Dorian -three weeks out: 1993

[bizzy]

1st pic... Back double biceps and calves for Dorian.
2nd shot is for Ronnie's BDB, although not the best shot
on the DVD. (It's a little blurry and doesn't show the striations
in the triceps like other shots on the DVD.
3rd shot is strictly put here to show calves.

[England_1]

3rd shot is strictly put here to show calves twigs.

Corrected.

[bizzy]

Both Yates and Coleman look very lean, seperated
and striated and if Coleman is carrying more intramuscular fat,
I can't honestly see in any of these pictures where it would be.

England, I even put Coleman's weakest shot last in this batch of pictures
which shows I'm trying to be fair in this evaluation. Those calves you call twigs
are in the same league as most of his competitors. Dorian was in a completely
different league when it came to calves against almost anyone.   

[Farkenell]

Everyone keeps posting altered photos of Coleman and normal photos of Dorian.

How bout everyone post some that are untouched. Yes, Hulkster Im talking to you aswell.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, the pic you posted only shows good separation in the vastus medialis and sartorius muscles.

Ronnie's thighs have Dorian's beat in muscular bulk, separations, striations, and shape. This more than makes up for a lack of balance in his legs.

You're just being contrary seriously the only advantage Ronnie shows in terms of separation is the rectus femoris  and he lags behind in tensor fasciae late & satorius

Ronnie's quads have Dorian's beat in muscular bulk? 2001 ASC compared to a 269 pound Dorian doubtful , 2003 absolutely , separartions in the rectus femoris sure , striations ? where are these striations? I haven't seen striations in Ronnie's quads since 1996 an shape? says who you?  and that does NOT make up for his lack of balanced legs you think having really great quads can compensate for having injected calves? that lack the classic diamond shape , lack proportionate size devoid of any separation & development of the gastrocmenous inner & outer heads , you got another thing coming kid

to use your analogy Dorian's outstanding balance & proportion in his lags and world class calves more than make up for any advantage Coleman may have in rectus femoris development 

[NarcissisticDeity]

what rubbish! Symmetry refers to left, right, top and bottom balance. Nowhere does it mention having a trim waist and small joints. That's something you just made up to support your argument. A bodybuilder can have a wide waist and still be as symmetrical as a another with a smaller waist if his shoulder-to-waist ratio is the same.

Fuck me you're borderline retarded I'm telling you what symmetry is you're not telling me Flex Wheeler is known as the " Sultan of Symmetry " you think he has a balanced physique? now I'm going to crush your fucking stupidity even further , telling me I just made shit up to support my argument 


Symmetry - The shape or general outline of a person's body, as when seen in silhouette. If you have good sym-metry, you will have relatively wide shoulders, flaring lats, a small waist-hip structure, and generally small joints.

wow don't you look fucking stupid right now  now lets see I corrected you on what balance & proportion is , I corrected you on what density & conditioning are and I have corrected you on what symmetry is , wow looks like I taught you a lot about what bodybuilding is and keep typing your ignorant opinions and I'll teach you some more

Now here is an IFBB judge commenting on Dorian's advantages in symmetry

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .

[Hypo]

This thread needs to be merged...

Oh, and ND is right.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie at 287 lbs (almost 20 lbs heavier) and shredded to the bone. Unrivaled combo of mass, definition, and symmetry.

Shredded to the bone my ass ! see 2001 Arnold Classic for shredded to the bone , definition again see 2001 Arnold Classic and symmetry LMFAO his ' symmetry ' is at its all time worse , his balance & proportion are maxed out for his physique

Wayne Demilla " I've said to Ronnie , " What you've got to realize is that in 98-99 you were probably in the best proportion you could be for your frame . Those muscles have gotten bigger. Just cos you're bigger , doesn't make you better . "

Stating the obvious you'd know this if you knew anything about bodybuilding but hero worship prevents you from being objective .

[NarcissisticDeity]

First of all, thanks for taking the time to answer my question.
Let's take some pics with Ronnie and Dorian @ their debatable respective bests 93-99
and compare. I'm trying to use good pictures of both with good lighting
on most of the shots. Dorian is more dense by your definition because he has less intramuscular fat
than Ronnie in 1999. The Muscular Development Compulsory Round is judged by 3 different
criteria:
    * DENSITY is the depth and fullness of the muscle bellies.
    * SEPARATION is the delineation between the muscle groups.
    * DEFINITION is the absence of fat making the muscles clearly visible through the skin surface.
Let's assume Dorian is more dense than Ronnie. That is 1/3 of the muscular development judging.
Does Yates have more separation or definition than Coleman?
I'll post the pics and let the people decide...
This first pic is standing relaxed and there are many of Dorian that are
very unflattering. I took the very best one and lightened it because it was
very dark and you really couldn't see how great he looked in it.     

You may want to keep in mind all rounds are physique rounds .

[NarcissisticDeity]

This thread needs to be merged...

Oh, and ND is right.

Thank you ! 

[Hulkster]

great comparisons Bizzy.

dorian is getting destroyed as usual.

and its not because the pics were 'altered'..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

great comparisons Bizzy.

dorian is getting destroyed as usual.

and its not because the pics were 'altered'..

