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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #300 on: November 22, 2007, 12:51:23 AM »
That comparison is embarrassingly bad for Coleman  :-X

Dorian's legs are BLOWING AWAY Ron's  :-*
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #301 on: November 22, 2007, 01:01:37 AM »
Just watched the video again. Yep, Yates blows 'em away  8)
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #302 on: November 22, 2007, 01:07:26 AM »
Yea, That is a blurry pic of Ronnie so we'll
try a different leg shot... and because I'm a
nice guy I'll throw in a pic of Yates when he
really is in shape.

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #303 on: November 22, 2007, 05:25:16 AM »
Yea, That is a blurry pic of Ronnie so we'll
try a different leg shot... and because I'm a
nice guy I'll throw in a pic of Yates when he
really is in shape.


Hey Mr " nice guy " you think you accomplished anything with that comparison?

some points to ponder Dorian's footage is a compressed very poor quality Youtube screen capture , he's untanned , has no posing oil and no contest lighting and the Ronnie screen capture is from a DVD he's contest ready tanned , posing oil and contest light and you've admitted to ' adjusting ' pictures before so its safe to assume you've played with this one and you think you accomplished something ?

and your gift is a nice clear shot of Dorian when you say he's ' really in shape ' a year when his legs were down but still defined though again not an accurate comparison , and I'll bet the farm Dorian in that 93 vid is in just as good as shape as he was in 1996 .

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #304 on: November 22, 2007, 05:50:36 AM »
Yea, That is a blurry pic of Ronnie so we'll
try a different QUAD shot... and because I'm a
nice guy I'll throw in a pic of Yates when he
really is in shape.

I fixed that for you  ;) and what good does it have in having any advantage in ' quads ' when your legs still lack any balance & proportion? its redundant the only real advantage Ronnie is is better separation of the rectus femoris and Yates is separated but Ronnie's is more visible but again Dorian's satorius and tensor fasciae latae are more separated than Ronnies so any advantage Ronnie has is lost in other areas , Hulkster was fond of clinging to just one area and claiming some ' victory ' but when all things are considered its a different story .

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #305 on: November 22, 2007, 09:31:07 AM »
what good does it have in having any advantage in ' quads ' when your legs still lack any balance & proportion?

that's like saying "what good is having balance and proportion when you lack size?" How many Mr. Olympias did Bob Paris win? Exactly. Don't downplay the importance of one criteria just to make your boy compare more favorably. Ronnie's thighs more than make up for his sub-par calves.

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its redundant the only real advantage Ronnie is is better separation of the rectus femoris and Yates is separated but Ronnie's is more visible but again Dorian's satorius and tensor fasciae latae are more separated than Ronnies so any advantage Ronnie has is lost in other areas

Ronnie's thighs are bigger, more shapely, and have better separations and striations.














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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #306 on: November 22, 2007, 10:35:51 AM »
that's like saying "what good is having balance and proportion when you lack size?" How many Mr. Olympias did Bob Paris win? Exactly. Don't downplay the importance of one criteria just to make your boy compare more favorably. Ronnie's thighs more than make up for his sub-par calves.

Ronnie's thighs are bigger, more shapely, and have better separations and striations.














Bigger, yes. Not a good thing. Looks out of proportion with his upper body and DWARFS his calves.
More seperated? Definatley. No argument there. Always holding water in his thighs though.
More shapely? BULLSHIT!
His legs look like fucked up turnips. For you to say his legs are more shapely shows that you drink the Ronnie kool-aid just as bad as Hulkster.
His legs look fucked up.

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #307 on: November 22, 2007, 02:13:54 PM »
that's like saying "what good is having balance and proportion when you lack size?" How many Mr. Olympias did Bob Paris win? Exactly. Don't downplay the importance of one criteria just to make your boy compare more favorably. Ronnie's thighs more than make up for his sub-par calves.

Ronnie's thighs are bigger, more shapely, and have better separations and striations.






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that's like saying "what good is having balance and proportion when you lack size?" How many Mr. Olympias did Bob Paris win? Exactly. Don't downplay the importance of one criteria just to make your boy compare more favorably. Ronnie's thighs more than make up for his sub-par calves.

