Strict barbell rows with 405 ? 455 ?

[Stu]

No, moron, they rowed at roughly a 70 degree angle because it shifts the stress from the erector spinae to the latissimus dorsi. Have you ever tried holding 405 in a completely bent over state, let alone then row it? The Yates row is at the optimal angle because it allows for the greatest poundage (stress on the lats) to be used. This is the main reason Dorian and Ronnie's backs were lightyears ahead of anyone elses.

Nasser did them this way and his back wasnt "light years ahead of everyone else", the notion that a single exersise makes that much difference("light years") is quite frankly absurd!

[England_1]

Nasser did them this way and his back wasnt "light years ahead of everyone else", the notion that a single exersise makes that much difference("light years") is quite frankly absurd!

That's becuase, as seen on Nasser's BFTO 1996, Nasser's range of motion was horrible on rows. In fact, it was more like a shrug than a row.

If you want proof of this look at these two videos of Yates doing rows and Nasser doing rows and tell me which one will have a more developed latissimus dorsi 

[thewickedtruth]

if no matter hwo you do them...it hits the targeted muscles..does it really matter?! 

[Stu]

oh sure, im not arguing that but you seemed to imply that the sole reason for yates and coleman having a back light years ahead of everyone else was down to this magical 70 degree row, i say no one movement makes that much difference and their back development was probably mainly down to good genetics for that bodypart

[thewickedtruth]

That's becuase, as seen on Nasser's BFTO 1996, Nasser's range of motion was horrible on rows. In fact, it was more like a shrug than a row.

If you want proof of this look at these two videos of Yates doing rows and Nasser doing rows and tell me which one will have a more developed latissimus dorsi 

if you think nasser is bad..you should see jonnie jackson do them in the youtube vid ronnie vs jonnie

[thewickedtruth]

this is what the world thinks a yates row is..

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[England_1]

oh sure, im not arguing that but you seemed to imply that the sole reason for yates and coleman having a back light years ahead of everyone else was down to this magical 70 degree row, i say no one movement makes that much difference and their back development was probably mainly down to good genetics for that bodypart
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Actually, in Dorian's book he notes the reverse grip barbell row as the single exercise the best built his back up 

[mesmorph78]

i have a verrry strong lower back...
but i sure dont them parallel... i used to
the lower back would give out before my lats and middle back was worked..
and that way has given me great results...

[LatsMcGee]

Complete bullshit.

[Mars]

that yates row is more for ego lifters, moving the bar an inch with a lot of weight on it. doesnt look too beneficial for building muscle.

[webcake]

that yates row is more for ego lifters, moving the bar an inch with a lot of weight on it. doesnt look too beneficial for building muscle.

Well it seemed to work for him.

[Mars]

yeah everything works with that drugs regime and genetics. some pros train like ass, and look how amazing they look.
maybe he would have had a better back if he did them paralel to the ground, who knows.

[webcake]

Who knows, was the reverse grip row the reason or a contributing factor to his bicep tear? Ive tried them and found the biceps came into play more as opposed to using a regular grip for barbell rows. Still, could have just been me.

[Mars]

thats because they do come into play with that grip, thats why i dont like doing them that way.

[BigCypriate]

thats because they do come into play with that grip, thats why i dont like doing them that way.

I stopped doing rows and stuff like that, i'm just shooting for the health look these days

I find that some good stretching every morning is all the backwork I need these days Mars

[Mars]

are you done too with the good old days bro?

[BigCypriate]

are you done too with the good old days bro?

yes my bro, all that freeweight stuff only leads to disaster in the end. I wanna be around to see my kids grow older

[webcake]

yes my bro, all that freeweight stuff only leads to disaster in the end. I wanna be around to see my kids grow older

You really think that? I don't know how you use to train, but it shouldn't really do any harm to you in the long run, i mean its not gonna take years off your life.

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

The great Glenn Pendlay could row 500+ strict.

[Mars]

yeah but the way we used to lift is not real healthy bro.

[BigCypriate]

You really think that? I don't know how you use to train, but it shouldn't really do any harm to you in the long run, i mean its not gonna take years off your life.

listen you might be caughht up in the exitement from watching pumping iron for the first time, but in the long run you'll probably end up in a wheelchair. 2-3 years of freeweights is enough and then it's safer to move onto bodyweight exercises for maintenance

[webcake]

listen you might be caughht up in the exitement from watching pumping iron for the first time, but in the long run you'll probably end up in a wheelchair. 2-3 years of freeweights is enough and then it's safer to move onto bodyweight exercises for maintenance

I don't know mate, i know a lot who have lifted for a very long time and they are in great health. Still, might come down to the type of training you do, but i feel what i do isn't gonna do me any harm.

[BigCypriate]

I don't know mate, i know a lot who have lifted for a very long time and they are in great health. Still, might come down to the type of training you do, but i feel what i do isn't gonna do me any harm.

well it's your life mate, but i'm sure as hell not gonna let a barbell ruin mine.

[Mars]

He was a great man.

[Monster81]

that chair was made of real gold