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« Reply #1925 on: February 26, 2009, 12:32:33 PM »
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« Reply #1926 on: February 27, 2009, 03:31:51 AM »
S&P continues to stay ABOVE the Nov 21 2008 low of 741.(Bush low) market has recently tested said level and moved higher. (765)

with the market severely oversold i continue to anticipate holding 741 with an attendant short cover/bear market rally.

long term opinion remains unchanged.

 

market weakness continues unabated, any strength being sold off by days end. intraday short cover rallies quickly become exhausted, reflecting high negative market sentiment.

again, S&P must hold 741 (key support) if not, the Dow breaching 7,000 is a high probability IMO.
 


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #1927 on: February 27, 2009, 08:21:48 AM »
 6900's  here we come.

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« Reply #1928 on: February 27, 2009, 01:38:58 PM »
short one

GE - Warren Buffet ---??

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« Reply #1929 on: February 27, 2009, 06:50:25 PM »
He says "why would Buffet be propping up GS - other than the fact that he's making a lot of money"

This guy is a fucking idiot... So now making money on a slam dunk deal is a conspiracy?

Total Douschebag.

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« Reply #1930 on: February 27, 2009, 06:54:16 PM »
He says "why would Buffet be propping up GS - other than the fact that he's making a lot of money"

This guy is a fucking idiot... So now making money on a slam dunk deal is a conspiracy?

What I was thinking as well. Buffet got a sweetheart of a deal with GS. Basically it was the use of his name as an investor for a guaranteed profit.

Not impressed with the guy based on that video.
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« Reply #1932 on: February 28, 2009, 07:53:17 AM »
:)

http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php?PHPSESSID=b705178d0ea28c57b4e2c1c7740948e6&topic=39950.0


Thanks, but no thanks. I am not interested in reading the those interested in personal character assassination of Warren Buffet. I am a student of finance and security analysis, in that regard Buffet is a genius. He's helped me make money. If it doesn't have to do with investing, it is superfluous bullshit.
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« Reply #1933 on: March 01, 2009, 06:42:59 PM »
6900's  here we come.

Won't be surprised to see this happen Monday morning.

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« Reply #1934 on: March 01, 2009, 11:24:40 PM »
Yeah, Bad week coming.......            A few more months and we'll have a dollar collapse and a market freeze on wall street.  :-\

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #1935 on: March 02, 2009, 12:49:40 AM »
Scary drops in foreign markets this morning. Get ready for a crazy ride when markets open here.

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« Reply #1936 on: March 02, 2009, 06:14:58 PM »
Dow ended DOW -299.64 -4.24%  6,763.29       


Stocks tumbled Monday, with the Dow and S&P 500 falling to 12-year lows after insurance company American International Group's huge quarterly loss added to worries about the financial sector and the economy.

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« Reply #1937 on: March 02, 2009, 06:21:51 PM »
March 2, 2009, 2:44 pm
Stocks Finally Start Looking Affordable
By David Leonhardt

Updated at market close.

At long last, stocks are beginning to look cheap.

With today’s declines, the long-term price-earnings ratio of the Standard & Poor 500-stock index is down to about 12.3. Over the past century, this ratio has averaged about 16. So relative to corporate profits, the stock market now appears to be undervalued by about 30 percent.

For months now, we have been following the stock market’s decline here at Economix and arguing that the market was not as inexpensive as many others were arguing. Our case: Despite the enormous fall in stocks, the long-term p-e ratio — that is, the ratio based on the past 10 years of corporate earnings — was still roughly at its historical average.

But the declines over the last few weeks are starting to change the picture. I crunched some of the historical stock data kept by Robert Shiller, author of “Irrational Exuberance,” and it offers some reason for optimism. When the p-e has been between 12 and 13 over the last 125 years or so, stocks have doubled over the next decade, on average. (Adjusting for inflation, they have risen almost 50 percent.)

Over all, there is pretty direct correlation between the p-e ratio and future long-term returns. For example, when the ratio has been 15 to 20, stocks have risen only about 50 percent over the next decade. When the ratio has been above 25, stocks haven’t risen much at all.

So does this mean stocks are finished falling? No.

In the other two great bear markets of the past century, in the 1930s and the 1980s, the p-e ratio ultimately dropped to about 6 or 7. To get to that level now, the S&P 500 would have to drop below 400, from the current 701, and the Dow Jones industrial average would need to be below 4,000. So stocks may well continue to fall. They may even still fall a fair amount.

But long-term investors — and that describes most of us — should start to feel perfectly fine about buying stocks. Investors who bought in the late 1930s or late 1970s, when the p-e was also around 12, had a rough ride. But they did quite nicely if they held their stocks for a decade or more.
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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #1938 on: March 03, 2009, 01:51:08 AM »
Neurotoxin,

Would you suggest savings accounts based on bank trusts which deal mostly in stocks at this point?

I have a friend looking at putting $1200 monthly into a savings account tied directly to world stocks (from my research most holdings are in somewhat "safe" stock), he's adamant of going into the higher risked units (for higher potential growth [and loss]). What would you do?
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« Reply #1939 on: March 03, 2009, 06:58:09 AM »
Well, somone is really pushing gold down.

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« Reply #1940 on: March 05, 2009, 07:29:20 AM »
agreed. I'd rather play Craps.

bankruptcy and GM is still a strong possibility.