Bad analogy Bob Paris lacked size , conditioning Dorian doesn't . No Ronnie thighs don't make up for his sub-par calves thats fantasy on your part they only serve to ruin his leg balance WOW WEE he has big quads does he have balanced legs? NO does he have any development in his calves NO two strikes kid , Ronnie is incomplete there is no escaping that and no matter how great his thighs were thats still a major liability compared to someone who has better balance & proportion  , someone with better density & conditioning and someone who is complete

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Ronnie's thighs are bigger, more shapely, and have better separations and striations.

Ronnie's thighs are more bigger sure , more shapely ? thats a matter of taste I personally don't think so  better separations ? NO true thats a fallacy you people keep claiming and its simply not true , with the exception of the rectus femoris which Ronnie has a clear advantage in Dorian shows just as good separation in the other areas of the quads and better separation of the satorius and tensor fasciae latae but you're like Hulkster and only count the pluses and forget the minuses

Bottom line Ronnie may have better quads but does he have better legs? NO and why? worse calves of any Mr Olympia ontop of being injected with something , they lack any development and separation couple that with no proportion in relation to the quads and Ronnie is behind period , stop trying to accumulate parts Hulkster does this constantly heed your own advice and stop trying to downplay the importance of ALL THE CRITERIA

the pictures you posted Ronnie has the advantage in muscular bulk but is that bulk conditioned bulk? does it show great density? NO he's very good but Dorian is 269 pounds bone dry & rock hard but we'll still give the bulk advantage to Ronnie

does he have a advantage in conditioning & density ? NO Dorian's conditioning is legendary and Ronnie's isn't , he may have come close or matched Yates for that bone dry & rock hard condition but only when he was very light 247 pounds the heavier Ronnie became the more his conditioning suffered for it , hence why Peter McGough said at the 2003 Olympia that he prefered Ronnie's 01 ASC showing specifically because he was ' harder or more detailed '

See this is one advantage that you people will never be able to counter and try and try you guys have lol is balance & proportion there is NO contest between the two and never will be Ronnie is a collection of massive parts by his own admission his goal was to develop all the muscles to their maximum size potential regardless if they didn't match up proportion wise

Dorian would beat Ronnie because he has clear advantages in conditioning & density , balance & proportion , completeness and having the fewest flaws , Ronnie depending on the year has a clear size advantage but he's lacking in to many areas to beat Dorian , any size advantage would be rendered moot.

I love how people always break it down to parts , "  Ronnie has better quads " but does Ronnie have a better abdominal and thigh pose? NO " Ronnie has a better chest " does Ronnie have a better side chest pose? NO " Ronnie has better arms " does Ronnie have a better side triceps shot? NO Dorian despite his flaws still looks outstanding in most of the mandatory poses , he has wider hips & waist than Ronnie and Coleman has the edge in taper but does Coleman have a better front latspread? NO

Ronnie does have some advantages in parts , clear cut advantages but overall does his parts make the superior whole? NO and why? they're always lacking in that balance & proportion .

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #308 on: November 22, 2007, 02:53:32 PM »
Bad analogy Bob Paris lacked size , conditioning Dorian doesn't.

Bob Paris lacked size relative to other top bodybuilders. Similarly, Dorian's thighs lacked size compared to another top olympia, Ronnie. Dorian's quads were narrow from the front and almost overpowered by his calves. My analogy still stands.

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No Ronnie thighs don't make up for his sub-par calves thats fantasy on your part they only serve to ruin his leg balance WOW WEE he has big quads does he have balanced legs? NO does he have any development in his calves NO two strikes kid , Ronnie is incomplete there is no escaping that and no matter how great his thighs were thats still a major liability compared to someone who has better balance & proportion  , someone with better density & conditioning and someone who is complete

wow, you're a dumbass. Everyone marvel at how balanced Dorian's legs are!!! Let's forget that criteria like muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape don't matter. ::)




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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #309 on: November 22, 2007, 03:28:29 PM »
I'll keep the Ronnie/Yates debate on the Truce thread.
This may be an interesting read for you all from Peter McGough
at Ironage. Although I think Peter may be a little biased
concerning Dorian; (Heck they are friends as well as countrymen)
he also gained respect with alot of people when implying Coleman
POSSIBLY could have been the best of all time @ the 2001 AC.
That may be a good question for ND to ask him since he posts over there.
(Whether Peter meant on stage or anytime.)

