how does aas cause bloating and water rentention?

[Tom]

so how does aas cause these and which ones cause the bloating and retention? and so why do them in the first place?

[blowitup]

how many threads will you start in a day?

[Tom]

who cares how many threads i start in one day? i'm serious about wanting answers and knowledge and you post a backhanded reply of that it gets to you how many post i make?

[Rimbaud]

so how does aas cause these and which ones cause the bloating and retention? and so why do them in the first place?

Simple. They build muscle.

[Overload]

so how does aas cause these and which ones cause the bloating and retention? and so why do them in the first place?

Test converts to estrogen, estrogen makes you retain water.

[trab]

Why do them?
You mean the AAS taht cause more water retention or why do steroids at all?

[Arnold jr]

Test converts to estrogen, estrogen makes you retain water.

Yes, but for those that don't know, this is not necessarily a bad thing...far from it.

[RDW]

Test converts to estrogen, estrogen makes you retain water.

As OL stated testosterone and other androgens (hormones responsible for masculine characteristics) can aromatize into estrogens (primarily estradiol).  These estrogens increase loose lipid levels in the form of adipose tissue (fat)and water weight.  This is why women have much higher body fat levels than men (Given two comparably healthy individuals).  As AJ said this isn't necessarily a bad thing.  The increased loose adipose acts as a nutrient transport to the muscles and allows for greater strength.  This is why fat people are often stronger and why they think their fat is more muscle than it actually is.

[krazee]

As OL stated testosterone and other androgens (hormones responsible for masculine characteristics) can aromatize into estrogens (primarily estradiol).  These estrogens increase loose lipid levels in the form of adipose tissue (fat)and water weight.  This is why women have much higher body fat levels than men (Given two comparably healthy individuals).  As AJ said this isn't necessarily a bad thing.  The increased loose adipose acts as a nutrient transport to the muscles and allows for greater strength.  This is why fat people are often stronger and why they think their fat is more muscle than it actually is.

So now I know why most powerlifters are so heavy...more rounded than cut...well it might be changing if you take Marious Pudowsky(wrong spelling I know) from poland into account.

Overload, are you more of a powerlifter? I think I got that from your posts...but you stay a little leaner than most right?

[Overload]

Overload, are you more of a powerlifter? I think I got that from your posts...but you stay a little leaner than most right?

Yes, i've been competeing in powerlifting the last 7 years. i try to stay near my competition weight of 220. i tend to stay around 230-235 with 10-12% bodyfat most of the offseason.

[krazee]

Yes, i've been competeing in powerlifting the last 7 years. i try to stay near my competition weight of 220. i tend to stay around 230-235 with 10-12% bodyfat most of the offseason.

How do you find competing in powerlifting as opposed to bodybuilding? What I mean is, is there the same amount of politics as bodybuilding, or is pretty much shut up and lift?

[Overload]

How do you find competing in powerlifting as opposed to bodybuilding? What I mean is, is there the same amount of politics as bodybuilding, or is pretty much shut up and lift?

Excellent question.

Not the same level of politics by any means, BBing has A TON of bullshit behind the scenes. powerlifters might get a friendly white light every now and then but there isn't much to get complicated because it's all out in the open for everyone to see. there are no score cards, just 3 judges and the lifts are usually obviously good or bad. still lots of bad calls happen, more and more these days. the half squat is quickly sweeping the nation, mainly due to these crazy suits they use today. in a certian suit you simply cannot get low enough because they are so tight, i don't like half reps, i was taught to squat until your body stops and then press up. they never told us to stop at a certian point, let your bodys flexibility judge how deep you go.

i have also been a judge for USAPL, WABDL and APA. i have been approached by chairmen in certian feds to be "open" in my judging for certian lifters, mainly guys with sponsers...that's all i can really say.

i will say that powerlifters are much more helpful and they don't talk too much shit, most of them just shut up and lift. most of the guys will help you in any way possible, even if you are about to make an attempt that could beat them in that event, they still help. i noticed BBers will bullshit you alot about carbing up and pre stage prep, they want you to mess up. they play mind games that are very childish but it's been like that since the beginning.

[krazee]

Excellent question.

Not the same level of politics by any means, BBing has A TON of bullshit behind the scenes. powerlifters might get a friendly white light every now and then but there isn't much to get complicated because it's all out in the open for everyone to see. there are no score cards, just 3 judges and the lifts are usually obviously good or bad. still lots of bad calls happen, more and more these days. the half squat is quickly sweeping the nation, mainly due to these crazy suits they use today. in a certian suit you simply cannot get low enough because they are so tight, i don't like half reps, i was taught to squat until your body stops and then press up. they never told us to stop at a certian point, let your bodys flexibility judge how deep you go.

i have also been a judge for USAPL, WABDL and APA. i have been approached by chairmen in certian feds to be "open" in my judging for certian lifters, mainly guys with sponsers...that's all i can really say.

i will say that powerlifters are much more helpful and they don't talk too much shit, most of them just shut up and lift. most of the guys will help you in any way possible, even if you are about to make an attempt that could beat them in that event, they still help. i noticed BBers will bullshit you alot about carbing up and pre stage prep, they want you to mess up. they play mind games that are very childish but it's been like that since the beginning.