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GM, auditor express doubts over survival

March 5, 2009 General Motors Corp. shares fell as much as 17% in early trading Thursday, retreating as the automaker and its auditor stoked more doubts that the company can keep its assembly lines running amid a historic dearth of new-car buyers.
The shares moved down 31 cents to stand lately at $1.88

GM 1.88, -0.32, -14.5%) said in a filing to the Securities and Exchange Commission that bankruptcy was a possibility if its Viability Plan, as submitted to the Congress, didn't succeed.



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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #1941 on: March 05, 2009, 07:39:16 AM »
700 is now key support for the S&P. a significant breach could be disastrous.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #1942 on: March 05, 2009, 07:40:04 AM »
700 is now key support for the S&P. a significant breach could be disastrous.


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Didn't we have a significant breach a few days ago? What number were you thinking?

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #1943 on: March 05, 2009, 07:53:10 AM »
GM, auditor express doubts over survival

March 5, 2009 General Motors Corp. shares fell as much as 17% in early trading Thursday, retreating as the automaker and its auditor stoked more doubts that the company can keep its assembly lines running amid a historic dearth of new-car buyers.
The shares moved down 31 cents to stand lately at $1.88

GM 1.88, -0.32, -14.5%) said in a filing to the Securities and Exchange Commission that bankruptcy was a possibility if its Viability Plan, as submitted to the Congress, didn't succeed.



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So when do the people get their money back?

We're fucked.

"As goes General Motors, so goes the USA."

"What's good for General Motors is good for the USA."

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #1944 on: March 05, 2009, 07:59:40 AM »
Didn't we have a significant breach a few days ago? What number were you thinking?

741---->700--->660

to be continued.....



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« Reply #1945 on: March 05, 2009, 08:13:04 AM »
Neurotoxin,

Would you suggest savings accounts based on bank trusts which deal mostly in stocks at this point?

I have a friend looking at putting $1200 monthly into a savings account tied directly to world stocks (from my research most holdings are in somewhat "safe" stock), he's adamant of going into the higher risked units (for higher potential growth [and loss]). What would you do?

IMO no.


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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #1946 on: March 05, 2009, 09:25:09 AM »


March 4  Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair said the fund it uses to protect customer deposits at U.S. banks could dry up amid a surge in bank failures, as she responded to an industry outcry against new fees approved by the agency.

“Without these assessments, the deposit insurance fund could become insolvent this year, Bair wrote in a March 2 letter to the industry. U.S. community banks plan to flood the FDIC with about 5,000 letters in protest of the fees, according to a trade group.

“A large number” of bank failures may occur through 2010 because of “rapidly deteriorating economic conditions,” Bair said in the letter. “Without substantial amounts of additional assessment revenue in the near future, current projections indicate that the fund balance will approach zero or even become negative.”


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« Reply #1947 on: March 05, 2009, 09:48:39 AM »
stashing aside adequate cash "in case of an emergency" might be in order.

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March 4  Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair said the fund it uses to protect customer deposits at U.S. banks could dry up amid a surge in bank failures, as she responded to an industry outcry against new fees approved by the agency.

“Without these assessments, the deposit insurance fund could become insolvent this year, Bair wrote in a March 2 letter to the industry. U.S. community banks plan to flood the FDIC with about 5,000 letters in protest of the fees, according to a trade group.

“A large number” of bank failures may occur through 2010 because of “rapidly deteriorating economic conditions,” Bair said in the letter. “Without substantial amounts of additional assessment revenue in the near future, current projections indicate that the fund balance will approach zero or even become negative.”



All while ZERO is giving 900 million to Hamas.  Nice.

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Re: Dow crash coming to your 401k (**Strictly Moderated--SEE FIRST POST**)
« Reply #1948 on: March 05, 2009, 01:49:37 PM »
no surprise to GBers following along...the bleedout continues unabated.

S&P finally breached the 700 level, closing @ 682.  as we continue lower, i look for 660 to act as our next "support" level.

long term opinion remains unchanged.


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US Stocks Close At 12-Year Lows; Citi At $1.02

March 5, 2009
NEW YORK  U.S. stock indexes fell to their lowest levels in more than 12 years as one of the world's most prominent banks and an icon of American manufacturing traded as penny stocks.
 
Not even after five consecutive declines did traders want to own stocks overnight, said Joseph Saluzzi, co-founder of Themis Trading.
"Nobody wants to get in the way as the freight train comes down the embankment," he said.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 281.40 points, or 4.09%, to 6594.44, its lowest close since April 1997. The Nasdaq Composite fell 54.15, or 4.00%, to 1299.59. The broad Standard & Poor's 500 index shed 30.32, or 4.25%, to 682.55, 56% below its bull-market peak in October 2007. That's the biggest drop for the market since the 1930s.

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« Reply #1949 on: March 06, 2009, 02:34:03 AM »
U.S. February Job Losses May Have Been Largest in Six Decades


March 6  The U.S. economy probably lost more jobs in February than at any time since 1949, a plunge that may force further reductions in spending and send more Americans into bankruptcy, economists said before a report today.

Employers cut payrolls by 650,000 and the unemployment rate probably surged to a 25-year high of 7.9 percent, according to the median estimates in a Bloomberg News survey ahead of the Labor Department figures.




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