From Peter:

I'm amazed a video exists and it has taken this long to surface The shoot was in July 1993 SEVEN (not 3) weeks out from the Mr. O and Dorian weighed 269 pounds. The only people at the shoot were Kevin Horton (photographing it), Kerry Kayes, Stuart Cosgrove (Dorian's physio) Dorian's wife Debbie and me and my wife Anne. (Oh, and a guy called Dorian Yateds was there.) Dorian was pretty insistent about a closed set so the video really surprises me. I'm thinking Stuart must have shot it without anyone knowing and somehow it found its way to Roger Shelley who was also friend of Stuart and they lived in the same area. I'm sure Dorian doesn't know it exists otherwise he would have used it before now.

At the '93 Dorian came in at 257 pounds and he caused a sensation but I still say that had he kept at 269 -- dropped a little water -- he would have caused an even bigger sensation. He agrees.  And he I, Stuart, Kevin and Kerry say that we ere the lucky few who saw Dorian Yates (on that day seven weeks out from the O) at his greatest ever.

A different topic but still a pretty interesting read from Peter concerning Yates.

1) Lee Haney was definitely the winner in ’91. He was in his best-ever shape, full and hard (not as hard as ’84 but bigger and fuller). He also dominated the event in exuding the confidence and the demeanor of an unbeatable champ. His posing to Excalibur (to which he also posed in ’84) was in my opinion one of the most rousing posing exhibitions ever.
2) Dorian did win the second round (muscularity), but knew after the prejudging that Haney deserved to win. Jeff, do you remember when Dorian and Lee were engaged in their first muscular comparison (with Vince Taylor) and they did the rear lat spread, Dorian’s left lat didn’t flex? Dorian didn’t realize it at the time. Later Dorian and Lee were called for the last comparison.
3) The morning after the contest Lee Haney told me that having seen pics of Dorian from the previous May’s NOC, was a motivating factor in him getting into the shape he did. Not the sole motivator, but one of them. The main one being his need to go out at his all-time best.
4) Dorian is sometimes highlighted as the guy who ended the Ironage. However in training spirit, in working balls-to-the-wall for every ounce of muscle, he personified the work ethic approach of the Ironage.
5) In 1993 Dorian won the O weighing (257 pounds), 15 pounds heavier than ’92 – where he had been over-depleted, so the 15-pound gain wasn’t "genuine". He should have been heavier in ’92.
6) Dorian’s O bodyweights were:
’92: 242 pounds
’93: 257 pounds
’94: 260 pounds
’95: 255 pounds
’96: 257 pounds
’97: 265 pounds
So from ’93 onwards his bodyweight didn’t increase that much.  He wasn’t involved in a crazy annual race for more size.
7) Against the background of ever more and more exotic drugs coming into b/b, it is interesting that Dorian would be in shape two weeks out, having lost all the bodyfat he needed to. From then on he would manipulate his water and sodium levels in the last 72 hours, and invariably be the hardest man onstage. He did all this while retaining his energy levels, was never close to passing out, and didn’t understand why other guys had to resort to "voodoo methods" (his words) in the last few days before a contest. 

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #310 on: November 22, 2007, 03:31:53 PM »
Bob Paris lacked size relative to other top bodybuilders. Similarly, Dorian's thighs lacked size compared to another top olympia, Ronnie. Dorian's quads were narrow from the front and almost overpowered by his calves. My analogy still stands.

wow, you're a dumbass. Everyone marvel at how balanced Dorian's legs are!!! Let's forget that criteria like muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape don't matter. ::)



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Bob Paris lacked size relative to other top bodybuilders. Similarly, Dorian's thighs lacked size compared to another top olympia, Ronnie. Dorian's quads were narrow from the front and almost overpowered by his calves. My analogy still stands.

