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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2007, 10:39:42 AM »
Dorian looks great in those 93 pre-contest shots - probably the best he's ever looked - but he still gets outmatched by Ronnie's 02 pre-contest pics. Almost every bodybuilder looks better a couple of weeks out posing in a gym. So it's unfair to compare a pre-contest pic of Dorian to a contest pic of Ronnie.






Brutal, these are pre 03 Olympia. Not 02.

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #76 on: November 18, 2007, 10:42:30 AM »
NO he doesn't if you knew the criteria you'd know in all the mandatory poses they looked for the following

Muscular Size - Dorian is 269 pounds

Ronnie in the 02 BFTO is 275 lbs. Therefore, he beats Dorian in muscular size.

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Conditioning - Dorian conditioning is legendary

The purpose of conditioning is to display separations and striations - NOT to look smooth as a baby's ass. Ronnie wins here. If you claim Dorian has better conditioning b/c he's "harder," then I'll object that Ronnie's harder. You are assuming a tactile perception based off a picture. Unless you were present to touch their muscles at the time, you can't defend your comment anymore than I can.

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Density - Again Yates

Density is a property of conditioning. See above.

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Balance & proportion - Yates period.

Dorian beats Ronnie here but not by much. Ronnie looked very symmetrical in the 02 BFTO.

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Posing - Yates again

agreed.

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #77 on: November 18, 2007, 10:42:36 AM »
Why can't people just agree that they were EACH the best bodybuilders of their time ???

Dorian was unmatched in his time and

Ronnie was unmatched in his time! Both INCREDIBLE bodybuilders.

Nobody likes a gut but it's almost impossible to maintain that much mass without eating tremendous amounts of food. Hence, the gut. I don't want to hear all of the GH and Insulin arguments either ;D BTW, something to take into account with that argument is that almost all of the pro's are using the same stuff and only the super massive BBr's have the gut.

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #78 on: November 18, 2007, 10:48:53 AM »
Brutal, these are pre 03 Olympia. Not 02.

Ronnie trained in the same home gym in both the 02 and 03 BFTO. That's why both sets look very similar.

02 BFTO



03 BFTO



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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #79 on: November 18, 2007, 10:56:54 AM »
dorian calves are bigger than his arms at that weight.

so much for such perfect proportions.. ::)
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #80 on: November 18, 2007, 11:01:50 AM »
dorian calves are bigger than his arms at that weight.

so much for such perfect proportions.. ::)

I Don't think you'll ever hear someone complain cause their calves are bigger than their arms ;)

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #81 on: November 18, 2007, 11:03:19 AM »
I Don't think you'll ever hear someone complain cause their calves are bigger than their arms

my calves are bigger than my arms. I must admit, it's quite a nice "problem" to have. :)

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #82 on: November 18, 2007, 11:03:32 AM »
I Don't think you'll ever hear someone complain cause their calves are bigger than their arms ;)

normally no.

but ND goes on about how much better dorian's proportions are than Ronnie, and how perfect he is, when it is in fact total bullshit.

real life never matches up with an ND post.

never has.

probably never will..
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #83 on: November 18, 2007, 11:15:12 AM »
Ronnie in the 02 BFTO is 275 lbs. Therefore, he beats Dorian in muscular size.

The purpose of conditioning is to display separations and striations - NOT to look smooth as a baby's ass. Ronnie wins here. If you claim Dorian has better conditioning b/c he's "harder," then I'll object that Ronnie's harder. You are assuming a tactile perception based off a picture. Unless you were present to touch their muscles at the time, you can't defend your comment anymore than I can.

Density is a property of conditioning. See above.

Dorian beats Ronnie here but not by much. Ronnie looked very symmetrical in the 02 BFTO.

agreed.

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Ronnie in the 02 BFTO is 275 lbs. Therefore, he beats Dorian in muscular size.

6 pounds isn't much especially considering he's an inch shorter and the extra size isn't conditioned mass

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The purpose of conditioning is to display separations and striations - NOT to look smooth as a baby's ass. Ronnie wins here. If you claim Dorian has better conditioning b/c he's "harder," then I'll object that Ronnie's harder. You are assuming a tactile perception based off a picture. Unless you were present to touch their muscles at the time, you can't defend your comment anymore than I can.

Dorian has plenty of striations , separations and vascularity , conditioning also includes how dry and hard one his and this is two areas Dorian is noted for and you can object all you want it doesn't change the fact and I can defend my opinion by stating specifically that Kevin Horton has seen and photographed every Mr Olympia for years and he has said Dorian's conditioning at 285 pounds was UNMATCHED so this render your objection moot

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Density is a property of conditioning. See above.
which you didn't know until I explain it to you  ;) just like our next topic

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Dorian beats Ronnie here but not by much. Ronnie looked very symmetrical in the 02 BFTO.

well you're partially right Dorian does beat Ronnie here and its BY a LOT not ' not by much ' as you claim and Ronnie's ' symmetry ' suffers greatly the heavier he gets this is old news at the 02 BFTO its at his all-time worse and no where near as good as Dorian's no way no how ! I mean its night & day and a 6 pound ' advantage ' could never compensate for that , lets say its almost equal he still has NO calves or forearms major liability compared to Yates who has everything else Ronnie has an then some

Now posing & presentation another advantage for Dorian and why? because he's a better technical poser , he hits his poses correctly and effectively shows his physique off to its greatest advantage



recap Dorian has 99% of the size of Ronnie , better conditioning , better balance & proportion , better poser , is more complete that means Dorian would beat ANY Ronnie with ease 2003 included .