 

Oh yeah because its not unlike you to use photoshopped pics

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sorry Hulkster Little Ronnie can't compete with this 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Bev Francis : Bodybuilder's phsyique you most admire ?

The man Dorian Yates , his combonation of size and shape makes for an awesome physique , unlike a lot of big guys he's not a load of massive parts just thrown together , His symmetry is almost perfect , Everything is in proportion , no weak bodyparts .

NO truer words have been spoken and notice the Ronnie reference lol load of parts

[NarcissisticDeity]

    

[Hulkster]

Oh yeah because its not unlike you to use photoshopped pics

these comparisons have been posted many times before untouched.

right from the get go with forcedreps you refused to acknowledge them (and he owned your asses royally in a memorable set of posts) because of Ronnie's sheer dominance, and I see times have not changed..

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

these comparisons have been posted many times before untouched.

right from the get go with forcedreps you refused to acknowledge them (and he owned your asses royally in a memorable set of posts) because of Ronnie's sheer dominance, and I see times have not changed..

 

He didn't own jack I'm talking about the photoshopped pics YOU'VE been posting lol I noticed you don't post them anymore lol because you were crushed under the weight of your own stupidity  then you resorted to tampering with the quality of the Yates pics lol more acts of desperation and of lets not forget the made up quotes lol

keep using photoshopped pics I don't care Yates crushed anything you've yet to come up with Ronnie's load of massive parts can't touch Dorian and never could

[England_1]

5'10" 269lbs of the most conditioned muscle ever seen.

The sport has not progressed one ounce since Yates on that fateful day 3 weeks prior to the 1993 Mr. Olympia 

[Hulkster]

He didn't own jack I'm talking about the photoshopped pics YOU'VE been posting lol I noticed you don't post them anymore lol because you were crushed under the weight of your own stupidity  then you resorted to tampering with the quality of the Yates pics lol more acts of desperation and of lets not forget the made up quotes lol

keep using photoshopped pics I don't care Yates crushed anything you've yet to come up with Ronnie's load of massive parts can't touch Dorian and never could

I have not touched, altered or photoshopped a SINGLE pic of dorian OR Ronnie.

if others have and I saved them to my computer, well, I would love to know which ones they are.

I just save existing pics that are either found online or posted by others.

you can make up all the conspiracy theories and excuses you want, it changes nothing.

the dorian ronnie wars ended on page 487 of the truce thread when the first set of Ronnie 99 and dorian 93 screencaps and videos were posted.

since then, all you have been doing is trying to find ways to undo that overwhelming dominance of ronnie over dorian.

and you and two others are the only people that think that it worked..

everyone else is not that stupid..

[NarcissisticDeity]

5'10" 269lbs of the most conditioned muscle ever seen.

The sport has not progressed one ounce since Yates on that fateful day 3 weeks prior to the 1993 Mr. Olympia 

I mean has it? who has come close to this combo?

I mean Dorian would do a latspread in front of Ronnie and he would disappear you would be like " Where did Ronnie go? "

[Hulkster]

LOL

ND keeps posting the same four pics of dorian as if they were impressive compared to Ronnie.

I guess when you don't know what you are doing, you might think that they are..
 

look at this dominace:

way better shape, way better detail, way better everything:

 

[England_1]

That back of Dorian is un-fucking-believable!

[NarcissisticDeity]

I have not touched, altered or photoshopped a SINGLE pic of dorian OR Ronnie.

if others have and I saved them to my computer, well, I would love to know which ones they are.

I just save existing pics that are either found online or posted by others.

you can make up all the conspiracy theories and excuses you want, it changes nothing.

the dorian ronnie wars ended on page 487 of the truce thread when the first set of Ronnie 99 and dorian 93 screencaps and videos were posted.

since then, all you have been doing is trying to find ways to undo that overwhelming dominance of ronnie over dorian.

and you and two others are the only people that think that it worked..

everyone else is not that stupid..

No but you have KNOWINGLY used photoshopped pics as some sort of half-baked proof Ronnie is better , and and ontop of knowingly posting worked pics you made up quotes too lol

and give me a break about the 99 screencaps serious , pictures from 99 Olympia were posted well before that and you didn't hoot and holla about them and now the tables are turned on you Dorian's 1993 shape at 269 pounds crushes ANY screencap , any photoshopped pic any excuse you can come up with

Dorian at 269 pounds has way to many advantages for little Ronnie to compare with , no weaknesses , no flaws , almost perfect balance & proportion , insane density & conditioning , great technical poser

[NarcissisticDeity]

LOL

ND keeps posting the same four pics of dorian as if they were impressive compared to Ronnie.

I guess when you don't know what you are doing, you might think that they are..
 

look at this dominace:

way better shape, way better detail, way better everything:

 

Ha Ha Ha meltdown

Yates untanned , no posing oil no contest lighting , Ronnie studio shots with professional lighting in contest ready conditioning lol and Dorian still has better balance & proportion is still bigger is still better conditioned

Sorry slick little Ronnie can't hang 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Look at this combo of size , shape , balance and dense granite conditioning , Little Ronnie's collection of parts can't match this no one could , now imagine this tanned , posing oil , contest ready lighting next to little Ronnie lol Ronnie would look like a child next to this , look at the striated pecs , the striations on the delts you can even see his sharply defined abdominals his arms are massive this shot is flawless