WRONG , wrong and oh wrong , Paris didn't lack size relative to other top bodybuilders that another ignorant claim of yours , Paris was 226 pounds at the 1988 Mr Olympia compared to Strydom who was the same height and weighed just 3 more pounds he was one of the heavier competitors at the 88 Olympia

Dorian's quads lack size it doesn't matter , stop clinging to parts wow Ronnie's quads are bigger who cares? do his legs have great balance & proportion ? NO does his gigantic quads help his ab-dominal and thigh pose? NO

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wow, you're a dumbass. Everyone marvel at how balanced Dorian's legs are!!! Let's forget that criteria like muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape don't matter. ::)

I'm talking about Dorian at his best which is in this video 269 pounds bone dry & rock hard , near flawless balance & proportion , NO weaknesses and its not just his legs that are balanced its his whole physique top to bottom , and you people love to go on about separations how about the separations in Ronnie's calves? Oppps thats right he doesn't have any , what about his back ? the heavier he got the separation goes bye bye in his back 2003 Olympia his back lacked that great separation it had when he was lighter , what about his midsection does it show great separation in the abdominals? serattus , intercostals? NO

Striations another paper advantage and why? Dorian has striated pics , triceps , intercostals , obliques , glutes , and striated lower lats and erector spinae that Ronnie would never match yet you people cling to this bull shit claim because Ronnie may have more he's better NONSENSE

Dorian beats Ronnie 2001 because he much bigger , has equal if not better conditioning & density , has much better balance & proportion , is more complete and is a better technical poser

Dorian beats Ronnie 2003 because he has 95% of Ronnie size , much better conditioning & density , much better balance & proportion , is more complete and is a better technical poser

Pick a year Dorian satisfies the criteria better than Ronnie , right off the bat Balance & proportion is on Dorian's side any year you pick against Ronnie , depending on the year Dorian is better conditioned and has better density than Ronnie , although Ronnie may have equaled him when he was much lighter , Dorian depending on the year is bigger , I mean any year you pick you're fucked because Dorian has advantages


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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #311 on: November 22, 2007, 04:55:39 PM »
Bob Paris lacked size relative to other top bodybuilders. Similarly, Dorian's thighs lacked size compared to another top olympia, Ronnie. Dorian's quads were narrow from the front and almost overpowered by his calves. My analogy still stands.

wow, you're a dumbass. Everyone marvel at how balanced Dorian's legs are!!! Let's forget that criteria like muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape don't matter. ::)






lol look at that.

comparing dorian's quads to ronnie's is like comparing horse shit to ice cream.. :-\
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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #312 on: November 22, 2007, 05:22:36 PM »

lol look at that.

comparing dorian's quads to ronnie's is like comparing horse shit to ice cream.. :-\

Keep trying to add up parts kid  ;) maybe someday Ronnie will come close to Dorian Yates

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #313 on: November 22, 2007, 05:37:39 PM »
Keep trying to add up parts kid  ;) maybe someday Ronnie will come close to Dorian Yates

ironic since Ronnie has won 8 olympias, and more wins than anyone else alive..

and dorian won 6 Os and could not cut the mustard to win the Arnold.

dorian's post tear condition would have lost the Arnold to some of the versions of Flex and Kevin that showed up at the AC over the years..

they always seemed to peak for the Arnold, and could not get it together for the O.

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #314 on: November 22, 2007, 05:50:01 PM »
ironic since Ronnie has won 8 olympias, and more wins than anyone else alive..

and dorian won 6 Os and could not cut the mustard to win the Arnold.

dorian's post tear condition would have lost the Arnold to some of the versions of Flex and Kevin that showed up at the AC over the years..

they always seemed to peak for the Arnold, and could not get it together for the O.