Ya unfortunatley everything seems to be going the political way. If it's not money that is pursuaing the judges it's the threats. Really to bad. I'm sure back in the day there was politics but no way was it as bad as it is today. Sorry state for bodybuilding and hopefully it don't get that bad in powerlifting.

As far as helpfulness, I have to tend to agree, powerlifters are always willing to help. I have a buddy that does it and it's like a tight knit community, I remember he was training and giving tips to a guy he would be competing against in less than a month. I've always taken the powerlifting aproach as far as lifting, always wanted to lift the most as that is what I strted the whole game for. Ya through the years I have calmed down as my joints can't take it anymore. But every once in awhile I'll push the limits with the weight. And go nuts. I feel better when I lift heavy and feel it more then lifting for reps. Although sometimes I go that way to, just for my cardio point of few.

Do you think that these bench shirts and squat suits (think thats what you call them) is starting to go a little overboard. Back in the day it wasn't as predominant as it is today, or am I wrong?

[warrant800]

Tom,

Go to a site like anabolicreview.com and start doing some research....If you are for real.....The guys in here can smell bullshit a mile away....what does LE mean....?  That question is like asking a Blood gang member if he is in a gang and having him reply,"what's a gang?"   Dummy

[Overload]

Ya unfortunatley everything seems to be going the political way. If it's not money that is pursuaing the judges it's the threats. Really to bad. I'm sure back in the day there was politics but no way was it as bad as it is today. Sorry state for bodybuilding and hopefully it don't get that bad in powerlifting.

As far as helpfulness, I have to tend to agree, powerlifters are always willing to help. I have a buddy that does it and it's like a tight knit community, I remember he was training and giving tips to a guy he would be competing against in less than a month. I've always taken the powerlifting aproach as far as lifting, always wanted to lift the most as that is what I strted the whole game for. Ya through the years I have calmed down as my joints can't take it anymore. But every once in awhile I'll push the limits with the weight. And go nuts. I feel better when I lift heavy and feel it more then lifting for reps. Although sometimes I go that way to, just for my cardio point of few.

Do you think that these bench shirts and squat suits (think thats what you call them) is starting to go a little overboard. Back in the day it wasn't as predominant as it is today, or am I wrong?

You are correct. i cycle back and forth between a powerlifting protocol and a bodybuilding protocol every 3 months. this allows my joints to take a rest and also it mixes things up and keeps me growing.

the bench shirts and suits are ruining powerlifting IMO. sure, i like to see guys bench big numbers but we have guys snapping arms in half trying to bench 300 pounds over their RAW max, just doesn't make sense to me. the super tight squat suits are preventing these lifters from getting deep like they used to in the 80's and early 90's. if you haven't worn a suit it's hard to explain but it's very hard to squat deep in a tight suit, in fact it's quite painful. i got 110 pounds out of a single ply squat suit after 4 weeks of using it. our backs, knees and hips were not meant to make load bearing jumps like that. injuries are much more common and will continue to rise. broken legs, blown out kness...etc.

i would really like to see powerlifting go back towards RAW lifting. i think the people will lean more towards RAW lifting in the next 5 years or so. at least i hope they do.

[krazee]

You are correct. i cycle back and forth between a powerlifting protocol and a bodybuilding protocol every 3 months. this allows my joints to take a rest and also it mixes things up and keeps me growing.

the bench shirts and suits are ruining powerlifting IMO. sure, i like to see guys bench big numbers but we have guys snapping arms in half trying to bench 300 pounds over their RAW max, just doesn't make sense to me. the super tight squat suits are preventing these lifters from getting deep like they used to in the 80's and early 90's. if you haven't worn a suit it's hard to explain but it's very hard to squat deep in a tight suit, in fact it's quite painful. i got 110 pounds out of a single ply squat suit after 4 weeks of using it. our backs, knees and hips were not meant to make load bearing jumps like that. injuries are much more common and will continue to rise. broken legs, blown out kness...etc.

i would really like to see powerlifting go back towards RAW lifting. i think the people will lean more towards RAW lifting in the next 5 years or so. at least i hope they do.

