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The Truth
« on: November 12, 2007, 10:31:16 PM »
I got to thinking today about all the questions on this board. For the most part, most of the questions are legitimate, many of the questions are the same ones I had when I first started out with all of this stuff…so I’m more then happy to offer what little bit I do know to someone else, because others at one time did the same for me. Granted, there are some questions that get asked that are down right idiotic but that’s the nature of questions, there are good ones, not so good ones, and insanely weird ones.

But I’ve noticed a pattern for a while that has bothered me a little. Guys will come on here in the beginning asking the basic questions we all ask and as time goes by, their questions begin to evolve. As they evolve themselves into more sound bodybuilders and more educated individuals when it comes to the topic of performance enhancing drugs, there is one key flaw that seems to prevail.

Most are interested in doing things as properly as they can, with sound judgment therefore minimizing risk to the full extent plausible. Hey, there is nothing wrong with this and for the most part this sound judgment should be applauded.

However, in the end, most people come back over and over again, wondering how can they do things better? How can they reach the level of muscular development that they truly desire? At this stage, the person has more then likely gotten to the point where they more then likely do not follow the same protocol when it comes to this topic that they did in the beginning. As they evolve into better bodybuilders, they inevitably evolve into more of a risk taker when it comes to performance enhancing drugs.

It is at this point, many end up falling away from drug use themselves. They begin to realize that no matter what they do, they will never look like the guys they see on the covers of a magazine…that is unless their evolvement goes to a state way beyond what they have accepted so far.

Then we’re left with just a few, a very small minority. These individuals continue to grow as bodybuilders, they do not loose most of their size after coming off cycle. In fact, they get bigger an better each and every time. Why is this, what’s the secret, what’s the magic formula that most guys are missing? Is it genetics, is that all it is? We all know genetics play such a huge and important role in this game. Even with “good” genetics, most will never reach the magazine look. Yet there are those who even with sub-par genetics, continue to flourish each and every year and it is this fact that drives the majority of bodybuilders absolutely nuts!

So what’s the ticket you ask, please, please let me know this secret you cry. It’s actually quite simple and can be summed up with one word…RISK.

The guy who falls into this small minority does not follow the guided judgment of most performance enhancing drug users. He does not follow things like time on equals time off, he does not follow the basic safety procedures that many are accustomed to. His cycles are thoroughly planned out, but at a moments notice it will change if he notices even a slight stalemate in growth and production.
He has forgone the “play it safe” motto, and in the end he may very well pay for his decisions…then again he may not…time will tell. He understands this reality and accepts the risk and responsibility himself…even so, he’s still bigger and better then you.

Many of my closest friends are die hard bodybuilders. Many of these friends use large amounts of gear, and stay on indefinitely. Many of these same friends are national level competitors, hey, two of them are doing Nationals this wk end.

So that’s the truth. That’s the difference between him and you. Is this a fact set in stone? No, there are always exceptions, but in general you can bet your supply of test that it’s dead on the money.

This doesn’t mean you should say to yourself, “well crap, I guess I’m SOL!” Far from it. Playing it safe, is just that, playing it safe, and we all take certain risk in life to reach and achieve what we desire. A business man may put all he has into a future endeavor, in the end he may fall flat on his face, bankrupt and homeless.

Last thing, and for heaven sake hear this. Do not say to yourself, “hey, I’m willing to risk it.” Just because you’re willing does not make it a good idea. Calculate your risk, determine what’s important…and go from there. All I’ve done with this little letter to some of you guys is explained the truth…nothing more.

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2007, 05:15:35 AM »
Well-said, arnie.

Life is a balance, for sure.  Unfortunately for many, the decisions to embark down this path are made at a point in time when the rest of life is pretty uncomplicated.  Young guy, early 20's, has a meaningless job (not a career or profession) that flows him enough cash to rent a crappy apartment, lease a car he can't afford, and watch football games on the huge flat screen television he bought at the BestBuy "no-money-down" sale with payments and interest that will take him 6 years to pay off.  He believes that bodybuilding is his life, and has no capacity to look ahead into the future beyond his next injection and his next creatine sh*t.

Then life sort of sneaks up on him.  Now he's in his 30's, his friends are all holding down stable jobs, starting families.  He keeps at it, though.  Same crappy apartment. bills piling up, no prospects for a good job.  Most girls won't even touch him because now the big fish in the pond just looks like a total gear-head with no future.  Pumping gear into himself with poorly-conceived cycles, huge dosages, Nubain to control his pain.  We've all seen that guy.

