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As you’ve probably seen, there are a some similarities between Horus and Jesus although somewhat overstated by some, yet there are indeed similarities... but check this out, this gets better...  Cleopatra declare herself to be Isis, and Julius Caesar was voted the title Divus (God).

Isis, while not exactly giving birth to Horus as a Virgin was still seen as sort of a eternal virgin. James Frazer's writes in The Golden Bough:
The ritual of the nativity, as it appears to have been celebrated in Syria and Egypt, was remarkable. The celebrants retired into certain inner shrines, from which at midnight they issued with a loud cry, "The Virgin has brought forth! The light is waxing!" The Egyptians even represented the new-born sun by the image of an infant which on his birthday, the winter solstice, they brought forth and exhibited to his worshippers. No doubt the Virgin who thus conceived and bore a son on the twenty-fifth of December was the great Oriental goddess whom the Semites called the Heavenly Virgin or simply the Heavenly Goddess."

Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra. To mark Caesarion’s birth, Cleopatra issued a coin that depicted her and her son as sacred figures. Cleopatra is portrayed as Isis suckling Caesarion, who is depicted as Horus. He was proclaimed "King of Kings" and recognized for a time in Egypt as the son of God and heir to God’s kingdom, the Roman Empire. Cleopatra sent Caesarion out of Egypt to India for his safety when his life was in danger by Octavius. He was reported as being captured and killed, but it seems there‘s some speculation as to the truth in the reporting of his death. Caesarion in hiding from Octavius would have had to go under a different name.  What name would, son of Isis(cleopatra), Horus incarnate choose?

Quote from: The Final Reformation  by C.J. Koster
“Isis-system is found in A. Kircher, Oedipus Aegypticus, wherein the
name of the son of Isis is revealed to us as "Iessus, which signifies Issa, whom they also called Christ in Greek."

Scrolls from an Indian monastery were translated in the 1800’s showing a young man arrived from a Mediterranean country at 14.  His name was Issa!  Issa was remarkably similar to Jesus, performing miracles and teaching before going back many years later.

“Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet. He claimed that, at the lamasery or monastery of Hemis in Ladakh, he learned of the "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men." His story, with a translated text of the "Life of Saint Issa," was published in French in 1894 as La vie inconnue de Jesus Christ. It was subsequently translated into English, German, Spanish, and Italian.  The "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men" purportedly recounts the travels of one known in the East as Saint Issa, whom Notovitch identified as Jesus. After initially doubting Notovitch, a disciple of Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Abhedananda, journeyed to Tibet, investigated his claim, helped translate part of the document, and later championed his views.”

Is Jesus really Caesarion, the son of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar?  Very interesting!!!

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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2007, 03:11:39 AM »
Can I see your references please?
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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2007, 11:48:26 AM »
Two of the major items are referenced,

The Nicolas Notovitch part was from a wiki entry.  Now his work pissed off a lot of people so it's not hard to find the scrolls called a hoax.  But the issue I have with that is that while one skeptic said he went there and never found the scrolls, another skeptic went there and did find and translate them.  No suprise to me that the pissed off guy who went there wasn't shown shit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Notovitch

The rest was from recollection and I believe some of it is pretty common knowledge about Cleopatra and Julius C being Isis and god.

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2007, 02:23:42 PM »
Two of the major items are referenced,

The Nicolas Notovitch part was from a wiki entry.  Now his work pissed off a lot of people so it's not hard to find the scrolls called a hoax.  But the issue I have with that is that while one skeptic said he went there and never found the scrolls, another skeptic went there and did find and translate them.  No suprise to me that the pissed off guy who went there wasn't shown shit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Notovitch

The rest was from recollection and I believe some of it is pretty common knowledge about Cleopatra and Julius C being Isis and god.

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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2007, 02:43:07 PM »
What do you think?  I think it's a very intriguing possibility!

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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2007, 09:27:29 AM »
Is Jesus really Caesarion, the son of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar?  Very interesting!!!
No.

Was Kennedy really Lincoln?
 
It is relatively easy to find seemingly meaningful patterns relating any two people or events, but such patterns often do not stand up to rigorous scrutiny.

Lincoln Kennedy coincidences

Both presidents were elected to the presidency in '60.

Both presidents were elected to the House of Representatives in '46.

Both were runners-up for the party's nomination for vice-president in '56.

