 AM »
NT - Do you forsee any change in the weak dollar anytime soon?
not as long as the current account defcit doesnt improve.