Don't be that guy.

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2007, 05:45:02 AM »
Great posts gentlemen!

i agree 100%, the biggest and strongest men i have ever met were the ones who pushed the envelope to the MAX. sure they have good genetics, train hard and eat well but it takes alot to be a large bodybuilder these days.

i think i have taken a calculated risk and i believe i've done pretty well adapting to this game but there is always more to be disired. i want to live a healthy life without having to worry about whats going to happen when i hit 60. that is why i've chosen another route in this game.

i've always followed the basics and stayed away from Slin and other drugs i find can be harmful like DNP. i think if you cannot get big off the basics then you have no right to be in this game, but that's just my opinion.

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2007, 02:02:37 PM »
you been smoking that shit again eh?
 
what i've  learned from this...more = less

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2007, 03:06:32 PM »
you been smoking that shit again eh?
 
what i've  learned from this...more = less

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Actually that wasn't the point at all...the exact opposite in a sense. This is not to say "more" equals "more" but in the end if it's the right guy, this may be the case more often then not.

Of the guys I know, I do not know one who competes nationally who follows "standard" protocol...for 99.9% of us, it is not possable.

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2007, 03:35:10 PM »
I got to thinking today about all the questions on this board. For the most part, most of the questions are legitimate, many of the questions are the same ones I had when I first started out with all of this stuff…so I’m more then happy to offer what little bit I do know to someone else, because others at one time did the same for me. Granted, there are some questions that get asked that are down right idiotic but that’s the nature of questions, there are good ones, not so good ones, and insanely weird ones.

But I’ve noticed a pattern for a while that has bothered me a little. Guys will come on here in the beginning asking the basic questions we all ask and as time goes by, their questions begin to evolve. As they evolve themselves into more sound bodybuilders and more educated individuals when it comes to the topic of performance enhancing drugs, there is one key flaw that seems to prevail.

Most are interested in doing things as properly as they can, with sound judgment therefore minimizing risk to the full extent plausible. Hey, there is nothing wrong with this and for the most part this sound judgment should be applauded.

However, in the end, most people come back over and over again, wondering how can they do things better? How can they reach the level of muscular development that they truly desire? At this stage, the person has more then likely gotten to the point where they more then likely do not follow the same protocol when it comes to this topic that they did in the beginning. As they evolve into better bodybuilders, they inevitably evolve into more of a risk taker when it comes to performance enhancing drugs.

It is at this point, many end up falling away from drug use themselves. They begin to realize that no matter what they do, they will never look like the guys they see on the covers of a magazine…that is unless their evolvement goes to a state way beyond what they have accepted so far.

Then we’re left with just a few, a very small minority. These individuals continue to grow as bodybuilders, they do not loose most of their size after coming off cycle. In fact, they get bigger an better each and every time. Why is this, what’s the secret, what’s the magic formula that most guys are missing? Is it genetics, is that all it is? We all know genetics play such a huge and important role in this game. Even with “good” genetics, most will never reach the magazine look. Yet there are those who even with sub-par genetics, continue to flourish each and every year and it is this fact that drives the majority of bodybuilders absolutely nuts!

So what’s the ticket you ask, please, please let me know this secret you cry. It’s actually quite simple and can be summed up with one word…RISK.

The guy who falls into this small minority does not follow the guided judgment of most performance enhancing drug users. He does not follow things like time on equals time off, he does not follow the basic safety procedures that many are accustomed to. His cycles are thoroughly planned out, but at a moments notice it will change if he notices even a slight stalemate in growth and production.
He has forgone the “play it safe” motto, and in the end he may very well pay for his decisions…then again he may not…time will tell. He understands this reality and accepts the risk and responsibility himself…even so, he’s still bigger and better then you.

Many of my closest friends are die hard bodybuilders. Many of these friends use large amounts of gear, and stay on indefinitely. Many of these same friends are national level competitors, hey, two of them are doing Nationals this wk end.

So that’s the truth. That’s the difference between him and you. Is this a fact set in stone? No, there are always exceptions, but in general you can bet your supply of test that it’s dead on the money.

This doesn’t mean you should say to yourself, “well crap, I guess I’m SOL!” Far from it. Playing it safe, is just that, playing it safe, and we all take certain risk in life to reach and achieve what we desire. A business man may put all he has into a future endeavor, in the end he may fall flat on his face, bankrupt and homeless.