Both assassins were born in '39.

Both successors were Southern Democrats named Johnson born in '08.

Both presidents were concerned with the problems of American blacks and made their view strongly known in '63. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1862, which became law in 1863. In 1963, Kennedy presented his reports to Congress on Civil Rights, and the same year was the famous March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.

Both presidents were shot in the head.

Both presidents were shot on a Friday.

Lincoln was shot at Ford's Theatre. Kennedy was shot in a Ford car; a Lincoln limousine.

Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy who told him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy had a secretary
named Evelyn Lincoln (whose husband Harold's nickname was Abe), and she warned him not to go to Dallas.
 
Both Oswald and Booth were assassinated before they could be put on trial.

Lincoln and Kennedy each have 7 letters.

John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald each have 15 letters.

There are 6 letters in each Johnson's first name.

Booth shot Lincoln in a theater and hid in a warehouse, while Oswald shot Kennedy in a warehouse and hid in a theater.

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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2007, 09:40:58 AM »
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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2008, 09:24:18 PM »
Ok, tell me more about what's known of Jesus in his early years in egypt. ANYBODY ANYBODY??!?!?!??!?! >:( :)  They did flee there right??? ANYBODY ANYBODY??????????????????????????????????

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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2008, 09:59:01 AM »
Ok, tell me more about what's known of Jesus in his early years in egypt. ANYBODY ANYBODY??!?!?!??!?! >:( :)  They did flee there right??? ANYBODY ANYBODY??????????????????????????????????

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2008, 10:59:52 AM »
Ok, tell me more about what's known of Jesus in his early years in egypt. ANYBODY ANYBODY??!?!?!??!?! >:( :)  They did flee there right??? ANYBODY ANYBODY??????????????????????????????????

Read Lamb by Christopher Moore.  It tells all about Jesus' early years.

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2008, 04:03:15 AM »
I'm starting to wonder about his more... More info I'm digging into leads down this path.  This is becoming very interesting to me.  Be open minded on this, tell me why this is not possible.  I'm finding stuff that leads me to OMG, WOW...

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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2008, 04:05:00 AM »
Read Lamb by Christopher Moore.  It tells all about Jesus' early years.
Give a brief synopsis.

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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2008, 10:02:57 AM »
Here...click a link and read.

http://www.bookbrowse.com/reviews/index.cfm?book_number=1009
first of all, I approach this with seriousness so I'm not real receptive of the smart ass approach of, "here, click a link and read" like I'm a total dipshit. 

Why on earth should I read past this BS?

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How about you post a summary of your opinion and post a link to back it up if you must.  What's your problem, I ask for a brief synopsis and you can't do that, you have to post some pizza BS?  You can't type out a few words summing up your thoughts on it? ::)

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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2008, 10:56:51 AM »
As you’ve probably seen, there are a some similarities between Horus and Jesus although somewhat overstated by some, yet there are indeed similarities... but check this out, this gets better...  Cleopatra declare herself to be Isis, and Julius Caesar was voted the title Divus (God).

Isis, while not exactly giving birth to Horus as a Virgin was still seen as sort of a eternal virgin. James Frazer's writes in The Golden Bough:
The ritual of the nativity, as it appears to have been celebrated in Syria and Egypt, was remarkable. The celebrants retired into certain inner shrines, from which at midnight they issued with a loud cry, "The Virgin has brought forth! The light is waxing!" The Egyptians even represented the new-born sun by the image of an infant which on his birthday, the winter solstice, they brought forth and exhibited to his worshippers. No doubt the Virgin who thus conceived and bore a son on the twenty-fifth of December was the great Oriental goddess whom the Semites called the Heavenly Virgin or simply the Heavenly Goddess."

Virgin? She turned herself into a bird and did the wild thing with her dead husband, Osiris. To top it all off, she had to use a substitute penis, as that of Osiris was missing after Set dismembered him. I don't think that quite matches the Nativity story.

Jesus' birth (from the Gospels) was "celebrated" once by someone outside His early family: The shepherds, mentioned in Luke. Nowhere else in Scripture is there a record of an annual observation of Jesus' birth (aside from what would normally be done for any other Jewish boy on his birthday; and the New Testament doesn't even go into that). The Magi find Jesus about two years later but nothing in the gospel of Matthew suggest that they did so on His birthday.




Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra. To mark Caesarion’s birth, Cleopatra issued a coin that depicted her and her son as sacred figures. Cleopatra is portrayed as Isis suckling Caesarion, who is depicted as Horus. He was proclaimed "King of Kings" and recognized for a time in Egypt as the son of God and heir to God’s kingdom, the Roman Empire. Cleopatra sent Caesarion out of Egypt to India for his safety when his life was in danger by Octavius. He was reported as being captured and killed, but it seems there‘s some speculation as to the truth in the reporting of his death. Caesarion in hiding from Octavius would have had to go under a different name.  What name would, son of Isis(cleopatra), Horus incarnate choose?

Babylon's Nebuchadnezzar was called "King of Kings", too. That don't make him Jesus Christ.


Scrolls from an Indian monastery were translated in the 1800’s showing a young man arrived from a Mediterranean country at 14.  His name was Issa!  Issa was remarkably similar to Jesus, performing miracles and teaching before going back many years later.

“Nicolas Notovitch, visited India and Tibet. He claimed that, at the lamasery or monastery of Hemis in Ladakh, he learned of the "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men." His story, with a translated text of the "Life of Saint Issa," was published in French in 1894 as La vie inconnue de Jesus Christ. It was subsequently translated into English, German, Spanish, and Italian.  The "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men" purportedly recounts the travels of one known in the East as Saint Issa, whom Notovitch identified as Jesus. After initially doubting Notovitch, a disciple of Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Abhedananda, journeyed to Tibet, investigated his claim, helped translate part of the document, and later championed his views.”

Is Jesus really Caesarion, the son of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar?  Very interesting!!!

Interesting, perhaps!! But the answer is an emphatic NO!!!

Horus was "reborn" as an infant, not resurrected from the dead as an adult (with the wounds suffered from his death, still present). To top it all off, Horus didn't die to save anyone, let alone all of mankind.

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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2008, 11:52:33 AM »
Hugo, have you ever read "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel?  I'm reading it now... I think you may find it very interesting.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2008, 12:41:22 PM »
first of all, I approach this with seriousness so I'm not real receptive of the smart ass approach of, "here, click a link and read" like I'm a total dipshit. 

Why on earth should I read past this BS?

I am sorry to see that you take a religious discussion on a bodybuilding post so damn seriously.  If you want to debate and discuss religion, theology and the meaning of life, seems like there should be better places to do it than getbig.  I doubt many of the narcissistic denizens of getbig are too big on any religion beyond the worship of self.

I provided a link to several summaries and reviews of Lamb to give you a good idea about the content of the book.  How hard is it for you to click on a link and read a few?

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« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2008, 12:46:24 PM »
I am sorry to see that you take a religious discussion on a bodybuilding post so damn seriously.  If you want to debate and discuss religion, theology and the meaning of life, seems like there should be better places to do it than getbig.  I doubt many of the narcissistic denizens of getbig are too big on any religion beyond the worship of self.

I provided a link to several summaries and reviews of Lamb to give you a good idea about the content of the book.  How hard is it for you to click on a link and read a few?
You started with the sarcasm bro, not me.  I asked for a summary/opinion before you posted any links and you came with that crap.  Don't be shocked when you get a piss off response.  And yes, Ron established this forum on getbig and he didn't do it for it not to be taken serious.  If you don't want serious, he's created an erea for that too.  Save the crap for "be owned or be stoned"  and sorry, I'm not getting into the wwf pizza link for answers ::)

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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2008, 12:50:05 PM »
Hugo, have you ever read "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel?  I'm reading it now... I think you may find it very interesting.
He's an Intelligent design advocate, I'll probably miss that one :)

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2008, 12:56:00 PM »
You started with the sarcasm bro, not me.  I asked for a summary before you posted any links and you came with that crap.  Don't be shocked when you get a piss off response.  And yes, Ron established this forum on getbig and he didn't do it for it not to be taken serious.  If you don't want serious, he's created an erea for that too.  Save the crap for "be owned or be stoned"  and sorry, I'm not getting into the wwf pizza link for answers ::)

Sorry, but I think you are taking this theory way too seriously.  You are probably very receptive to modern conspiracy theories if you put much credence into the BS you spout on your first posting. 