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #84 on: November 18, 2007, 11:17:53 AM »
dorian calves are bigger than his arms at that weight.

so much for such perfect proportions.. ::)

You're so full of shit its pathetic and easily proven wrong Yates has equal proportions in his arms and calves unlike Ronnie who calves are forearms are the same size nevermind his biceps/triceps

You're to used to looking at Ronnie's twigs and think thats how they're supposed to look

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #85 on: November 18, 2007, 11:20:44 AM »
normally no.

but ND goes on about how much better dorian's proportions are than Ronnie, and how perfect he is, when it is in fact total bullshit.

real life never matches up with an ND post.

never has.

probably never will..

Yeah like you would know more than Dorian who said specifically compared to Ronnie his balance was better Opppppssssssssss someone looks really stupid right now and again like you would know more than an IFBB judge

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .


Any other bullshit claims you need crushed?

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #86 on: November 18, 2007, 11:26:33 AM »
post the most muscular shot of dorian flexing his arms, delts, chest and quads in the video and then we will see how your claims hold up.

LOL

that will never happen.

ND fears reality. it exposes his bullshit.
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #87 on: November 18, 2007, 11:32:03 AM »
post the most muscular shot of dorian flexing his arms, delts, chest and quads in the video and then we will see how your claims hold up.

LOL

that will never happen.

ND fears reality. it exposes his bullshit.

Hulkster your nonsense is crushed period ONE shot doesn't prove anything its all the mandatories combined if you knew how competitive bodybuilding is judged you'd know this but then again look who we're talking about the guy who is using photoshopped pics and who's claiming Ronnie's calves have more detail than Dorians lol

anything else I can correct for you ?

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .


Maybe you missed this quote from and IFBB judge?

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #88 on: November 18, 2007, 11:32:19 AM »
look how crappy dorian's shitty arms are compared to his back.

like I said, ND fears reality:

it exposes his bullshit.
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #89 on: November 18, 2007, 11:32:52 AM »
look how crappy dorian's twig arms are compared to his back.

like I said, ND fears reality:

it exposes his bullshit.

 ;)

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #90 on: November 18, 2007, 11:34:23 AM »
His arms are just as big as his calves  ;)

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .


Notice the reference to Ronnie? the big guy with a load of massive parts just thrown together

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #91 on: November 18, 2007, 11:34:33 AM »
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Hulkster your nonsense is crushed period ONE shot doesn't prove anything its all the mandatories combined

wrong. it shows how crappy his arms, delts chest and quads are in comparison to Ronnie Coleman.

and besides, dorian loses almost every mandatory anyway.

remember the 99 shots that all you can do is claim that they are all photoshopped because they are so much better than dorian? ::)
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #92 on: November 18, 2007, 11:36:19 AM »
and here we have pure garbage from knees up.

thanks ND.

your bullshit orgasms have been falsified.
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #93 on: November 18, 2007, 11:38:02 AM »
wrong. it shows how crappy his arms, delts chest and quads are in comparison to Ronnie Coleman.

and besides, dorian loses almost every mandatory anyway.

remember the 99 shots that all you can do is claim that they are all photoshopped because they are so much better than dorian? ::)

Again I provided PROOF you're using photoshopped pics it has NOTHING to do with Dorian lol it has to do with your desperation and Bizzy admitted to ' adjusting ' the pics lol loser

Ronnie 99 VS Dorian at 269 LMFAO go away now

NO contest

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #94 on: November 18, 2007, 11:38:31 AM »
look how crappy dorian's shitty arms are compared to his back.

like I said, ND fears reality:

it exposes his bullshit.



Look how crappy Coleman's triceps and calves are compared to his back

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #95 on: November 18, 2007, 11:39:28 AM »
and here we have pure garbage from knees up.

thanks ND.

your bullshit orgasms have been falsified.

meltdown continues lol you're crushed just like you were when you seen the 1995 most muscular you cried photoshopped and the irony is you're now reduced to using photoshopped pics lol

Dorian OWNS Ronnie kid , sorry no contest .

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #96 on: November 18, 2007, 11:39:58 AM »


Dorian's legs are SICK just sick , his quads his hams and his calves not to mention how they all compliment each other in size & proportion and how they are balanced with his upper body

Ronnie can't touch this NO ONE can

you think better than Platz?  Please explain how

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #97 on: November 18, 2007, 11:40:05 AM »
ronnie 99 destroys dorian, even when ND says he looks better here than any of his olympia wins.,. ::) ::)
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #98 on: November 18, 2007, 11:41:09 AM »
now that is grainy
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #99 on: November 18, 2007, 11:41:29 AM »
not even Platz?


I think the reference was to the entire package. Platz was one of the most disproportionate olympians of all time. Admittedly, with preposterously huge legs