Last thing, and for heaven sake hear this. Do not say to yourself, “hey, I’m willing to risk it.” Just because you’re willing does not make it a good idea. Calculate your risk, determine what’s important…and go from there. All I’ve done with this little letter to some of you guys is explained the truth…nothing more.


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Re: The Truth
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2007, 04:52:09 PM »
Actually that wasn't the point at all...the exact opposite in a sense. This is not to say "more" equals "more" but in the end if it's the right guy, this may be the case more often then not.

Of the guys I know, I do not know one who competes nationally who follows "standard" protocol...for 99.9% of us, it is not possable.

i was kidding bro..lol

dry humor,tough luv i guess

just stop deleting my posts  :-\

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2007, 05:08:00 PM »
Arnoldjr is right.  A way to sum this up would "You have to go out on the limb to reach the fruit". 

If you really want to be big there is going to be some risk.  I mean..c'mon guys, how big do you honestly think you will grow to only test e 500mg a week alone?  I need to get Flex Wheeler's book and maybe he tells what the real amounts are?  Lol, closet we get on here is Milos tells us he does use insulin. 


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Re: The Truth
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2007, 07:55:28 PM »
i was kidding bro..lol

dry humor,tough luv i guess

just stop deleting my posts  :-\
Have I been deleting your post? Honestly, Rim and I do end up removing a good deal of crap from the board from time to time, but I don't keep up with who's post I deleted...that is unless it's a constant thing then I have no choice but to notice...in this case I'll usually send a warning via PM to the guy.

You know, BS comments on some level are fine...nothing wrong with having fun...busting balls, fine too...but there is a fine line between what's cool and what's not...especially on this section of the board due to the nature of most of the topics/questions.

Now I will admit this, if a guy has been here on this board for a while, I'm apt to give him a little more leeway. Simply because we who've been part of this section have gotten accustomed to each others lingo and can tell if some sort of hate remark is just in good fun or if it's a baseless attack...see what I mean?

Arnoldjr is right.  A way to sum this up would "You have to go out on the limb to reach the fruit". 


I like this...I'm going to have to steal that saying from you! :)

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2007, 08:06:35 PM »
strange post...sounds like it was meant for people who have a juice problems its like anno girls never think they are skinny enough well juice heads never feel big enough. most my friends always say they dont want to look like me and i dont even feel big at all just normal but no one else feels that way and all the juice heads i know feel the same way that they arent big enough...im actually becoming bothered by being called a roider its lik F you its not up for discussion...anyone could do it if they get their hands on it...and most guys really want to do it..the truth is they are either too scared or not dedicated enough.. and then they want to talk shit saying its cheating reallly pisses me off just jealous bitches, i dont clown on them for being weak..well maybe somtimes not sure ha sorry for the run off

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2007, 08:24:48 PM »
strange post...sounds like it was meant for people who have a juice problems its like anno girls never think they are skinny enough well juice heads never feel big enough. most my friends always say they dont want to look like me and i dont even feel big at all just normal but no one else feels that way and all the juice heads i know feel the same way that they arent big enough...im actually becoming bothered by being called a roider its lik F you its not up for discussion...anyone could do it if they get their hands on it...and most guys really want to do it..the truth is they are either too scared or not dedicated enough.. and then they want to talk shit saying its cheating reallly pisses me off just jealous bitches, i dont clown on them for being weak..well maybe somtimes not sure ha sorry for the run off

Actually, this thread was started based upon the number of PM's and emails I get on a daily basis that are surrounded by this topic. For example:

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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2007, 09:47:26 PM »
damn how many you get a day... at least your helping people who are looking up to you ;D

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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2007, 10:11:21 PM »
Lets take this to an entirely higher level.  I'm going to be hypothetical here, so bare with me. 

If you aren't competing or don't plan on being as big as a house with a goal in mind (power lifting, bodybuilding, modeling, pro sports etc) what business do you have being on?  As far as most should be concerned, it's a big risk to take for vanity.  Think about it, jail, infection, permanently modifying your bodies hormonal balance.  There are a myriad of problems that you can run into from just simple, small cycles. 

I happen to have an extreme personality that has gotten me into trouble but has also helped propel me high levels of achievement in sport and career.  If I am going to stick a needle in my ass every other day, I'm gonna fill that f**ker up and make sure I get the best bang for the buck and I'll do that with the goal of WINNING competitions.  Crack out the slin, mix up the GH and pop the tops on some test... I'm goin' in!

Not everybody is capable of doing this.  For most they lack either finances or testicular fortitude.  Advances have never been made without major risk.  You hit the nail on the head when you mention calculating your risk.  It's all about ROI.  If I am not going to get a good return on my investment of time money and risk, i'm going to rethink.