You type as if the Arnold means anything , Dorian said he was never interested in competing in the Arnold because there was ONE contest and that was the Olympia , he would do the euro tour after the Olympia and ride his Olympia conditioning out and earn some extra cash but he had no desire to compete in any other the early shows

and his competitive record is impressive but is his win/loss ratio?  ;) your typical move mistaking quantity with quality , Dorian dominated everyone , Ronnie had many close calls with ho-hum competition guys past their prime

Ronnie never faced anyone of Dorian's caliber someone who could match him for size and width and back who was better conditioned and was more complete and had balance & proportion that Ronnie could only dream of , Dorian is Ronnie's worse nightmare

Flex and Ronnie faced each other I believe 12 times with both beating each other six times , Dorian beat Flex every time they faced each other

Dorian 88% win/loss
Ronnie 40%

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #315 on: November 22, 2007, 05:53:31 PM »
You type as if the Arnold means anything , Dorian said he was never interested in competing in the Arnold because there was ONE contest and that was the Olympia , he would do the euro tour after the Olympia and ride his Olympia conditioning out and earn some extra cash but he had no desire to compete in any other the early shows

and his competitive record is impressive but is his win/loss ratio?  ;) your typical move mistaking quantity with quality , Dorian dominated everyone , Ronnie had many close calls with ho-hum competition guys past their prime

Ronnie never faced anyone of Dorian's caliber someone who could match him for size and width and back who was better conditioned and was more complete and had balance & proportion that Ronnie could only dream of , Dorian is Ronnie's worse nightmare

Flex and Ronnie faced each other I believe 12 times with both beating each other six times , Dorian beat Flex every time they faced each other

Dorian 88% win/loss
Ronnie 40%
Dorian is the New England Patriots to Ronnie's Indianapolis Colts.
Hahaha.

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #316 on: November 22, 2007, 05:57:39 PM »
Dorian is the New England Patriots to Ronnie's Indianapolis Colts.
Hahaha.

Great analogy.  :)

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #317 on: November 22, 2007, 06:00:54 PM »
Dorian's quads lack size it doesn't matter , stop clinging to parts wow Ronnie's quads are bigger who cares? do his legs have great balance & proportion ? NO does his gigantic quads help his ab-dominal and thigh pose? NO

to use your argument against you, do Dorian's legs have great separations and striations? No. If they did, he wouldn't have to turn them outwards in every front pose to display his inner thighs. He has good definition in his sartorius muscle and that's it. Whoop-tee-f*cking-doo!

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I'm talking about Dorian at his best which is in this video 269 pounds bone dry & rock hard

ha ha ha ha. Sorry, but "bone dry and rock hard" doesn't look like the Pillsbury Doughboy. Where are the cuts?





this is what dry and shredded looks like.



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you people love to go on about separations how about the separations in Ronnie's calves? Oppps thats right he doesn't have any

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #318 on: November 22, 2007, 06:04:46 PM »
"bone dry and rock hard"  ::)




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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #319 on: November 22, 2007, 06:09:39 PM »
to use your argument against you, do Dorian's legs have great separations and striations? No. If they did, he wouldn't have to turn them outwards in every front pose to display his inner thighs. He has good definition in his sartorius muscle and that's it. Whoop-tee-f*cking-doo!

ha ha ha ha. Sorry, but "bone dry and rock hard" doesn't look like the Pillsbury Doughboy. Where are the cuts?





this is what dry and shredded looks like.



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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #320 on: November 22, 2007, 06:10:53 PM »

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #321 on: November 22, 2007, 06:13:01 PM »
Dorian's legs were weird looking period, they lacked the classic sweep and separation that EVERY elite BBer(except him) possesses. and his calves were too big for his quads/hams. So much for perfect balance.

His chest was weak, as were his bi's(later bi) . so much for perfect balance

He was the first bber i ever saw that I said "why is is stomach so big?" so much for perfect balance.

He was all back and calves, every other bodypart he had lagged way behind. so much for perfect balance

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #322 on: November 22, 2007, 06:16:25 PM »

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #323 on: November 22, 2007, 06:24:33 PM »
Haha. Im too random to be ND.

I post in the religious section and placed 3rd in the Mr. Getbig. I'm not Hulkster.

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Re: Dorian -three weeks out: 1993
« Reply #324 on: November 22, 2007, 06:34:27 PM »
"bone dry and rock hard"  ::)





so very true.

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