I tried a squat suit once, to be honest I got it up to my nuts and said forget it. I truly don't know how you guys do it. That shit is tight. As I understand the whole concept of the suits that are worn, I like you agree that they should go back to the old days of true lifting. We are not all made equally and competitions such as this are supposed to show this. I love watching the competitions as it is true raw power that moves the weight. A true squat is balls to the floor and that is what builds our legs from a bodybuilding stance to there truest potential. I have done a few programs for powerlifting and really enjoy the benifits I get from it. My favorite is the squat,deadlift,benchpress routine...usually went 3 days Mon,Wed and Fri split. Care to share any others that you have gotten your truest benifit from?

[Overload]

I tried a squat suit once, to be honest I got it up to my nuts and said forget it. I truly don't know how you guys do it. That shit is tight. As I understand the whole concept of the suits that are worn, I like you agree that they should go back to the old days of true lifting. We are not all made equally and competitions such as this are supposed to show this. I love watching the competitions as it is true raw power that moves the weight. A true squat is balls to the floor and that is what builds our legs from a bodybuilding stance to there truest potential. I have done a few programs for powerlifting and really enjoy the benifits I get from it. My favorite is the squat,deadlift,benchpress routine...usually went 3 days Mon,Wed and Fri split. Care to share any others that you have gotten your truest benifit from?

i agree with everything you said.

it takes alot of baby powder and muscle to get into a tight squat suit. i actually wore myself out putting on a suit one time...lol...it took me 20 minutes of tugging to get that bastard on. i was pouring in sweat by the time i got done.

i've tried about every powerlifting protocol i could find. my favorite is westside barbell by far. lots of chains and board presses. a good lifter with good form should be able to add 50 pounds to his RAW bench after a few months of heavy chain work and board presses.

[trab]

I think many BBers form is so poor inthe bench that +50lbs is conservative.
IMO They'll aslo be LESS injury prone learning a tigher elbows in form. Even with heavier plate.



I absolutely laugh my ass off at gym bench press most the time.
I dont know where all these "320lb x 11-20 reps" Get Big benchers hang, but it sure as hell aint in the several comercial gyms Ive belongd to. Shit even my visit to Golds venice inthe 80's
was a dissapointment considering the GB guys here casual bench talk. I suspect that the plates sliding off the bar ends of a crooked ass bech is more like it.

[Overload]

I think many BBers form is so poor inthe bench that +50lbs is conservative.
IMO They'll aslo be LESS injury prone learning a tigher elbows in form. Even with heavier plate.



I absolutely laugh my ass off at gym bench press most the time.
I dont know where all these "320lb x 11-20 reps" Get Big benchers hang, but it sure as hell aint in the several comercial gyms Ive belongd to. Shit even my visit to Golds venice inthe 80's
was a dissapointment considering the GB guys here casual bench talk. I suspect that the plates sliding off the bar ends of a crooked ass bech is more like it.

I agree.

i've trained at some of the best gyms in Texas and i very rarely see anyone bench over 315 for reps. i've seen a few big guys do 405 for a few reps, but these guys were almost 300 pounds. even at my local powerlifting gym i rarely see a 200 pound man bench over 365 for a few reps. there are a few 300+ pound guys pressing over 500 pounds but these are massive guys that i never see in a normal gym.

there is this big black guy at the LA fitness i go to that inclines 315 for 8-10 perfect reps with no spotter. this guy is probably 6'2" and 280 pounds of muscle. he looks like he should compete but he said he just lifts for fun. his wife is really strong as well, i've seen her squat 225 for 25 reps ass to grass and i doubt she weighs over 130. she has very nice legs and a great ass!

[Arnold jr]

I agree.

i've trained at some of the best gyms in Texas and i very rarely see anyone bench over 315 for reps. i've seen a few big guys do 405 for a few reps, but these guys were almost 300 pounds. even at my local powerlifting gym i rarely see a 200 pound man bench over 365 for a few reps. there are a few 300+ pound guys pressing over 500 pounds but these are massive guys that i never see in a normal gym.

there is this big black guy at the LA fitness i go to that inclines 315 for 8-10 perfect reps with no spotter. this guy is probably 6'2" and 280 pounds of muscle. he looks like he should compete but he said he just lifts for fun. his wife is really strong as well, i've seen her squat 225 for 25 reps ass to grass and i doubt she weighs over 130. she has very nice legs and a great ass!

These guys are out there, just few and far between.

The animal I train with now and then that I've mentioned a time or two.
Chest last wk: flat bench
225x15,
315x15
405x8,
455x5

[Overload]

These guys are out there, just few and far between.

The animal I train with now and then that I've mentioned a time or two.
Chest last wk: flat bench
225x15,
315x15
405x8,
455x5

How much does he weigh?

that's a very strong person.

with proper training he could press 500 very quickly.