If you wanna look good and get in shape, anyone can do that with a decent diet and training 3 times a week.
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Re: The Truth
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2007, 04:49:48 AM »
Lets take this to an entirely higher level.  I'm going to be hypothetical here, so bare with me. 

If you aren't competing or don't plan on being as big as a house with a goal in mind (power lifting, bodybuilding, modeling, pro sports etc) what business do you have being on?  As far as most should be concerned, it's a big risk to take for vanity.  Think about it, jail, infection, permanently modifying your bodies hormonal balance.  There are a myriad of problems that you can run into from just simple, small cycles. 

I happen to have an extreme personality that has gotten me into trouble but has also helped propel me high levels of achievement in sport and career.  If I am going to stick a needle in my ass every other day, I'm gonna fill that f**ker up and make sure I get the best bang for the buck and I'll do that with the goal of WINNING competitions.  Crack out the slin, mix up the GH and pop the tops on some test... I'm goin' in!

Not everybody is capable of doing this.  For most they lack either finances or testicular fortitude.  Advances have never been made without major risk.  You hit the nail on the head when you mention calculating your risk.  It's all about ROI.  If I am not going to get a good return on my investment of time money and risk, i'm going to rethink.

If you wanna look good and get in shape, anyone can do that with a decent diet and training 3 times a week.

Love it!

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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2007, 11:00:26 AM »
Lets take this to an entirely higher level.  I'm going to be hypothetical here, so bare with me. 

If you aren't competing or don't plan on being as big as a house with a goal in mind (power lifting, bodybuilding, modeling, pro sports etc) what business do you have being on?  As far as most should be concerned, it's a big risk to take for vanity.  Think about it, jail, infection, permanently modifying your bodies hormonal balance.  There are a myriad of problems that you can run into from just simple, small cycles. 

I happen to have an extreme personality that has gotten me into trouble but has also helped propel me high levels of achievement in sport and career.  If I am going to stick a needle in my ass every other day, I'm gonna fill that f**ker up and make sure I get the best bang for the buck and I'll do that with the goal of WINNING competitions.  Crack out the slin, mix up the GH and pop the tops on some test... I'm goin' in!

Not everybody is capable of doing this.  For most they lack either finances or testicular fortitude.  Advances have never been made without major risk.  You hit the nail on the head when you mention calculating your risk.  It's all about ROI.  If I am not going to get a good return on my investment of time money and risk, i'm going to rethink.

If you wanna look good and get in shape, anyone can do that with a decent diet and training 3 times a week.

"testicular fortitude" excelant!

Great post...agree big time!

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2007, 11:17:07 AM »
strange post...sounds like it was meant for people who have a juice problems its like anno girls never think they are skinny enough well juice heads never feel big enough. most my friends always say they dont want to look like me and i dont even feel big at all just normal but no one else feels that way and all the juice heads i know feel the same way that they arent big enough...im actually becoming bothered by being called a roider its lik F you its not up for discussion...anyone could do it if they get their hands on it...and most guys really want to do it..the truth is they are either too scared or not dedicated enough.. and then they want to talk shit saying its cheating reallly pisses me off just jealous bitches, i dont clown on them for being weak..well maybe somtimes not sure ha sorry for the run off

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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2007, 05:33:46 PM »
Lets take this to an entirely higher level.  I'm going to be hypothetical here, so bare with me. 

If you aren't competing or don't plan on being as big as a house with a goal in mind (power lifting, bodybuilding, modeling, pro sports etc) what business do you have being on?  As far as most should be concerned, it's a big risk to take for vanity.  Think about it, jail, infection, permanently modifying your bodies hormonal balance.  There are a myriad of problems that you can run into from just simple, small cycles. 

I happen to have an extreme personality that has gotten me into trouble but has also helped propel me high levels of achievement in sport and career.  If I am going to stick a needle in my ass every other day, I'm gonna fill that f**ker up and make sure I get the best bang for the buck and I'll do that with the goal of WINNING competitions.  Crack out the slin, mix up the GH and pop the tops on some test... I'm goin' in!

Not everybody is capable of doing this.  For most they lack either finances or testicular fortitude.  Advances have never been made without major risk.  You hit the nail on the head when you mention calculating your risk.  It's all about ROI.  If I am not going to get a good return on my investment of time money and risk, i'm going to rethink.

If you wanna look good and get in shape, anyone can do that with a decent diet and training 3 times a week.

what business of yours is it to question somebody who uses?