Besides, I don't ever remember seeing anything that said that the Religious Debates & Threads board had to be taken seriously at all times.  Moore's book, while irreverant and amusing, brings up many great questions and is quite thought provoking.  It is just as valid as your crazy theory that Jesus is the son of Cleopatra and Julius Caesar.  ::)

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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2008, 01:19:16 PM »
Sorry, but I think you are taking this theory way too seriously.  You are probably very receptive to modern conspiracy theories if you put much credence into the BS you spout on your first posting. 

Besides, I don't ever remember seeing anything that said that the Religious Debates & Threads board had to be taken seriously at all times.  Moore's book, while irreverant and amusing, brings up many great questions and is quite thought provoking.  It is just as valid as your crazy theory that Jesus is the son of Cleopatra and Marc Antony.  ::)
Ok numbnuts, If you read my first post, I called my thoughts and stuff I dug up "interesting"  Don't try an paint it like I run some conspiracy site on the matter ::)  Next time you might bypass this bullshit by just stating what you stated in this post quoted, like that was so hard to do. ::)  In other words, if you don't have a freaking opinion, zip it.

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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2008, 07:28:01 PM »
Ok numbnuts, If you read my first post, I called my thoughts and stuff I dug up "interesting"  Don't try an paint it like I run some conspiracy site on the matter ::)  Next time you might bypass this bullshit by just stating what you stated in this post quoted, like that was so hard to do. ::)  In other words, if you don't have a freaking opinion, zip it.

Based on this post, I would say that you are seeking attention:

Ok, tell me more about what's known of Jesus in his early years in egypt. ANYBODY ANYBODY??!?!?!??!?! >:( :)  They did flee there right??? ANYBODY ANYBODY??????????????????????????????????

I do have an opinion...I think that you are grasping at straws and are annoyed that no one will discuss this topic with you. 

Here's another theory you can consider:  http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma.html  This web site has the theory that Julius Caesar was Jesus.  Has just as much credence as the theory that Jesus is the son of Caesar and Cleopatra.

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Re: Was Caesarion, the son of Julius Caesar and Cleopatra really Jesus???
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2008, 07:48:24 PM »
Ok, tell me more about what's known of Jesus in his early years in egypt. ANYBODY ANYBODY??!?!?!??!?! >:( :)  They did flee there right??? ANYBODY ANYBODY??????????????????????????????????

If there was no human Jesus and he is/was simply a gnostic invention, crucified and slain in 'another realm', then you need not know anything about Jesus' early years. If on the other hand you believe that he was a human being, then it begs the question of where the hell he was between his magic shows and his birth as a result of partheogenesis, doesn't it?

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2008, 10:50:39 AM »
If there was no human Jesus and he is/was simply a gnostic invention, crucified and slain in 'another realm', then you need not know anything about Jesus' early years. If on the other hand you believe that he was a human being, then it begs the question of where the hell he was between his magic shows and his birth as a result of partheogenesis, doesn't it?



The allegedly-begged question has long been answered. The Gospels have accounts on Him as a baby (Luke), a two-year old toddler (Matthew), and a twelve-year old boy (Luke). From birth to, at least, age 12, Joseph and Mary take Jesus to the Temple in Jerusalem every year. After that, it basically goes that Jesus followed in His earthly father's profession, carpentry (Mark).

Mark 6:3, "'Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?' So, they were offended at Him."

Luke records that Jesus didn't start His ministry, until He was around 30. So, unless you can think of what early writers would find interesting about the life and times of a Jewish carpenter for about two decades, there really isn't an issue as far as His early life is concerned.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2008, 05:47:39 PM »
The allegedly-begged question has long been answered. The Gospels have accounts on Him as a baby (Luke), a two-year old toddler (Matthew), and a twelve-year old boy (Luke). From birth to, at least, age 12, Joseph and Mary take Jesus to the Temple in Jerusalem every year. After that, it basically goes that Jesus followed in His earthly father's profession, carpentry (Mark).

Mark 6:3, "'Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, Joses, Judas, and Simon? And are not His sisters here with us?' So, they were offended at Him."

Luke records that Jesus didn't start His ministry, until He was around 30. So, unless you can think of what early writers would find interesting about the life and times of a Jewish carpenter for about two decades, there really isn't an issue as far as His early life is concerned.


Since you believe the 4 Canonical gospels are factual, accurate accounts with ZERO errors in them what do you think of the Apocryphal Gospels?
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