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permanently modifying your body's hormones with a moderate cycle?

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2007, 05:39:01 PM »
yeaaaaaa boy

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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2007, 06:22:51 PM »
what business of yours is it to question somebody who uses?

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permanently modifying your body's hormones with a moderate cycle?

laugh.




Yeah, the stuff weren't exactly intended for BBing when they invented it anyway. ANd, what do most BBers get to show prize money winning wise, or taht will support him from its use? Hell, a average construction worker would have more to gain.
I doubt the prize money pays the drug bill for lots of top competitors.

The idea that theis stuff can only be used by high level competitive BBers is stupid. As if thats a all Holy cause.

Now the idea of abusing the hell out of it to a level you KNOW is unhealthy is another story.
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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2007, 06:32:16 PM »
Yeah, the stuff weren't exactly intended for BBing when they invented it anyway. ANd, what do most BBers get to show prize money winning wise, or taht will support him from its use? Hell, a average construction worker would have more to gain.
I doubt the prize money pays the drug bill for lots of top competitors.

The idea that theis stuff can only be used by high level competitive BBers is stupid. As if thats a all Holy cause.

Now the idea of abusing the hell out of it to a level you KNOW is unhealthy is another story.
Make your own choices in life.
 

What prize money? These guys cant even afford their grocery bill from contest winnings because most don't get a check for being a lower level tiered pro. Sad as it is, not all that compete get a check and if they do, might be $1000 for top ten finish. Sure the O and the Arnold have big prize money but if you are not in the top 5, forget about it, your starving!

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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2007, 06:38:20 PM »
Yeah, tahts why its a little absurd to use BBing comp as a rationalization for use. If I want to use the stuff I will. For whatever its good for.

But using it so its not harmfull. The idea that Kamikaze is the only way to benefit is flawed.

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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2007, 06:55:06 PM »
Yeah, tahts why its a little absurd to use BBing comp as a rationalization for use. If I want to use the stuff I will. For whatever its good for.

But using it so its not harmfull. The idea that Kamikaze is the only way to benefit is flawed.


I agree 1000%

Even though I will be competiting nationally, I am not for the intention of going pro. Doing it for me as it has always been a goal, if I get spanked, great, if not, great, might go another round. But does not dictate why I use.

Honestly, since using, I feel better mentally more so than the physical aspects. Low test sucks and will not go back to how I felt when my system crashed from "Natural" supplements

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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2007, 07:28:16 PM »
I'd like to clarify as I may have miscomunicated in my original post. 

I'll never tell anyone that they should or should be on.  I was simply using it as an example.  Gear is a TOOL just like a barbell, a piece of chicken or your multivitamin.  If there is a tool that will help you get a job done (i.e. attain a GOAL), then my all means, you should go get that tool. 

So lets take this analogy further.  Lets say you're putting up a fence in your back yard.  I'm pretty sure you aren't going to go out and buy a backhoe with an auger attachment to drill your post holes.  Think of the damage to your lawn!  It would be overkill.  Just go get a post digger at Home Depot or even a gas auger if you've got lots of poles to ground.  Post diggers and augers are like creatine and protein.  Backhoes are like a gram of test.  When you build a castle, the post digger won't cut it.

Bottom line is, examine your goals and decide what tools you'll NEED to get there.  Just cause you aren't competing, doesn't mean you don't want to be big as a house, right?
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2007, 08:37:24 PM »
I'd like to clarify as I may have miscomunicated in my original post. 

I'll never tell anyone that they should or should be on.  I was simply using it as an example.  Gear is a TOOL just like a barbell, a piece of chicken or your multivitamin.  If there is a tool that will help you get a job done (i.e. attain a GOAL), then my all means, you should go get that tool. 

So lets take this analogy further.  Lets say you're putting up a fence in your back yard.  I'm pretty sure you aren't going to go out and buy a backhoe with an auger attachment to drill your post holes.  Think of the damage to your lawn!  It would be overkill.  Just go get a post digger at Home Depot or even a gas auger if you've got lots of poles to ground.  Post diggers and augers are like creatine and protein.  Backhoes are like a gram of test.  When you build a castle, the post digger won't cut it.

Bottom line is, examine your goals and decide what tools you'll NEED to get there.  Just cause you aren't competing, doesn't mean you don't want to be big as a house, right?

........hmmmm.....sounds good to me :)

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Re: The Truth
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2007, 08:46:17 PM »
i feel less equals more but everyone is on their own agenda with their roid use